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  #46  
Old October 9th 18, 08:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-10-09 12:20, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.

That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls

caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.

On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.


then you have an unusual landline phone.


Just a cordless phone (one base, three handsets) with contact list facility.


Can you please stop this being-sensible nonsense!?

If 'we' want square wheels that's up to us and because 'we' want them,
you must use them too! Capice!?

Sheesh! Next thing you'll want to use standard Android folders instead
of Arlen-invented ones!
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  #47  
Old October 9th 18, 09:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-10-09 14:25, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

'800 service' is generic and suggests spam, but isn't always.

That sounds like a junk call, like "TOLL FREE CALL". Do you have any
idea why phones won't block calls by "NAME"? It would help a lot with
these junk calls

caller id only sends the number.

the name is obtained by a cnam lookup by the destination central office
and only for landlines. if there is no name info in the database for
the number, it will show something generic. it can also be wrong.

On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.

then you have an unusual landline phone.

Just a cordless phone (one base, three handsets) with contact list
facility.


in other words, not a normal phone.


All cordless phones available here have this facility. Can't recall when
they didn't, must be a decade or two by now.


And they don't have to be cordless either.

and if the name isn't in the contacts list, which a spammer would not,
then it shows the cnam dip.


Well, of course.


We don't do dips and surely no CNAM dips!
  #48  
Old October 10th 18, 02:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 10/09/2018 10:18 AM, nospam wrote:

[snip]
you can wildcard it by blocking entire area codes or exchanges.


You might have noticed I was talking about the name, not the number.

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  #49  
Old October 10th 18, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 10/09/2018 11:20 AM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

On both our cell and landline phones, if the cell number is in your
phone's contact list, Caller ID will use that.


then you have an unusual landline phone.



Mine do that. Of course that won't help with the scanners, since I don't
put that stuff in my contact list.

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  #50  
Old October 10th 18, 02:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

you can wildcard it by blocking entire area codes or exchanges.


You might have noticed I was talking about the name, not the number.


as i said, the name isn't guaranteed. if you want to block a region,
you need to do it by area code or exchange or even a smaller block.
  #51  
Old October 10th 18, 02:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 10/09/2018 08:28 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

you can wildcard it by blocking entire area codes or exchanges.


You might have noticed I was talking about the name, not the number.


as i said, the name isn't guaranteed. if you want to block a region,
you need to do it by area code or exchange or even a smaller block.


Nothing is really guaranteed. So far, the caller ID name field had been
a more reliable way to identify scammers than anything you can do with
the number.

"blocking areas" as you stated doesn't work with the numerous VOIP
services that give out numbers for different areas, and with CID
spoofing. A number that used to indicate the Phoenix AZ area now could
come from anywhere.

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  #52  
Old October 10th 18, 03:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
nospam
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


you can wildcard it by blocking entire area codes or exchanges.

You might have noticed I was talking about the name, not the number.


as i said, the name isn't guaranteed. if you want to block a region,
you need to do it by area code or exchange or even a smaller block.


Nothing is really guaranteed. So far, the caller ID name field had been
a more reliable way to identify scammers than anything you can do with
the number. "blocking areas" as you stated doesn't work with the numerous VOIP
services that give out numbers for different areas, and with CID
spoofing. A number that used to indicate the Phoenix AZ area now could
come from anywhere.


voip or clid spoofing doesn't change anything. mobile phones can be
used anywhere and numbers can be ported. the physical location of the
caller can be anywhere.
  #53  
Old October 10th 18, 05:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/10/2018 7:56 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd


with CID spoofing. A number that used to indicate the Phoenix AZ
area now could come from anywhere.


voip or clid spoofing doesn't change anything.


Current spoofing tactics have changed things for me.

With the physical blocker:

Most of my spam calls USED TO come from specific OUTSIDE area codes and
since I didn't expect calls from any of them, blocking the whole area
code worked. Now many of my spam calls are munged to MY AREA CODE and
obviously blocking my own area code won't fly. And blocking individual
numbers as they come in is pretty useless since they continuously change
numbers.

Update on the online blocker NoMoRoBo:

In the one day I've had it I've had 2 spam calls. They both rang the
phone once and quit. The CID said one was from a local area code
and the other not. Score = %100. So far...


  #54  
Old October 10th 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-10-10, 123456789 wrote:
Most of my spam calls USED TO come from specific OUTSIDE area codes and
since I didn't expect calls from any of them, blocking the whole area
code worked. Now many of my spam calls are munged to MY AREA CODE and
obviously blocking my own area code won't fly. And blocking individual
numbers as they come in is pretty useless since they continuously change
numbers.


I've found that most of the spam callers are spoofing their phone number
to be not only from the same area code but the same exchange as ours.
So if we get a call from the local exchange and it's a number that we do
not otherwise recognize we just let the answering machine pick it up.
(Unless I have time to have a little fun with the scammers.)

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Old October 10th 18, 11:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/10/2018 2:18 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-10-10, 123456789 wrote:


I've found that most of the spam callers are spoofing their phone
number to be not only from the same area code but the same exchange
as ours.


I've read that some spoof your own number just to get you to pick up

So if we get a call from the local exchange and it's a number that we
do not otherwise recognize we just let the answering machine pick it
up.


If you can stand those several spam rings before the answering machine
picks up that's good. It bugs the hell out of me...

(Unless I have time to have a little fun with the scammers.)


I've never thought it wise to **** off any anonymous caller who knows my
phone number and possibly my name and address. Paybacks (swatting, false
deliveries, etc.) are relatively easy to do from most anywhere.

BTW two more one ringers today since my last report...

  #56  
Old October 11th 18, 01:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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On 2018-10-10, 123456789 wrote:
I've never thought it wise to **** off any anonymous caller who knows my
phone number and possibly my name and address. Paybacks (swatting, false
deliveries, etc.) are relatively easy to do from most anywhere.


I **** them off all the time, call them stupid wogs sitting on trash
heaps, etc., taunt them saying there's not a damned thing they can do
from their ****hole country. I always love it when they lose it and
start cursing and hang up. Never had a problem.

It's hard to imagine how dumb someone would have to be to fall for their
crap. But I guess enough do to make it worth their while.

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Old October 11th 18, 02:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 10/10/2018 05:33 PM, 123456789 wrote:
On 10/10/2018 2:18 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-10-10, 123456789 wrote:


I've found that most of the spam callers are spoofing their phone
number to be not only from the same area code but the same exchange as
ours.


I've read that some spoof your own number just to get you to pick up


I haven't yet gotten one of those, of that spoofed any number I was
expecting a call from.

So if we get a call from the local exchange and it's a number that we
do not otherwise recognize we just let the answering machine pick it
up.


If you can stand those several spam rings before the answering machine
picks up that's good. It bugs the hell out of me...


IIRC, my phone does have a button to silence the ringer. That makes the
wait (to see if they leave a message) less annoying.

(Unless I have time to have a little fun with the scammers.)


I've never thought it wise to **** off any anonymous caller who knows my
phone number and possibly my name and address. Paybacks (swatting, false
deliveries, etc.) are relatively easy to do from most anywhere.


I could never do that with a scanner, although sometimes it's
interesting to listen to those on the internet.

BTW two more one ringers today since my last report...


I do sometimes get those. Since such a call doesn't have caller ID I
don't answer it.

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day).

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  #58  
Old October 11th 18, 03:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
123456789[_3_]
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On 10/10/2018 5:11 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

I **** them [spam/scam callers] off all the time, call them stupid
wogs sitting on trash heaps, etc., taunt them saying there's not a
damned thing they can do from their ****hole country.


Not all spammers/scammers are out of the country. In a large city like
mine (metro 4.5 mil) they are often local. But in the Internet age even
out of the country callers can cause you considerable problems if they
have more than your phone number.

I always love it when they lose it and start cursing and hang up.


It's kinda like flipping off someone on the freeway. Most of the time it
makes you feel better and no harm done. But once in a while...

Never had a problem.


Hope you never do.
  #59  
Old October 11th 18, 03:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 01:48:11 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 6 Oct 2018 18:44:13 -0400, Keith
Nuttle wrote:

On 10/6/2018 4:00 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Got a call from 888-332-9444 claiming that our license had expired and
inviting us to renew.
Did you asked which of the 100 computers you manage needs the licence
renewed? ;-)


I actually got one of them to hang up on me with that question instead
of me hanging up on them.


I've never gotten a call about a license, but I've gotten other calls
from "MS". Sometimes I ask if their mother knows what they do for
money". (I don't use the word "earn".) One guy spent more than 5
minutes with me arguing that he wasn't a thief.



You must have lots of time to waste. I just hang up on spammers and
scammers as quickly as possible.


Many people consider it service. The longer you can string them along the
less time they can spend scamming the vulnerable.

  #60  
Old October 15th 18, 07:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/8/2018 5:02 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 123456789 wrote:


I block all toll free area codes also (home phone). Trouble is it no
longer works that well. Scammers/spammers now munge my local area code
in an attempt to get me to pick up.


You might want to look into the free NoMoRoBo.


Thanks much. Just signed up.


You're welcome. Let us know what you think of it.


Reporting back. In the last 6 days I've not had one spam/scam call.
NoMoRoBo seems to work very well. Thanks again.



 




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