Is there a way to revert to 7 after 30 days has expired?

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:53:56 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/31/2016 04:23 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

And consider a full wipe and reinstall to 10.

What?

It is always a good thing to remove all the sins of the past and start
over fresh when dealing with Windows


I strongly disagree. I recommend doing an upgrade whenever possible.
It's much easier than a clean installation.

A clean installation leaves you with all the work and all the
problems. You have to restore all your data backups, you have to
reinstall all your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and
application updates, you have to locate and install all the needed
drivers for your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your
apps to work the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:25:16 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).



There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:12:28 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:53:56 -0800, T wrote:

On 01/31/2016 04:23 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:

And consider a full wipe and reinstall to 10.

What?

It is always a good thing to remove all the sins of the past and start
over fresh when dealing with Windows


I strongly disagree. I recommend doing an upgrade whenever possible.
It's much easier than a clean installation.

A clean installation leaves you with all the work and all the
problems. You have to restore all your data backups, you have to
reinstall all your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and
application updates, you have to locate and install all the needed
drivers for your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your
apps to work the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?

Agreed, surprisingly. Most people seem to be claim to reinstall in a couple of hours. I say they must have very plain and dull computers.

--
Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:14:07 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:25:16 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).

There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?

--
If the Internet is a superhighway, then AOL must be a fleet of farm equipment that straddles five lanes and pays no heed to "Keep Right Except to Pass" signs.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:24:22 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:14:07 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:25:16 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).

There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?



No, not at all. They're usually very inexpensive. I get mine for free
with the accounts I have, but if I had to pay for it, it would be
something like $15 a year.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:20:57 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:24:22 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:14:07 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:25:16 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).

There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?

No, not at all. They're usually very inexpensive. I get mine for free
with the accounts I have, but if I had to pay for it, it would be
something like $15 a year.

That's surprising, as I would have thought the insurance or risk they're taking for you losing stuff in a fire/robbery/etc would cost them way more than that. Plus of course the space you're taking up in their building.

I still wouldn't trust them to keep my data safe. Someone might peek at it.

--
****head Simon saw sexy Sheila sucking Stephen's stiff sperm sausage softly, so Simon sucked
Stuart's super sized sexrod savagely. Several sluts saw Stuart spraying spunk, soaking Sarah's
stockings severely. Sarah swiftly smacked Stuart's shaft sideways, sending Stuart's sticky spitting semen
sensationally soaring.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:20:57 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:24:22 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:14:07 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:25:16 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:00:41 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 01/31/2016 10:56 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

[snip]

My home PC is backed up to removable drives kept on the opposite side of
the house. 3TB is a bit much to store online! Anyway, secure isn't
secure unless you own the building it's in.

TWO different locations are better. Don't have both devices in the same
place.

Unfortunately I only own one house, so opposite corners is the best I can do (assuming it's less likely for all the house to burn down).

There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?

No, not at all. They're usually very inexpensive. I get mine for free
with the accounts I have, but if I had to pay for it, it would be
something like $15 a year.

How often do you change the backups? Surely the hassle of them escorting you to the vault every month would cost them more than $15 a year.

--
****head Simon saw sexy Sheila sucking Stephen's stiff sperm sausage softly, so Simon sucked
Stuart's super sized sexrod savagely. Several sluts saw Stuart spraying spunk, soaking Sarah's
stockings severely. Sarah swiftly smacked Stuart's shaft sideways, sending Stuart's sticky spitting semen
sensationally soaring.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:27:04 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
\
There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?

No, not at all. They're usually very inexpensive. I get mine for free
with the accounts I have, but if I had to pay for it, it would be
something like $15 a year.

How often do you change the backups? Surely the hassle of them escorting you to the vault every month would cost them more than $15 a year.


Actually I don't use my safe deposit box for that. I was just pointing
it out as a possibility. For some people--for example if the life of
your business depended on the data--something like that would be more
than a possibility; it would be a requirement.

But my bank is a quarter mile or so from my home, and if I wanted to
use it for that, it wouldn't be a big hassle.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:37:13 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:27:04 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
\
There are lots of choices besides your house--for example a safe
deposit box at a bank.

I'm not THAT paranoid. Don't they cost a fortune?

No, not at all. They're usually very inexpensive. I get mine for free
with the accounts I have, but if I had to pay for it, it would be
something like $15 a year.

How often do you change the backups? Surely the hassle of them escorting you to the vault every month would cost them more than $15 a year.

Actually I don't use my safe deposit box for that. I was just pointing
it out as a possibility. For some people--for example if the life of
your business depended on the data--something like that would be more
than a possibility; it would be a requirement.

I guess most use off-site servers, but yes a bank deposit box would be more secure, if a little bit more hassle. No data transmitted through wires, and the backup disk is in a much more secure place than a data centre.

But my bank is a quarter mile or so from my home, and if I wanted to
use it for that, it wouldn't be a big hassle.

I guess so, but I doubt you could do it for $15 a year with a reasonable frequency of swaps.

--
Peter is listening to "Eagles - Hotel California"

On 1/31/2016 3:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

I completely disagree. It's a lot of unnecessary work. Being diligent
throughout the year is the best way to guarantee a clean system.


You can pay someone TRUST-WORTHY to do it. Reinstalling the whole thing
is simple and clean.

--
@~@ Remain silent. Nothing from soldiers and magicians is real!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and farces be with you!
/( _ )\ (Fedora release 23) Linux 4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64
^ ^ 17:57:01 up 19:22 0 users load average: 1.11 1.07 1.05
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:43:54 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:37:13 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:27:04 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
\

How often do you change the backups? Surely the hassle of them escorting you to the vault every month would cost them more than $15 a year.

Actually I don't use my safe deposit box for that. I was just pointing
it out as a possibility. For some people--for example if the life of
your business depended on the data--something like that would be more
than a possibility; it would be a requirement.

I guess most use off-site servers, but yes a bank deposit box would be more secure, if a little bit more hassle. No data transmitted through wires, and the backup disk is in a much more secure place than a data centre.

But my bank is a quarter mile or so from my home, and if I wanted to
use it for that, it wouldn't be a big hassle.

I guess so, but I doubt you could do it for $15 a year with a reasonable frequency of swaps.



Sure I could. The bank is close enough that I could walk there, and
almost every day I drive past it. I could easily do it every day if I
wanted to.

And again, if I had a business whose life depended on my data, I
*would* want to do it every day.

On 1/30/2016 3:46 AM, T wrote:

I have a customer that waited to long to call me after
he upgraded his 7 to 10. (He claims he did not request that,
but...)
Is there any way to revert back to 7 after the 30 days
expires without wiping and reinstalling?

Is it a branded machine? It should have a recovery partition and hence a
system recovery process. Backup personal data first no matter what.

--
@~@ Remain silent. Nothing from soldiers and magicians is real!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and farces be with you!
/( _ )\ (Fedora release 23) Linux 4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64
^ ^ 17:57:01 up 19:22 0 users load average: 1.11 1.07 1.05
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 19:23:28 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

On 1/31/2016 3:17 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

I completely disagree. It's a lot of unnecessary work. Being diligent
throughout the year is the best way to guarantee a clean system.


You can pay someone TRUST-WORTHY to do it. Reinstalling the whole thing
is simple and clean.



Yes, the reinstalling is easy and you could pay some to do it. But
reinstalling is a small part of what would need to be done.

You have to restore all your data backups, you have to reinstall all
your programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and application
updates, you have to locate and install all the needed drivers for
your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work
the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like? As far as
I'm concerned, it's far from being simple and clean.

You could pay someone to do some of those things, but certainly not
all of them.

On 2/2/2016 10:59 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

You could pay someone to do some of those things, but certainly not
all of them.


Well, I do reinstall my OS and all programs periodically. And I
deliberately separate programs and data into different partitions to
make the job easier. I don't use the default Documents/Picture/Music
folders.

Alternative to paying someone that doesn't do the job right: find a good
friend to help you all the way.

--
@~@ Remain silent. Nothing from soldiers and magicians is real!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and farces be with you!
/( _ )\ (Fedora release 23) Linux 4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64
^ ^ 17:57:01 up 19:22 0 users load average: 1.11 1.07 1.05
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:54:57 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:43:54 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:37:13 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:27:04 -0000, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
\

How often do you change the backups? Surely the hassle of them escorting you to the vault every month would cost them more than $15 a year.

Actually I don't use my safe deposit box for that. I was just pointing
it out as a possibility. For some people--for example if the life of
your business depended on the data--something like that would be more
than a possibility; it would be a requirement.

I guess most use off-site servers, but yes a bank deposit box would be more secure, if a little bit more hassle. No data transmitted through wires, and the backup disk is in a much more secure place than a data centre.

But my bank is a quarter mile or so from my home, and if I wanted to
use it for that, it wouldn't be a big hassle.

I guess so, but I doubt you could do it for $15 a year with a reasonable frequency of swaps.

Sure I could. The bank is close enough that I could walk there, and
almost every day I drive past it. I could easily do it every day if I
wanted to.

And again, if I had a business whose life depended on my data, I
*would* want to do it every day.

I meant the bank wouldn't let you. If you swapped it 15 times a year, that's only $1 they get from you for every time a member of staff has to let you into the vault. And that's before the cost of that part of the room being used up.

--
Q: What's the difference between an Irish funeral and an Irish wedding?
A: One less drunk.