Is there a way to revert to 7 after 30 days has expired?

On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:55:32 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/04/2016 12:39 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:32:56 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/04/2016 12:01 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

What are you doing that frightens the updates that I never see on my
computers or anyone else I know?

Your experience is just limited. Do a google search on
Microsoft botched updates.

Here is a good place to start:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/botched+update

Yes but those articles only show the things that went wrong, it's why
people think there's a crime in very street.


You are missing the point. This is a group for assisting people with
problems, not an advocacy group. If you sweep everything under
the carpet, you are doing a disservice to those that need help.

Also, if you are in the business of helping others, you really need
to learn what can and does go wrong.

M$ had a bad history of botched updates. I do not see anything
like it in any other computer venue.

My point is if something goes wrong 1 in 10000 times, this is different to 1 in 100 times. The latter should cause you to advise people not to do it.

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A baby chewing on razor blades.

What's blue and sits in the corner?
A baby in a plastic bag.

What's green and sits in the corner?
The same baby a month later.

T wrote:
On 02/04/2016 12:39 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:32:56 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/04/2016 12:01 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

What are you doing that frightens the updates that I never see on my
computers or anyone else I know?

Your experience is just limited. Do a google search on
Microsoft botched updates.

Here is a good place to start:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/botched+update

Yes but those articles only show the things that went wrong, it's why
people think there's a crime in very street.


You are missing the point. This is a group for assisting people with
problems, not an advocacy group. If you sweep everything under
the carpet, you are doing a disservice to those that need help.

Also, if you are in the business of helping others, you really need
to learn what can and does go wrong.

M$ had a bad history of botched updates. I do not see anything
like it in any other computer venue.

Sure you do. How many Linux VMs here, no longer booted
after receiving a kernel update. And I was able to figure
out why. And I was able to determine how many months
it took them to discover the error, and for the fix
to propagate down the food chain. Total fix time
18 months...

The item in question, was mis-identification of VPC2007
as being Hyper-V, blind insistence on loading a Hyper-V
driver (and then not being willing to load any
other driver, even if it failed), and the look
of astonishment when Linux cannot boot, because
now it doesn't have any storage devices. They're
all disconnected (no driver).

So it took 18 months for someone to observe that,
and fix it. And all the kernel updates in that
epoch, are unusable.

And before that epoch, was the epoch where a
VM would start checking for VT-X asserted or
not asserted, and the boot would stop. Experiment
after experiment (Linux attempting to probe to
see if it was virtualized or not), released as
"product". Even Microsoft now, experiments on
the users, at the users expense.

*Every* environment has meltdowns. It's just
a matter of time until it happens, no matter
what the best of intentions are.

Paul

On 02/04/2016 01:37 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 02/04/2016 12:39 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:32:56 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/04/2016 12:01 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

What are you doing that frightens the updates that I never see on my
computers or anyone else I know?

Your experience is just limited. Do a google search on
Microsoft botched updates.

Here is a good place to start:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/botched+update

Yes but those articles only show the things that went wrong, it's why
people think there's a crime in very street.


You are missing the point. This is a group for assisting people with
problems, not an advocacy group. If you sweep everything under
the carpet, you are doing a disservice to those that need help.

Also, if you are in the business of helping others, you really need
to learn what can and does go wrong.

M$ had a bad history of botched updates. I do not see anything
like it in any other computer venue.

Sure you do. How many Linux VMs here, no longer booted
after receiving a kernel update. And I was able to figure
out why. And I was able to determine how many months
it took them to discover the error, and for the fix
to propagate down the food chain. Total fix time
18 months...

The item in question, was mis-identification of VPC2007
as being Hyper-V, blind insistence on loading a Hyper-V
driver (and then not being willing to load any
other driver, even if it failed), and the look
of astonishment when Linux cannot boot, because
now it doesn't have any storage devices. They're
all disconnected (no driver).

So it took 18 months for someone to observe that,
and fix it. And all the kernel updates in that
epoch, are unusable.

And before that epoch, was the epoch where a
VM would start checking for VT-X asserted or
not asserted, and the boot would stop. Experiment
after experiment (Linux attempting to probe to
see if it was virtualized or not), released as
"product". Even Microsoft now, experiments on
the users, at the users expense.

*Every* environment has meltdowns. It's just
a matter of time until it happens, no matter
what the best of intentions are.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Very true. Keeps us busy, doesn't it!

The kernel and VM issue is a virtual box thing. I have
not used virtual box for years because of what Oracle did
to it when they purchased it. (Is it me or does everything
turn to s*** that Oracle touches?)

I use Red Hat's KVM or Kernel Virtual Machine running
on Scientific Linux, which is a clone of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux. Red Hat has never had a kernel
issue with KVM by design. If I can, I stay away
from anything Oracle touches.

-T

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:16:47 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:


The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?


The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

What about someone crashing his car into his office?

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:38:58 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:16:47 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:


The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?


The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

What about someone crashing his car into his office?


Please be careful with your attributions. I wrote nothing of what you
quoted.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:10:15 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:38:58 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:16:47 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:


The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?


The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

What about someone crashing his car into his office?


Please be careful with your attributions. I wrote nothing of what you
quoted.

Liar. Here is your post in its entirety complete with headers:




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On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:


The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?


The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 11:45:04 -0000, edevils wrote:

On 03/02/2016 23:52, T wrote:

I use LUKS for encryption. It is open source and is constantly
being checked by world wide code checkers. If anything gets found,
I get updated in a few hours to a day max.

Also, criminals are lazy by definition. They go for low hanging
fruit. Even if they did break LUKS, they wouldn't know what to
do with EXT4 and XFS. The idea is to make it too much work
for them so they look else where.

They steel one of my drives, plug it in, it looks like
a raw unformatted drive. They toss it and go on to
something else.

Currently there is a scan going around my county where the
bad guys forge the sheriff department's caller ID and
tell people the to give them their credit card number to
clear up warrants against them.

Veracrypt (a Truecrypt fork) is pretty good too.
Of course there is Bitlocker for Windows pro/enterprise users, too, if
you trust MS.

Works best with that extra circuit you can plug into some motherboards that I forget the name of.

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On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:06:38 -0000, T wrote:

On 02/03/2016 10:14 PM, Paul wrote:
It depends on what you mean by "go well".
"Go well" by Microsoft standards, or
"Go well" by user standards ? There's
a difference.

"Go Well" means that the programs installed and working
prior to the upgrade still work. So by the customer's
standard.

As I remember, Kaspersky recommends removing their AV
before the upgrade and reinstalling later.

The odd one program needing a reinstall is not the end of the world.

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There are forty £100 million notes in the Bank of England.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:19:17 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:10:15 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:38:58 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:16:47 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:


The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?


The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

What about someone crashing his car into his office?


Please be careful with your attributions. I wrote nothing of what you
quoted.

Liar. Here is your post in its entirety complete with headers:


Yes. I worded my previous message poorly. I did write "The odds of
your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg" I shouldn't have said "nothing."

However, your attribution *was* wrong. It looks you attributed what T
wrote ( the last line quoted "What about someone crashing his car into
his office?") to me.

And I don't appreciate being called a liar for making a minor mistake
in what I wrote.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 00:06:12 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:19:17 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:10:15 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:38:58 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:16:47 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:01:09 -0800, T wrote:

The drive is highly encrypted. So are the backup drives
at the office. Office computer is too.

What is the odds of both my car and my office both getting
stolen at the same time?

The odds of your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg

What about someone crashing his car into his office?

Please be careful with your attributions. I wrote nothing of what you
quoted.

Liar. Here is your post in its entirety complete with headers:

Yes. I worded my previous message poorly. I did write "The odds of
your car getting stolen are much greater than the odds of
your office getting stolen. vbg" I shouldn't have said "nothing."

Which is what I responded to. I was asking what the odds were of his car crashing into his office.

However, your attribution *was* wrong. It looks you attributed what T
wrote ( the last line quoted "What about someone crashing his car into
his office?") to me.

What are you talking about? I quoted in the normal manner - one indent per person, with the "x wrote" at the top. I responded to what you wrote and asked what the odds were of something else.

And I don't appreciate being called a liar for making a minor mistake
in what I wrote.

You made a false accusation of me, you started it with the rudeness. I did not misquote at all. My newsreader quoted perfectly.

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Because he irritates bush!