Win7 support:

*******

Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far,
to see if a Win10 one is there ?

*******

If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put
it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be
at least 8GB or so in size.

Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key.

https://rufus.ie/

Grab the portable version:

"Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe

Once you execute that, the setup will look like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif

Paul

I haven't examined my collection of DVD's especially
since you say it would take the Patriot so it wouldn't
fit on a DVD would it?

I don't believe we need the Macrium anymore since we
created the Rescue disk for the 8500 and the 780 so
I don't know why I would need it at this point.

From your Rufus link you gave it appear that the file
is on the 8500 under downloads last page on the bottom.
So all I need to do is put that on the Patriot using Rufus?

Is that correct?

Robert


Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
*******

Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far,
to see if a Win10 one is there ?

*******

If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put
it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be
at least 8GB or so in size.

Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key.

https://rufus.ie/

Grab the portable version:

"Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe

Once you execute that, the setup will look like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif

Paul

I haven't examined my collection of DVD's especially
since you say it would take the Patriot so it wouldn't
fit on a DVD would it?

I don't believe we need the Macrium anymore since we
created the Rescue disk for the 8500 and the 780 so
I don't know why I would need it at this point.

From your Rufus link you gave it appear that the file
is on the 8500 under downloads last page on the bottom.
So all I need to do is put that on the Patriot using Rufus?

Is that correct?

Robert

OK, your picture shows two copies of MediaCreationTool1903.exe
that you got around July 4 or so.

In addition, you have two Windows ISO files, also collected
around July4 or 5.

But the weird part is, the ISO files are

Win10_1809Oct_English_x32.iso
Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso

which is one older release number than the "1903" of
the MediaCreationTool.

That doesn't hurt anything. You can still stick the 1809
on the Patriot. It's all Windows 10.

*******

Rufus is a "converter". You keep the Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso
right where it is now. Start Rufus up, and there is a Select button
to Select the ISO to be used.

Rufus copies the files off the ISO and puts them on the USB stick
for you. The top dialog box identifies the destination, which
is the USB stick.

So you don't "put the ISO underneath Rufus" as such. Rufus
just moves the contents of the ISO image, onto the Patriot.

I found the process to be a little on the slow side, as my
USB3 stick for the test is normally pretty fast. Some of the
copying went quickly, but the process also stalled a couple
of times.

Still, when I was finished with my test, the USB3 stick booted
properly.

Paul

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 6:38:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
*******

Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far,
to see if a Win10 one is there ?

*******

If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put
it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be
at least 8GB or so in size.

Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key.

https://rufus.ie/

Grab the portable version:

"Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe

Once you execute that, the setup will look like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif

Paul

I haven't examined my collection of DVD's especially
since you say it would take the Patriot so it wouldn't
fit on a DVD would it?

I don't believe we need the Macrium anymore since we
created the Rescue disk for the 8500 and the 780 so
I don't know why I would need it at this point.

From your Rufus link you gave it appear that the file
is on the 8500 under downloads last page on the bottom.
So all I need to do is put that on the Patriot using Rufus?

Is that correct?

Robert

OK, your picture shows two copies of MediaCreationTool1903.exe
that you got around July 4 or so.

In addition, you have two Windows ISO files, also collected
around July4 or 5.

But the weird part is, the ISO files are

Win10_1809Oct_English_x32.iso
Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso

which is one older release number than the "1903" of
the MediaCreationTool.

That doesn't hurt anything. You can still stick the 1809
on the Patriot. It's all Windows 10.
...



Before I put anything on the Patriot I went
back and checked my disks as you suggested
and had one that said media creation tool:

https://postimg.cc/bSj91tpN

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 6:38:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
*******

Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far,
to see if a Win10 one is there ?

*******

If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put
it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be
at least 8GB or so in size.

Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key.

https://rufus.ie/

Grab the portable version:

"Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe

Once you execute that, the setup will look like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif

Paul
I haven't examined my collection of DVD's especially
since you say it would take the Patriot so it wouldn't
fit on a DVD would it?

I don't believe we need the Macrium anymore since we
created the Rescue disk for the 8500 and the 780 so
I don't know why I would need it at this point.

From your Rufus link you gave it appear that the file
is on the 8500 under downloads last page on the bottom.
So all I need to do is put that on the Patriot using Rufus?

Is that correct?

Robert
OK, your picture shows two copies of MediaCreationTool1903.exe
that you got around July 4 or so.

In addition, you have two Windows ISO files, also collected
around July4 or 5.

But the weird part is, the ISO files are

Win10_1809Oct_English_x32.iso
Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso

which is one older release number than the "1903" of
the MediaCreationTool.

That doesn't hurt anything. You can still stick the 1809
on the Patriot. It's all Windows 10.
...

Before I put anything on the Patriot I went
back and checked my disks as you suggested
and had one that said media creation tool:

https://postimg.cc/bSj91tpN

Robert

Judging by the date and the volume name, that could be a Windows 10.

Assume we put the DVD in the tray. Say that D: is your
DVD drive with the disc in it. From an Administrator
Command Prompt, in Windows 7, you could do...

http://www.waynezim.com/2012/10/how-...dows-iso-file/

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 6.1.7600.16385 == 7600 is Win7

Details for image : J:\sources\install.wim

Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 Pro
Description : Windows 10 Pro
Size : 14,275,465,030 bytes
Architecture : x64
Hal : undefined
Version : 10.0.18362 == Version 1903 Win10 (OK)
ServicePack Build : 30
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Professional == Vary the Index number, get a different version
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 18867
Files : 88688
Created : 4/1/2019 - 7:11:29 PM
Modified : 5/26/2019 - 12:58:24 PM
Languages :
en-US (Default)

The operation completed successfully.

*******

So that's how you determine what is on the DVD,
based on the initial knowledge that the "style" of
the DVD indicates it's a modern Vista+ installer
disc. That would not work on a Macrium CD, because
a Macrium CD doesn't have "sources\install.wim"

Note that, your disc is different. It has the
file as "sources\install.esd", in which case

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

just might work :-)

Paul

Judging by the date and the volume name, that could be a Windows 10.

Assume we put the DVD in the tray. Say that D: is your
DVD drive with the disc in it. From an Administrator
Command Prompt, in Windows 7, you could do...

http://www.waynezim.com/2012/10/how-...dows-iso-file/

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 6.1.7600.16385 == 7600 is Win7

Details for image : J:\sources\install.wim

Index : 1
Name : Windows 10 Pro
Description : Windows 10 Pro
Size : 14,275,465,030 bytes
Architecture : x64
Hal : undefined
Version : 10.0.18362 == Version 1903 Win10 (OK)
ServicePack Build : 30
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Professional == Vary the Index number, get a different version
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 18867
Files : 88688
Created : 4/1/2019 - 7:11:29 PM
Modified : 5/26/2019 - 12:58:24 PM
Languages :
en-US (Default)

The operation completed successfully.

*******

So that's how you determine what is on the DVD,
based on the initial knowledge that the "style" of
the DVD indicates it's a modern Vista+ installer
disc. That would not work on a Macrium CD, because
a Macrium CD doesn't have "sources\install.wim"

Note that, your disc is different. It has the
file as "sources\install.esd", in which case

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

just might work :-)

Paul


So I need to have a Win 7 HD to do this?
I suppose I could use my backup Win7 HD
for the 8500 and then buy another HD next
month and clone the Win 7 HD in the 8500
again.

So remove the current 8500 HD and replace
it with the backup 8500 Win 7 HD and then
try running the program off the disk to
create a Win 10 HD? Is that correct?

Robert

Judging by the date and the volume name, that could be a Windows 10.

Assume we put the DVD in the tray. Say that D: is your
DVD drive with the disc in it. From an Administrator
Command Prompt, in Windows 7, you could do...

http://www.waynezim.com/2012/10/how-...dows-iso-file/

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 6.1.7600.16385 ...


I re-read your post,... If I slide the disc into the
8500 and go to the cmd prompt as administrator and put
in

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

will that affect or change anything on the 8500? Remember
what happened when we un-ticked the Win7. I just don't
want to do anything that is going to cause problems for
the sake of Win 10.

If it's OK, then I will proceed to put the disk in
and enter the command.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
Judging by the date and the volume name, that could be a Windows 10.

Assume we put the DVD in the tray. Say that D: is your
DVD drive with the disc in it. From an Administrator
Command Prompt, in Windows 7, you could do...

http://www.waynezim.com/2012/10/how-...dows-iso-file/

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 6.1.7600.16385 ...


I re-read your post,... If I slide the disc into the
8500 and go to the cmd prompt as administrator and put
in

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

will that affect or change anything on the 8500? Remember
what happened when we un-ticked the Win7. I just don't
want to do anything that is going to cause problems for
the sake of Win 10.

If it's OK, then I will proceed to put the disk in
and enter the command.

Robert

Yes, just use the 8500. I was illustrating that the
command works on a Windows 7 machine.

Unless your machine has autorun enabled, the disc
really should not do anything. When the dialog pops
up that asks "what to do with this disc", select
the "Do nothing" option.

Then you can open the Admin Command Prompt and use
the DISM command.

When you insert the DVD in the tray, you can hold
down the Shift key, before closing the tray. Then,
when the DVD is discovered, that selects "Do Nothing"
with no extra fuss. That should take some of the
anxiety out of the process.

Paul

Yes, just use the 8500. I was illustrating that the
command works on a Windows 7 machine....

I tried the command but it didn't work:

https://postimg.cc/ppCsJ3zK

Robert

On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:58:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes, just use the 8500. I was illustrating that the
command works on a Windows 7 machine....

I tried the command but it didn't work:

https://postimg.cc/ppCsJ3zK

Robert

p.s. btw it did give me two options when
I loaded the disk to .exe or to see what's
on the disk. So it has a executable function.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:58:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
Yes, just use the 8500. I was illustrating that the
command works on a Windows 7 machine....
I tried the command but it didn't work:

https://postimg.cc/ppCsJ3zK

Robert

p.s. btw it did give me two options when
I loaded the disk to .exe or to see what's
on the disk. So it has a executable function.

Robert

In my post, there were two commands.

I considered the possibility the disc could have

sources\install.win
sources\install.esd

and there are two commands in the posting, one for a
..wim disc and one for a .esd disc. I think your disc
could be .esd , at least the 1903 one, as the .esd
happens to fit on single-layer media while the .wim
version does not.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1
dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

The D:\ assumes that is your optical drive. If the drive
letter is something different, substitute the correct drive
letter into the command.

The discs have multiple index values. Windows Home might
be index 1. Windows Pro might be index 2. If you can get
the command to work with index 1, you can then try index 2
for fun. I think Windows Pro is "typically" around
index 4 or so. Just as a guess. All we really wanted
was the "version number" of the disc, to prove it was
1903, which would save you having to do additional downloads.

Paul

I considered the possibility the disc could have

sources\install.win
sources\install.esd

and there are two commands in the posting, one for a
.wim disc and one for a .esd disc. I think your disc
could be .esd , at least the 1903 one, as the .esd
happens to fit on single-layer media while the .wim
version does not.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1
dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

The D:\ assumes that is your optical drive. If the drive
letter is something different, substitute the correct drive
letter into the command.

The discs have multiple index values. Windows Home might
be index 1. Windows Pro might be index 2. If you can get
the command to work with index 1, you can then try index 2
for fun. I think Windows Pro is "typically" around
index 4 or so. Just as a guess. All we really wanted
was the "version number" of the disc, to prove it was
1903, which would save you having to do additional downloads.

Paul


I tried it again with the same results:

https://postimg.cc/5jXrZZR1

https://postimg.cc/yJffGPhk

https://postimg.cc/1fxvb4Fc

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

https://postimg.cc/p91ZCdxj

https://postimg.cc/RWgQC0WY

https://postimg.cc/p5QzwVNq

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
I considered the possibility the disc could have

sources\install.win
sources\install.esd

and there are two commands in the posting, one for a
.wim disc and one for a .esd disc. I think your disc
could be .esd , at least the 1903 one, as the .esd
happens to fit on single-layer media while the .wim
version does not.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1
dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

The D:\ assumes that is your optical drive. If the drive
letter is something different, substitute the correct drive
letter into the command.

The discs have multiple index values. Windows Home might
be index 1. Windows Pro might be index 2. If you can get
the command to work with index 1, you can then try index 2
for fun. I think Windows Pro is "typically" around
index 4 or so. Just as a guess. All we really wanted
was the "version number" of the disc, to prove it was
1903, which would save you having to do additional downloads.

Paul


I tried it again with the same results:

https://postimg.cc/5jXrZZR1

https://postimg.cc/yJffGPhk

https://postimg.cc/1fxvb4Fc

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

https://postimg.cc/p91ZCdxj

https://postimg.cc/RWgQC0WY

https://postimg.cc/p5QzwVNq

Robert

OK, so this one gave you a *different* error.

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

Error 11 "An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect format"

I reproduced that here. I get the same result. Grrr.

And really, this takes all the fun out of it. Torturing
you with 7ZIP is never going to work - I'd hoped this method
would be easier. Thanks, Microsoft.

The reason I was expecting this to work, is I
got the impression the ESD in this case, wasn't
encrypted.

*******

OK, I give up :-)

Let's do it by size.

While your DVD is in the tray, navigate to the
sources folder. This is what I used to test.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

It's a cheesy way to ID it, but it avoids a lot of unnecessary
crappy methods to get an answer. I don't think anyone
wants to download a WADK kit to do this... Compare
the size listed here, to the one I got. Should be pretty
close (within a few bytes). No two ESD files are exactly
the same, and I cannot begin to estimate the possible
size differences for you. The ones so created, likely
have different date stamps inside. Which could change
the length of the file (as well as the checksum).

3,346,473,984 bytes for the x64 Win10 Mediacreation install.ESD file.

https://i.postimg.cc/d11s8jsY/1903-M...eation-x64.gif

Paul

I tried it again with the same results:

https://postimg.cc/5jXrZZR1

https://postimg.cc/yJffGPhk

https://postimg.cc/1fxvb4Fc

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

https://postimg.cc/p91ZCdxj

https://postimg.cc/RWgQC0WY

https://postimg.cc/p5QzwVNq

Robert



It seems were back to the file on the 8500
and transferring it to the Patriot via Rufus
and then use that to boot the 8500 and install
Win 10 on a Win 7 HD.

or should I try the disc first?

I guess I can use my backup Win7 HD for the
8500 for this and then create a new backup
Win 7 HD next month.

Thoughts/suggestions

Robert

Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I considered the possibility the disc could have

sources\install.win
sources\install.esd

and there are two commands in the posting, one for a
.wim disc and one for a .esd disc. I think your disc
could be .esd , at least the 1903 one, as the .esd
happens to fit on single-layer media while the .wim
version does not.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1
dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

The D:\ assumes that is your optical drive. If the drive
letter is something different, substitute the correct drive
letter into the command.

The discs have multiple index values. Windows Home might
be index 1. Windows Pro might be index 2. If you can get
the command to work with index 1, you can then try index 2
for fun. I think Windows Pro is "typically" around
index 4 or so. Just as a guess. All we really wanted
was the "version number" of the disc, to prove it was
1903, which would save you having to do additional downloads.

Paul


I tried it again with the same results:

https://postimg.cc/5jXrZZR1

https://postimg.cc/yJffGPhk

https://postimg.cc/1fxvb4Fc

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

https://postimg.cc/p91ZCdxj

https://postimg.cc/RWgQC0WY

https://postimg.cc/p5QzwVNq

Robert

OK, so this one gave you a *different* error.

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

Error 11 "An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect
format"

I reproduced that here. I get the same result. Grrr.

And really, this takes all the fun out of it. Torturing
you with 7ZIP is never going to work - I'd hoped this method
would be easier. Thanks, Microsoft.

The reason I was expecting this to work, is I
got the impression the ESD in this case, wasn't
encrypted.

*******

OK, I give up :-)

Let's do it by size.

While your DVD is in the tray, navigate to the
sources folder. This is what I used to test.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

It's a cheesy way to ID it, but it avoids a lot of unnecessary
crappy methods to get an answer. I don't think anyone
wants to download a WADK kit to do this... Compare
the size listed here, to the one I got. Should be pretty
close (within a few bytes). No two ESD files are exactly
the same, and I cannot begin to estimate the possible
size differences for you. The ones so created, likely
have different date stamps inside. Which could change
the length of the file (as well as the checksum).

3,346,473,984 bytes for the x64 Win10 Mediacreation install.ESD file.

https://i.postimg.cc/d11s8jsY/1903-M...eation-x64.gif

Paul

I found another way to do it.

https://wimlib.net/

# wimlib v1.13.1 Windows binaries (32-bit)

https://wimlib.net/downloads/wimlib-...s-i686-bin.zip

# wimlib v1.13.1 Windows binaries (64-bit) === useful for your machines

https://wimlib.net/downloads/wimlib-...x86_64-bin.zip

Inside the file, you will find

wimlib-15.dll
wimlib-imagex.exe

You can copy those out of the ZIP download, to your downloads folder.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

wimlib-imagex info D:\sources\install.esd

It seems to handle ESD or WIM files better than Win7 DISM.

The 32 bit version even ran on WinXP :-)

It says the release on my test ISO is 18362 (which is 1903 Win10).

Paul

On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I considered the possibility the disc could have

sources\install.win
sources\install.esd

and there are two commands in the posting, one for a
.wim disc and one for a .esd disc. I think your disc
could be .esd , at least the 1903 one, as the .esd
happens to fit on single-layer media while the .wim
version does not.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1
dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.esd /index:1

The D:\ assumes that is your optical drive. If the drive
letter is something different, substitute the correct drive
letter into the command.

The discs have multiple index values. Windows Home might
be index 1. Windows Pro might be index 2. If you can get
the command to work with index 1, you can then try index 2
for fun. I think Windows Pro is "typically" around
index 4 or so. Just as a guess. All we really wanted
was the "version number" of the disc, to prove it was
1903, which would save you having to do additional downloads.

Paul


I tried it again with the same results:

https://postimg.cc/5jXrZZR1

https://postimg.cc/yJffGPhk

https://postimg.cc/1fxvb4Fc

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

https://postimg.cc/p91ZCdxj

https://postimg.cc/RWgQC0WY

https://postimg.cc/p5QzwVNq

Robert

OK, so this one gave you a *different* error.

https://postimg.cc/SnkDN5Dn

Error 11 "An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect
format"

I reproduced that here. I get the same result. Grrr.

And really, this takes all the fun out of it. Torturing
you with 7ZIP is never going to work - I'd hoped this method
would be easier. Thanks, Microsoft.

The reason I was expecting this to work, is I
got the impression the ESD in this case, wasn't
encrypted.

*******

OK, I give up :-)

Let's do it by size.

While your DVD is in the tray, navigate to the
sources folder. This is what I used to test.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

It's a cheesy way to ID it, but it avoids a lot of unnecessary
crappy methods to get an answer. I don't think anyone
wants to download a WADK kit to do this... Compare
the size listed here, to the one I got. Should be pretty
close (within a few bytes). No two ESD files are exactly
the same, and I cannot begin to estimate the possible
size differences for you. The ones so created, likely
have different date stamps inside. Which could change
the length of the file (as well as the checksum).

3,346,473,984 bytes for the x64 Win10 Mediacreation install.ESD file.

https://i.postimg.cc/d11s8jsY/1903-M...eation-x64.gif

Paul

I found another way to do it.

https://wimlib.net/

# wimlib v1.13.1 Windows binaries (32-bit)

https://wimlib.net/downloads/wimlib-...s-i686-bin.zip

# wimlib v1.13.1 Windows binaries (64-bit) === useful for your machines

https://wimlib.net/downloads/wimlib-...x86_64-bin.zip

Inside the file, you will find

wimlib-15.dll
wimlib-imagex.exe

You can copy those out of the ZIP download, to your downloads folder.

cd %userprofile%\Downloads

wimlib-imagex info D:\sources\install.esd

It seems to handle ESD or WIM files better than Win7 DISM.

The 32 bit version even ran on WinXP :-)

It says the release on my test ISO is 18362 (which is 1903 Win10).

Paul



I'm trying to follow along but your
screens are different than mine? I'm
not exactly sure what were doing?

I tried downloading and installing
the 64bit version and got this screen
but I didn't know what I was looking
at or suppose to do so closed it.

https://postimg.cc/nC9R3VrB

Robert