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| Very surprising to me. I've used them for over a year now, I think,
| with never a hitch. What I don't get is why they do it. What's in it | for them? | It seems to be just simple idealism and generosity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I'm surprised there isn't any "About Us" on their website. It's ironic to me that richard2 says the Internet has been destroyed, while he's posting via E-S. To a great extent I agree with his view. Google's commercialism and monopoly have allowed the Internet to become little more than a shopping mall. The weight given to incoming links on webpages ensures that Google finds little that isn't retail something-or-other. But E-S is one of many examples of the Internet functioning just as many had envisioned it would. I've always thought of the Internet as something like the town square, where everyone can chip in as they see fit and everyone can benefit. That Internet is still there. It's just harder to find. The generation that came of age in commercial town squares (shopping malls) now feels comfortable living on a commercial Web. (Facebook, which is really just AOL combined with high-speed access and javascript advances.) Perhaps what's needed is to rouse a few idealistic college students from their timelines in order to write a new search engine that performs the job that Google used to do. |
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On 27 Mar 2012, Paul wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: Change port numbers, and your news reader software should do the rest for you. That is, if your newsreader does SSL. Many don't. My choice, Xnews does not, but I use use stunnel to make up for that lack. http://www.aioe.org/ |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:34:42 -0400, "Nil"
wrote in article ... On 27 Mar 2012, wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: I've tried eternal-september several times. They were originally mozerella, and worked, but were down quite often, and I had to sign up all over again when they lost the system records. When they switched to eternal-september, my account was lost again. I had to sign up once again, and shortly after that one would not work. Again I signed up and used a different name. That lasted a month or two before I could not connect again. That's when I gave up on them. There's no reason a person should have to keep signing up over and over, every few months or less. I've had a Mozzarella/eternal-september account for several years, and I've never had any of those problems, except for their occasional brief outage. Likewise, except I do recall an outage that was longer than what I would call brief. They certainly haven't been perfect but hey, what do you want for a free service? AIOE, on the other hand, used to be down frequently, sometimes for a week or more at a time. Every time I tried to use AIOE they were down, so I gave up even trying them. Bad luck on my part I suppose, but still. -- Zaphod Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt |
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"Mayayana" wrote in message ... | Very surprising to me. I've used them for over a year now, I think, | with never a hitch. What I don't get is why they do it. What's in it | for them? | It seems to be just simple idealism and generosity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I'm surprised there isn't any "About Us" on their website... True... but this part of their URL: http://www.eternal-september.org/ind...showpage=abuse I believe tells it all. No? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP |
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Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:34:42 -0400, "Nil" wrote in article ... On 27 Mar 2012, wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: I've tried eternal-september several times. They were originally mozerella, and worked, but were down quite often, and I had to sign up all over again when they lost the system records. When they switched to eternal-september, my account was lost again. I had to sign up once again, and shortly after that one would not work. Again I signed up and used a different name. That lasted a month or two before I could not connect again. That's when I gave up on them. There's no reason a person should have to keep signing up over and over, every few months or less. I've had a Mozzarella/eternal-september account for several years, and I've never had any of those problems, except for their occasional brief outage. Likewise, except I do recall an outage that was longer than what I would call brief. They certainly haven't been perfect but hey, what do you want for a free service? AIOE, on the other hand, used to be down frequently, sometimes for a week or more at a time. Every time I tried to use AIOE they were down, so I gave up even trying them. Bad luck on my part I suppose, but still. AIOE was down for a long time once, because of a tiny issue with "hosting". Paolo happened to comment, in a public forum, about the service his current hosting company was providing. He had a machine inside their building, running AIOE newsserver and web server. The hosting, must search the web daily, for even the tiniest disparaging comment. In North America, if you said what Paolo said, you'd just be ignored. Most North America businesses react, only when someone does purposeful damage (and isn't just expressing an opinion in an offhand way). I mean, if AT&T reacted to every negative comments customers made about their cell phone service, they'd have no customers if they reacted the way this hosting company did. When the hosting read what he said, he was immediately booted. He apparently didn't have recent backups of everything, so basically had to build AIOE from the ground up again. The post where he announced he was booted, was here. The offending post is also in this thread (if you can believe it). https://groups.google.com/group/alt....n&dmode=source And that takes a few days, to build a server from the ground up. The web server content, was never the same. Much was lost. Moral of the story is, don't do business in Italy. Paul |
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In message , BillW50
writes: "Mayayana" wrote in message ... | Very surprising to me. I've used them for over a year now, I think, | with never a hitch. What I don't get is why they do it. What's in it | for them? | It seems to be just simple idealism and generosity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I'm surprised there isn't any "About Us" on their website... True... but this part of their URL: http://www.eternal-september.org/ind...showpage=abuse I believe tells it all. No? No, it tells that they have a very sensible and liberal attitude. But not "what's in it for them"; not that I don't believe there aren't still some altruistic people around, but something the size of e-s must require significant amounts of money to keep it going, so I do wonder. (Though not too loudly as I'm very glad they're there!) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Look, if it'll help you to do what I tell you, baby, imagine that I've got a blaster ray in my hand." "Uh - you _have_ got a blaster ray in your hand." "So you shouldn't have to tax your imagination too hard." (Link episode) |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , BillW50 writes: "Mayayana" wrote in message ... | Very surprising to me. I've used them for over a year now, I think, | with never a hitch. What I don't get is why they do it. What's in it | for them? | It seems to be just simple idealism and generosity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I'm surprised there isn't any "About Us" on their website... True... but this part of their URL: http://www.eternal-september.org/ind...showpage=abuse I believe tells it all. No? No, it tells that they have a very sensible and liberal attitude. But not "what's in it for them"; not that I don't believe there aren't still some altruistic people around, but something the size of e-s must require significant amounts of money to keep it going, so I do wonder. (Though not too loudly as I'm very glad they're there!) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Look, if it'll help you to do what I tell you, baby, imagine that I've got a blaster ray in my hand." "Uh - you _have_ got a blaster ray in your hand." "So you shouldn't have to tax your imagination too hard." (Link episode) I don't know John. There were tens of thousands of us who ran BBS and we personally paid for the long distance phone charges and equipment and all. And I don't see it as a bad thing at all. And if a very few continue and run USENET servers because it is something they believe in. Well I see it as a good thing. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP |
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In message , BillW50
writes: [] I don't know John. There were tens of thousands of us who ran BBS and we personally paid for the long distance phone charges and equipment and all. And I don't see it as a bad thing at all. And if a very few continue and run USENET servers because it is something they believe in. Well I see it as a good thing. ;-) Oh, so do I! I'm just wondering how, rather than why, they do it - basically, how do they afford it! But I don't want to ask too loudly in case it breaks something (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I multitask... I read in the bathroom. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:59:17 +0100, MotoFox
confucius-say@enlightenment!to!him!lead!it!for!bangpath!foll ow!man!wise.UUCP wrote: http://cd.textfiles.com/ has at least a couple clipart CDs in its "shovelware" archive. Every single file up there for download. Best to use wget -r -l0 --no-cookies http://site.url/directory/ to get anything from that part of the site en masse, since downloading everything item-by-item is incredibly tedious. That looks like an excellent site for clipart. But you lost me on this wget -r -l0 --no-cookies http://site.url/directory/ I know you're saying to use this to get the whole collection, but where do I type these commands? This looks like unix or dos codes. I went to the site with firefox, is there someplace in FF to enter these commands? Thanks |
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| That looks like an excellent site for clipart.
| But you lost me on this | wget -r -l0 --no-cookies http://site.url/directory/ | | I know you're saying to use this to get the whole collection, but where | do I type these commands? This looks like unix or dos codes. I went to | the site with firefox, is there someplace in FF to enter these commands? | I think it's supposed to be a hip, command-liner way of saying "scrape" the whole thing with an auto-downloader. (Real men don't use GUIs. I know you said that you just want these images for your own use, but these files still may be illegal to download. I found a "10000 photos" collection that seems to be a match for a cheap CD collection I bought many years ago. Besides the fact that the photos were of terrible quality, there was a ridiculous license that said I couldn't use the images commercially and could only print them onto 25 cards at most. I don't remember all the details now, but the license was so petty that I don't doubt it also said something to the effect that one has no right to use the images if one didn't buy the CD directly. I used to collect a lot of graphics and sounds from British magaizine CDs, too. Unfortuantely, nearly all of it was just cheap junk. |
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On 29 Mar 2012, wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:59:17 +0100, MotoFox confucius-say@enlightenment!to!him!lead!it!for!bangpath!foll ow!man! wise.UUCP wrote: http://cd.textfiles.com/ has at least a couple clipart CDs in its "shovelware" archive. Every single file up there for download. Best to use wget -r -l0 --no-cookies http://site.url/directory/ to get anything from that part of the site en masse, since downloading everything item-by-item is incredibly tedious. That looks like an excellent site for clipart. But you lost me on this wget -r -l0 --no-cookies http://site.url/directory/ I know you're saying to use this to get the whole collection, but where do I type these commands? This looks like unix or dos codes. I went to the site with firefox, is there someplace in FF to enter these commands? This is the command line for the 3rd-party utility WGET. It can retrieve files from web sites without the use of a web browser. It's a console program, no GUI. http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm The "advice" from Motofox is pretty useless without that important bit of information. |
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