Win7 support:

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:26:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Understood,,, and I did play around with Win 10 for a bit
to see how it worked. I did find that everything was in
alphabetical order which I liked and I did send you the
message from Win10. So I did use it a little.

I agree that its best to be prepared to extend my support
for my OS and yes both machines. However, I'm not fully
understanding the activation Key. Once I verify I have
Win10 over Win 7 on the 8500 and then use the same HD
for the 780 how do I regain Win 10 for the 8500? How does
this work?

To my way of thinking I set up one HD with Win10 over Win 7
for the 8500 and another HD with Win 10 over Win 7 for the 780
I could use the spare 780 HD for this. So that in the event
of switching to Win 10 I will have formatted HD's ready to go.

What do you think?

I checked and I do have several Avast.exe in my downloads folder
so should I use that?

Thanks,
Robert

This early in the game, there is only one objective.

And that's to get the free Digital Entitlement.

To make a permanent install, we have to work within
your resources, and make the best usage possible of them.

You can't leave a "Daily" OS on a "Spare" drive. That's a waste.

You were supposed to check that the OS was activated on
the machine... because that is the purpose of doing this
install. To make sure the Digital Entitlement worked.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Pictu

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment..._activated.png

If there was something noteworthy about the "Spare" drive OS install,
you can always back it up. I would not bother at this point.

As an example, you could move the spare to the 780, install Win10,
and use the 780 as your "Win10 experiment center". And use the
Spare drive for a while. You could do a Win10-over-Win7 and see
whether Avast needs to be removed, see whether your programs
work OK and so on.

Even with the pile of drives I've got all over the place
here, an OS never stays on a "Spare" drive more than
a few days, before I see something shiny and erase the
OS and put something else on it :-) You don't do "real"
installs on "Spares", because you need the "Spare"
to be "Spare".

One of the problems I have here, is finding an actual
Spare that doesn't have crap on it.

Paul


Ok,, I will make sure this time around that the OS was
activated and will verify that the entitlement worked
and will take pictures.

Thanks,
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:26:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Understood,,, and I did play around with Win 10 for a bit
to see how it worked. I did find that everything was in
alphabetical order which I liked and I did send you the
message from Win10. So I did use it a little.

I agree that its best to be prepared to extend my support
for my OS and yes both machines. However, I'm not fully
understanding the activation Key. Once I verify I have
Win10 over Win 7 on the 8500 and then use the same HD
for the 780 how do I regain Win 10 for the 8500? How does
this work?

To my way of thinking I set up one HD with Win10 over Win 7
for the 8500 and another HD with Win 10 over Win 7 for the 780
I could use the spare 780 HD for this. So that in the event
of switching to Win 10 I will have formatted HD's ready to go.

What do you think?

I checked and I do have several Avast.exe in my downloads folder
so should I use that?

Thanks,
Robert
This early in the game, there is only one objective.

And that's to get the free Digital Entitlement.

To make a permanent install, we have to work within
your resources, and make the best usage possible of them.

You can't leave a "Daily" OS on a "Spare" drive. That's a waste.

You were supposed to check that the OS was activated on
the machine... because that is the purpose of doing this
install. To make sure the Digital Entitlement worked.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Pictu

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment..._activated.png

If there was something noteworthy about the "Spare" drive OS install,
you can always back it up. I would not bother at this point.

As an example, you could move the spare to the 780, install Win10,
and use the 780 as your "Win10 experiment center". And use the
Spare drive for a while. You could do a Win10-over-Win7 and see
whether Avast needs to be removed, see whether your programs
work OK and so on.

Even with the pile of drives I've got all over the place
here, an OS never stays on a "Spare" drive more than
a few days, before I see something shiny and erase the
OS and put something else on it :-) You don't do "real"
installs on "Spares", because you need the "Spare"
to be "Spare".

One of the problems I have here, is finding an actual
Spare that doesn't have crap on it.

Paul


Ok,, I will make sure this time around that the OS was
activated and will verify that the entitlement worked
and will take pictures.

Thanks,
Robert

In Windows 10

start : run : snippingtool

When the snippingtool appears, right click the icon for it
on the Task Bar, and select "Pin To TaskBar".

Then you won't have to type the command a second time.

Snippingtool can snapshot individual windows, or
it can snapshot the entire desktop. It will save
to the directory of your choice.

If you set the "time delay" before selecting the
window type, you can also record opened menus.

You don't need a camera when the OS is running.

Using file sharing, you could move the picture
to the other machine. Or, using a USB key, you
could put any pictures on the USB key.

Plenty of options.

Paul

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 12:27:33 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:26:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Understood,,, and I did play around with Win 10 for a bit
to see how it worked. I did find that everything was in
alphabetical order which I liked and I did send you the
message from Win10. So I did use it a little.

I agree that its best to be prepared to extend my support
for my OS and yes both machines. However, I'm not fully
understanding the activation Key. Once I verify I have
Win10 over Win 7 on the 8500 and then use the same HD
for the 780 how do I regain Win 10 for the 8500? How does
this work?

To my way of thinking I set up one HD with Win10 over Win 7
for the 8500 and another HD with Win 10 over Win 7 for the 780
I could use the spare 780 HD for this. So that in the event
of switching to Win 10 I will have formatted HD's ready to go.

What do you think?

I checked and I do have several Avast.exe in my downloads folder
so should I use that?

Thanks,
Robert
This early in the game, there is only one objective.

And that's to get the free Digital Entitlement.

To make a permanent install, we have to work within
your resources, and make the best usage possible of them.

You can't leave a "Daily" OS on a "Spare" drive. That's a waste.

You were supposed to check that the OS was activated on
the machine... because that is the purpose of doing this
install. To make sure the Digital Entitlement worked.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Pictu

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment..._activated.png

If there was something noteworthy about the "Spare" drive OS install,
you can always back it up. I would not bother at this point.

As an example, you could move the spare to the 780, install Win10,
and use the 780 as your "Win10 experiment center". And use the
Spare drive for a while. You could do a Win10-over-Win7 and see
whether Avast needs to be removed, see whether your programs
work OK and so on.

Even with the pile of drives I've got all over the place
here, an OS never stays on a "Spare" drive more than
a few days, before I see something shiny and erase the
OS and put something else on it :-) You don't do "real"
installs on "Spares", because you need the "Spare"
to be "Spare".

One of the problems I have here, is finding an actual
Spare that doesn't have crap on it.

Paul


Ok,, I will make sure this time around that the OS was
activated and will verify that the entitlement worked
and will take pictures.

Thanks,
Robert

In Windows 10

start : run : snippingtool

When the snippingtool appears, right click the icon for it
on the Task Bar, and select "Pin To TaskBar".

Then you won't have to type the command a second time.

Snippingtool can snapshot individual windows, or
it can snapshot the entire desktop. It will save
to the directory of your choice.

If you set the "time delay" before selecting the
window type, you can also record opened menus.

You don't need a camera when the OS is running.

Using file sharing, you could move the picture
to the other machine. Or, using a USB key, you
could put any pictures on the USB key.

Plenty of options.

Paul


Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:


Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert

Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert

Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul

So I should of clicked the offline
account and not create a new email
address? Is this what you mean by
local?

So delete all partitions for the 780
then hit next?

Robert

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert

Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul


I deleted all partitions and completed Win 10
on the 780; I tried clicking the offline account
but it asked for an email as well. In passing, I
didn't uninstall Avast on either the 8500 or the
780.

http://i63.tinypic.com/35lwait.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/xdi2w2.jpg


Many thanks for all your patience and good help.


Robert

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert

Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul


I deleted all partitions and completed Win 10
on the 780; I tried clicking the offline account
but it asked for an email as well. In passing, I
didn't uninstall Avast on either the 8500 or the
780.

http://i63.tinypic.com/35lwait.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/xdi2w2.jpg


Many thanks for all your patience and good help.


Robert


Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the
8500 and 780.

Robert

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert
Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul


I deleted all partitions and completed Win 10
on the 780; I tried clicking the offline account
but it asked for an email as well. In passing, I
didn't uninstall Avast on either the 8500 or the
780.

http://i63.tinypic.com/35lwait.jpg # all partitions deleted

http://i67.tinypic.com/xdi2w2.jpg # 780 activated


Many thanks for all your patience and good help.


Robert

The setup screen is a pestilent nuisance.

Scroll down to this line and follow what they do.

"24. To Set Up Windows 10 with a Local Account"

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

See how many times you have to tell them "No! No! No!"
that you want a local account ?

Now, you'll have some idea for your next install.

*******

Your two pictures look *good*.
Mission accomplished.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the
8500 and 780.

Robert

Apparently, it's more clever than I am.

It must be reading something about the licensing
of the machine on its own. Windows 7 OEM would use a
BIOS SLIC table. Maybe it can parse something from there,
to figure out the SKU to use. Since you didn't do a
Win10-over-Win7, it would not otherwise have a clue
what was on the machine. If you entered the key from
the COA at the key prompt, now *that* is a stronger
clue for the installer.

It's possible to "re-master" a Windows installer DVD
and remove "ei.cfg", which is supposed to cause the
menu of available OSes to appear. A recipe such as
the one I showed you for "making a DVD smaller" would
likely work, minus the DISM step. You'd extract the
DVD contents, then use oscdimg.exe to make a new DVD.
Once you'd removed ei.cfg from the folder holding
the DVD contents, of course.

Everything seems to be done at this point.

Play with Windows 10 as you see fit.

Test Classic Shell on it, if the interface bothers
you or something :-)

I use Windows 10, but I can't "surf in it all day long"
or do personal stuff in it. For me right now, it's
just an engine.

Paul

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:13:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 9:56:51 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Success!

They had allot of menu choices but I just winged
it. It seemed much of what they offered was to send
my information back to Microsoft and track everything
I do. I just said no thanks. Also, it does require an
email to install. So I made one up.


http://i66.tinypic.com/rsxvth.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/28iuofn.jpg

So now I do the same for the 780? I guess I need to
create another fake email for it.

Robert
Just use the same email as before.

In the first picture, in the lower left corner, is
"Offline Account". That's how you can be Rob and
get a \home\users\rob home directory.

In your second picture "Windows is activated".

Good job. That's one Digital Entitlement done.

Now, you can move on to the 780.

*******

When you put the Spare drive in the 780 (all by itself!),
the disk now has partitions on it.

We can blow those away, using the "Custom Install" dialog.

https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ll-windows.png

For each and every partition, you can select the "Delete"
button with the Red X, until all the partitions are gone.
When the disk is empty, hit Next and do your install.
The following picture shows all the partitions are gone
now, and the Spare is empty.

["Ready to hit Next..."]
https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ated-space.png

Doing it that way, avoids wasting a DVD on yet
another tool to erase the disk.

Paul


I deleted all partitions and completed Win 10
on the 780; I tried clicking the offline account
but it asked for an email as well. In passing, I
didn't uninstall Avast on either the 8500 or the
780.

http://i63.tinypic.com/35lwait.jpg # all partitions deleted

http://i67.tinypic.com/xdi2w2.jpg # 780 activated


Many thanks for all your patience and good help.


Robert

The setup screen is a pestilent nuisance.

Scroll down to this line and follow what they do.

"24. To Set Up Windows 10 with a Local Account"

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

See how many times you have to tell them "No! No! No!"
that you want a local account ?

Now, you'll have some idea for your next install.

*******

Your two pictures look *good*.
Mission accomplished.

Paul

I actually recognize the one screen with
all the different applications icons and
I tried clicking on them but none of them
activated.

Robert

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 6:20:02 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the
8500 and 780.

Robert

Apparently, it's more clever than I am.

It must be reading something about the licensing
of the machine on its own. Windows 7 OEM would use a
BIOS SLIC table. Maybe it can parse something from there,
to figure out the SKU to use. Since you didn't do a
Win10-over-Win7, it would not otherwise have a clue
what was on the machine. If you entered the key from
the COA at the key prompt, now *that* is a stronger
clue for the installer.

It's possible to "re-master" a Windows installer DVD
and remove "ei.cfg", which is supposed to cause the
menu of available OSes to appear. A recipe such as
the one I showed you for "making a DVD smaller" would
likely work, minus the DISM step. You'd extract the
DVD contents, then use oscdimg.exe to make a new DVD.
Once you'd removed ei.cfg from the folder holding
the DVD contents, of course.

Everything seems to be done at this point.

Play with Windows 10 as you see fit.

Test Classic Shell on it, if the interface bothers
you or something :-)

I use Windows 10, but I can't "surf in it all day long"
or do personal stuff in it. For me right now, it's
just an engine.

Paul



Again, many thanks for all your good help and links
and I still have the one drive with Win 10 on it that
I can practice Win 10 on the 780.

Question: If I connected both HD's in the 780 when it
booted it would ask me which OS to choose from correct?

I'm just thinking it might be easier to do it that way.

Robert

In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it never asked me about Win 10 Pro
but I see that it installed it on both the 8500 and 780. Robert

Apparently, it's more clever than I am.

Yes, I too had been wondering how it knew he had had a valid 7, since
he'd blasted all partitions before installing 10.

It must be reading something about the licensing
of the machine on its own. Windows 7 OEM would use a
BIOS SLIC table. Maybe it can parse something from there,
to figure out the SKU to use. Since you didn't do a

Would my current machine - Toshiba Portégé R700-1F5 - be SLICed? I
bought it with 7 on, but second-hand, from a refurbisher; the only
sticker on it is a W7 one (plus an intel i3 one), but of course that
could have been done by the refurbisher.

Win10-over-Win7, it would not otherwise have a clue
what was on the machine. If you entered the key from
the COA at the key prompt, now *that* is a stronger
clue for the installer.
[]
Play with Windows 10 as you see fit.

I've seen it on my blind friend's machine; I suppose I could live with
it, but I'd be constantly fighting it.

Test Classic Shell on it, if the interface bothers
you or something :-)

I'd like to do that, but - like the Firefox change of UI which they all
told me "do it, then you can install the Classic extension to get your
old UI back" - it seems a lot of effort!

I use Windows 10, but I can't "surf in it all day long"
or do personal stuff in it. For me right now, it's
just an engine.

Can you think of anything "they" (Microsoft, and/or the rest of the
"computing establishment") could do to seriously break Windows 7 at some
point, so I would regret not having established my "entitlement" for 10?
Otherwise, I'm tempted to just keep using 7 (doing .mrimg from time to
time against disaster), until the machine dies, at which point W10 will
come on the replacement anyway (so I won't need the entitlement).

Paul

_Do_ you think the "entitlement" generation will stop around the end of
W7 support (January 2020 IIRR)?

John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only
my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it
this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


_Do_ you think the "entitlement" generation will stop around the end of
W7 support (January 2020 IIRR)?

John

Absolutely.

The end of support is the end of support. Period.

Whenever Extended Support for Win7 stops, on that
day the free offer will disappear.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:


I actually recognize the one screen with
all the different applications icons and
I tried clicking on them but none of them
activated.

Robert

Sometimes the double click doesn't register.

Try right-click and "Open" at the top, for
an unambiguous opening of a program icon sitting
on the desktop.

I don't know what to suggest for Tiles in the main
menu, if they don't react.

Paul

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


_Do_ you think the "entitlement" generation will stop around the end of
W7 support (January 2020 IIRR)?

John

Absolutely.

The end of support is the end of support. Period.

Whenever Extended Support for Win7 stops, on that
day the free offer will disappear.

Paul

Then it's a good thing we did this now.

Robert