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On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. |
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On 10/03/2014 08:16 PM, Ron wrote:
On 10/3/2014 11:37 AM, Caver1 wrote: On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Last night I was watching Thursday Night Football and there were ad banners for the Surface Pro at Lambeau Field. Only paid attention to the game. -- Caver1 |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400, Ron wrote:
On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. Simple? Yes, very simple. But although many people know that they shouldn't, many people do. Most people in offices spend most of their days in front of their keyboard, and going without coffee (or whatever they drink) for so long is very hard. And personally, although I don't spend most of my day here, I do spend several hours a day here, and I always have my drink (iced tea) next to my keyboard. I'm well aware of the danger, but I'm also aware of the very low cost of a new keyboard should it be necessary to replace it, so I don't worry about it. And I always keep a spare keyboard around, just in case. |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:12:51 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. Simple? Yes, very simple. But although many people know that they shouldn't, many people do. Most people in offices spend most of their days in front of their keyboard, and going without coffee (or whatever they drink) for so long is very hard. And personally, although I don't spend most of my day here, I do spend several hours a day here, and I always have my drink (iced tea) next to my keyboard. I'm well aware of the danger, but I'm also aware of the very low cost of a new keyboard should it be necessary to replace it, so I don't worry about it. And I always keep a spare keyboard around, just in case. For anyone who can't get away from their keyboard to have a drink there are waterproof keyboards available. They roll up as well. There has been one in my cupboard for years but I don't like the feel of the soft keys so I don't use it. Amazon UK had one at £9.99 but they have been out of stock for months. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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Caver1 wrote:
On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Perhaps their vision is larger than that. The Surface introduced the idea of a Windows-based tablet that offered features beyond those available from iStuff and Androids. Now, Windows-based tablets are coming onto the market at very low prices, for example the Winbooks that run from $99 for a 7" basic tablet to $199 for a 10" full version. Something had to kick-start that market, and since MS' main business is the software, once could see the investment in the Surface as a marketing expense that will be recouped by the sales of other products running Windows OS and software. -- best regards, Neil |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 15:38:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:12:51 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. Simple? Yes, very simple. But although many people know that they shouldn't, many people do. Most people in offices spend most of their days in front of their keyboard, and going without coffee (or whatever they drink) for so long is very hard. And personally, although I don't spend most of my day here, I do spend several hours a day here, and I always have my drink (iced tea) next to my keyboard. I'm well aware of the danger, but I'm also aware of the very low cost of a new keyboard should it be necessary to replace it, so I don't worry about it. And I always keep a spare keyboard around, just in case. For anyone who can't get away from their keyboard to have a drink there are waterproof keyboards available. They roll up as well. There has been one in my cupboard for years but I don't like the feel of the soft keys so I don't use it. Yes, I know about them, but like you, I don't like them. |
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On 10/04/2014 10:54 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
Caver1 wrote: On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Perhaps their vision is larger than that. The Surface introduced the idea of a Windows-based tablet that offered features beyond those available from iStuff and Androids. Now, Windows-based tablets are coming onto the market at very low prices, for example the Winbooks that run from $99 for a 7" basic tablet to $199 for a 10" full version. Something had to kick-start that market, and since MS' main business is the software, once could see the investment in the Surface as a marketing expense that will be recouped by the sales of other products running Windows OS and software. Just like MS to sell at a loss to try to capture the market. Don't think it will work this time. My daughter paid $219 for a 10" Asus Android tablet. $199-$219 not a big difference. She does her office work, manipulates images and more with it without unlocking. Unlock it and you can install anything you want and have complete control. Can't unlock Windows and have control. -- Caver1 |
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On 10/04/2014 10:02 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-10-04 7:40 AM, Caver1 wrote: On 10/03/2014 08:16 PM, Ron wrote: [...] Last night I was watching Thursday Night Football and there were ad banners for the Surface Pro at Lambeau Field. Only paid attention to the game. Conscious attention is probably less tan 10% of total attention. Unconscious attention has slowly accumulating but long-lasting effects. That's why advertising works, even on thsoe poepl who "never pay attention to ads." Relevant anecdote: Back in the 70s, the Chicago Sociology Dept did a number of surveys to find out what people paid attention to. One such asked people for two facts: When is your commute, and what radio station do you listen to while commuting? Then they played several current pop-songs, and asked people whether they a) had heard the song before; and b) if heard before, could name title/artist/etc. They correlated commute times and radio station play lists. They found that on average, people heard a new song fourteen times before they could recognise it as one they had heard before. And well over two dozen times before they had learned title/artist/etc. I'm an exception. Never have learned more about music except what sounds I like. I don't pay attention to ads except to laugh at them sometimes. Never have based my purchases on them. Trail and error. Addendum: When I reported this study to my senior English classes, the students refused to believe it. Their subjective experience was "Wow, what a neat song", and they couldn't accept that they probably heard it several times before. Our subjective experience of "paying attention" is highly misleading as a record of what we actually take in. Have a good day, I remember that study and the controversy it caused. -- Caver1 |
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On 10/04/2014 10:12 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. Simple? Yes, very simple. But although many people know that they shouldn't, many people do. Most people in offices spend most of their days in front of their keyboard, and going without coffee (or whatever they drink) for so long is very hard. And personally, although I don't spend most of my day here, I do spend several hours a day here, and I always have my drink (iced tea) next to my keyboard. I'm well aware of the danger, but I'm also aware of the very low cost of a new keyboard should it be necessary to replace it, so I don't worry about it. And I always keep a spare keyboard around, just in case. With most keyboards today all you have to do is take them apart and clean the them after a spill. A pain but they still work, nothing to short out. -- Caver1 |
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On 10/4/2014 10:12 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/3/2014 11:18 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way Don't have drinks near your keyboard. Simple. Simple? Yes, very simple. But although many people know that they shouldn't, many people do. Most people in offices spend most of their days in front of their keyboard, and going without coffee (or whatever they drink) for so long is very hard. And personally, although I don't spend most of my day here, I do spend several hours a day here, and I always have my drink (iced tea) next to my keyboard. I'm well aware of the danger, but I'm also aware of the very low cost of a new keyboard should it be necessary to replace it, so I don't worry about it. And I always keep a spare keyboard around, just in case. Yeah, I use a cheap-o throwaway keyboard on my desktop also....but my wife uses a very nice ergonomic keyboard at work. I don't think her employer would appreciate her spilling drinks on it. Walmart sells Bubba cups and mugs. They are almost spill proof and they are double insulated. Cold stays cold and hot stays hot. Cold doesn't sweat and hot doesn't transfer heat. I love those things. http://www.bubbabrands.com/products/ |
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In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 15:38:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: For anyone who can't get away from their keyboard to have a drink there are waterproof keyboards available. They roll up as well. There has been one in my cupboard for years but I don't like the feel of the soft keys so I don't use it. Yes, I know about them, but like you, I don't like them. The Lenovo laptops that I mainly use have keyboard drains built in. I'm not sure they are perfect, but the idea is good. I have experience of someone spilling hot Lemsip into equipment (actually a radio studio desk). We just managed to get the section out and under a tap in the toilets before the printed circuit boards were eaten through. -- Bill |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 12:24:12 -0400, Ron wrote:
Walmart sells Bubba cups and mugs. They are almost spill proof and they are double insulated. Cold stays cold and hot stays hot. Cold doesn't sweat and hot doesn't transfer heat. I love those things. Thanks, I'll look for those the next tine I'm at Walmart. |
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On 10/4/2014 11:13 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/04/2014 10:54 AM, Neil Gould wrote: Caver1 wrote: On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Perhaps their vision is larger than that. The Surface introduced the idea of a Windows-based tablet that offered features beyond those available from iStuff and Androids. Now, Windows-based tablets are coming onto the market at very low prices, for example the Winbooks that run from $99 for a 7" basic tablet to $199 for a 10" full version. Something had to kick-start that market, and since MS' main business is the software, once could see the investment in the Surface as a marketing expense that will be recouped by the sales of other products running Windows OS and software. Just like MS to sell at a loss to try to capture the market. Don't think it will work this time. My daughter paid $219 for a 10" Asus Android tablet. $199-$219 not a big difference. She does her office work, manipulates images and more with it without unlocking. Unlock it and you can install anything you want and have complete control. Can't unlock Windows and have control. The number of Windows users that have ever wanted to "unlock" the OS is not worth caring about. For most Windows users the primary requirement for those users is that they can get work done efficiently. Managing an "unlocked" system is contrary to that requirement. Although there are apps that have some of the functionality of MS Office, I've not seen one that is a true competitor in any sense. The time wasted trying to execute the same tasks that users have done for years if not decades in MS Office drives them back to that suite in short order. In short, MS doesn't have to "capture market", they just don't have to lose a lot of what they already have, and that isn't as big a task as it might seem. Remember, MS is a primarily software company. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 2014-10-2 18:9, Silver Slimer wrote:
[] Maybe the next version is called "Windows 10" to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and 98. No one mentioned that but it's a valid assumption. Oh, it most certainly has been mentioned: apparently there's quite a lot of code around that includes something like if versionstring.startswith("Windows 9") then ... which loads the version/fetches the webpage/whatever that's suitable for 95/98. (I've seen someone ask "do they really look at strings when the version number is accessible", only for someone else to answer "yes they do".) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf |
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| Oh, it most certainly has been mentioned: apparently there's quite a lot
| of code around that includes something like | | if versionstring.startswith("Windows 9") then ... | | which loads the version/fetches the webpage/whatever that's suitable for | 95/98. (I've seen someone ask "do they really look at strings when the | version number is accessible", only for someone else to answer "yes they | do".) I saw the same theory mentioned on Slashdot, but it seems *very* farfetched to me. First, it's unlikely that anything running on Win10 would also run on Win9x. Second, it wasn't Win9x in the first place as far as version numbers go. Platform 1: Win95 v. 4.0 Win98 v. 4.1 WinME v. 4.9 Platform 2: Win2000 v. 5.0 XP v. 5.1 Vista v. 6.0 Win7 v. 6.1 Win8 v. 6.3 When software checks the Windows version it generally uses a method that returns those numbers. Win95 and Win98 were not versions. They were just brand names. In the same way, checking WinME returns 4.9, not "Millennium". The .Net docs are he http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...=vs.85%29.aspx The Win32 API used by non.Net software offers GetVersionEx to return the same numbers. GetVersionEx returns lots of things, but a string version of the OS name isn't one of them. Platform check isn't necessary anymore because it's all NT and has been since 2001. There was never a Windows version that returned "9" as the major version number. In fact, Microsoft have screwed things up themselves far more than numbers could. Starting with Vista they brought in "virtualization". If software is set for XP compatibility Vista/7 will tell the running software that it's running on XP. (It returns v. 5 when it should return v. 6.) But it's not running on XP! There's a difference and it matters. I had to redesign my version checks when Vista came out so that I could find the *real* version my software was running on. There may be a way to return a brand string, from the Registry or some such, but software doesn't do anything like that. It would only be used for something like a system info program, to display official looking info about the system. I find it interesting that no one knows why MS picked 10 instead of 9. That seems to indicate that they didn't have a good reason other than to compete with Apple or simply because it seemed more impressive. Another popular theory is that it's 10 to show how different the new version is. But it's not different. And anyway, the method they've always used to show that the new Windows version is very different from the last is to increase the major version number by 1. The internal version of Win10 may very well end up being something like 6.4. A very different version might be 7.0. Either way, it's not 9 or 10. |
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