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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
I've got a desktop system where the motherboard has Intel 82G965/963
on-board graphics controller. I've installed both XP and Win-7 on this system (but not on the same hard drive). So all I'm saying is that I can run either XP or 7 on this system by selecting which drive is connected to the system. (this is an experimental industrial / lab system). This is the 32-bit versions of XP and 7 (not 64 bit). There's a 16-bit DOS program that I need to run on the system, and it runs just fine in XP. The program runs in full-screen mode (takes over the whole screen - it doesn't / can't run in a window). The program will not run under win-7, because the win-7 video driver won't allow a command-shell to run in full-screen mode. I've messed with the file-properies of the 16-bit executable and that doesn't help (well, it might help, but it doesn't get me where I need to go). Now, I've searched the internet and have played around with wmic and have "disabled" the video adapter in the device manager. When I disable the video adapter, win-7 reverts to some sort of 800 x 600 VGA mode and the DOS program will run ok in full-screen mode. But when I re-enable the video adapter, the program won't run - and trying to run cmd from the start menu is broken - it doesn't work any more (I think this has something to do with the window properties I changes when running wmic). Something else that might work is to replace the win-7 video driver with either Vista or XP versions - and here is where I'm running into problems: How do I force win-7 to use these drivers? I downloaded the vista driver for the G965/963 chipset from Intel, but the setup program refuses to run (it says wrong OS) and even when I unpack the driver package and try to point device manager to "update" the driver, it refuses and says I already have the most recent (or most appropriate) driver. So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
On 4/19/2012, R. C. White posted:
Hi, XP Guy. I've installed both XP and Win-7 on this system... WHICH Win7? Home? Professional? Ultimate? Sounds like you need Win7's XP Mode. It is free, but can be installed only Win7 Pro or Ultimate: Install and use Windows XP Mode in Windows 7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-in-windows-7 Alternatively get VMware reader and a paid-for version of XP, if the version of Win 7 doesn't allow XP Mode. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1 "XP Guy" wrote in message ... I've got a desktop system where the motherboard has Intel 82G965/963 on-board graphics controller. I've installed both XP and Win-7 on this system (but not on the same hard drive). So all I'm saying is that I can run either XP or 7 on this system by selecting which drive is connected to the system. (this is an experimental industrial / lab system). This is the 32-bit versions of XP and 7 (not 64 bit). There's a 16-bit DOS program that I need to run on the system, and it runs just fine in XP. The program runs in full-screen mode (takes over the whole screen - it doesn't / can't run in a window). The program will not run under win-7, because the win-7 video driver won't allow a command-shell to run in full-screen mode. I've messed with the file-properies of the 16-bit executable and that doesn't help (well, it might help, but it doesn't get me where I need to go). Now, I've searched the internet and have played around with wmic and have "disabled" the video adapter in the device manager. When I disable the video adapter, win-7 reverts to some sort of 800 x 600 VGA mode and the DOS program will run ok in full-screen mode. But when I re-enable the video adapter, the program won't run - and trying to run cmd from the start menu is broken - it doesn't work any more (I think this has something to do with the window properties I changes when running wmic). Something else that might work is to replace the win-7 video driver with either Vista or XP versions - and here is where I'm running into problems: How do I force win-7 to use these drivers? I downloaded the vista driver for the G965/963 chipset from Intel, but the setup program refuses to run (it says wrong OS) and even when I unpack the driver package and try to point device manager to "update" the driver, it refuses and says I already have the most recent (or most appropriate) driver. So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:
I've installed both XP and Win-7 on this system... WHICH Win7? Home? Professional? Ultimate? Does it matter? It's from technet. We have all versions. It wouldn't be home version. Sounds like you need Win7's XP Mode. It is free, but can be installed only Win7 Pro or Ultimate: No, I don't want to install XP mode, or VMware. The software performs direct hardware access (using porttalk) so I don't want to complicate things by running it in a VM (which it probably wouldn't run correctly anyways). I remember we tried running this in Windows Vista a few years ago and it did run just fine - because Vista does (or did) allow full-screen DOS or CMD mode. So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? |
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In message , XP Guy writes:
[] So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? Assuming you meant "force 7" rather than "force XP" the I think you said earlier that 7 doesn't allow a cmd window to go full screen. If this is truly the case (i. e. 7 doesn't allow full-screen CMD), then I suspect that just having a driver which might allow it won't help. Not that I think it'll help for the above reason, but you did say you tried loading the Vista driver but it said you had a more recent one; presumably you tried removing the 7 driver (assuming you've got it on a disc so you can put it back when the attempt fails)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
"XP Guy" wrote in message ... I've got a desktop system where the motherboard has Intel 82G965/963 on-board graphics controller. I've installed both XP and Win-7 on this system (but not on the same hard drive). So all I'm saying is that I can run either XP or 7 on this system by selecting which drive is connected to the system. (this is an experimental industrial / lab system). This is the 32-bit versions of XP and 7 (not 64 bit). There's a 16-bit DOS program that I need to run on the system, and it runs just fine in XP. The program runs in full-screen mode (takes over the whole screen - it doesn't / can't run in a window). The program will not run under win-7, because the win-7 video driver won't allow a command-shell to run in full-screen mode. I've messed with the file-properies of the 16-bit executable and that doesn't help (well, it might help, but it doesn't get me where I need to go). Now, I've searched the internet and have played around with wmic and have "disabled" the video adapter in the device manager. When I disable the video adapter, win-7 reverts to some sort of 800 x 600 VGA mode and the DOS program will run ok in full-screen mode. But when I re-enable the video adapter, the program won't run - and trying to run cmd from the start menu is broken - it doesn't work any more (I think this has something to do with the window properties I changes when running wmic). Something else that might work is to replace the win-7 video driver with either Vista or XP versions - and here is where I'm running into problems: How do I force win-7 to use these drivers? I downloaded the vista driver for the G965/963 chipset from Intel, but the setup program refuses to run (it says wrong OS) and even when I unpack the driver package and try to point device manager to "update" the driver, it refuses and says I already have the most recent (or most appropriate) driver. So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? You'll have to uninstall the current Win7 driver first. Reboot, and when the "Found new hardware" comes up, cancel. It will probably then leave you with the default VGA driver (this is good). Now you can install the Vista driver (you may have to do it in Compatibility mode). I did something similar to this when I had to install an earlier ATI driver on my laptop. You also might have to either temporarily disable automatic updates, or change it to "notify me when. . ." in order to keep it from installing an updated driver over your Vista one. If you choose "notify me. . .", then you can uncheck the update, then right-click on it and select "Don't notify me of this driver again." One machine I did this on, I had to boot into safe mode to do it all, but I don't remember if that was my Win7 or XP machine (I love messing around with various programs and utilities; sometimes it bites me in the ass. Gotta love a recent disk image :-) ) -- SC Tom |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:16:27 -0400, "XP Guy" wrote in
article ... I remember we tried running this in Windows Vista a few years ago and it did run just fine - because Vista does (or did) allow full-screen DOS or CMD mode. FWIW, I just checked this on my Vista test platform and it did not allow full-screen CMD modes, so you'll probably want to go with the XP driver. -- Zaphod "So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?" "...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?" - Arthur Dent |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
So - is there any way I can force win-7 to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? I think you said earlier that 7 doesn't allow a cmd window to go full screen. If this is truly the case Do a google search for this phrase: "windows 7" full screen dos mode You'll see this is a real behavior or observation. In XP, if you open a command shell and hit alt-enter, you'll see that the window will open to full-screen. You can't do that with Windows 7. I know this did work a few years ago when we tried this on a different machine running Vista - but this could very well have been a pre-release candidate of Vista. I see that this full-screen ability must have been taken away from Vista: http://www.mydigitallife.info/workar...windows-vista/ ============ When you attempt open or run DOS .com applications, .bat batch scripts or games that relies on command prompt, and including cmd.exe itself, you will encounter the following error message: This system does not support fullscreen mode. Choose “Close” to terminate the application. The lack of support for full screen DOS command prompt in Windows Vista is a big annoyance especially for those who still playing games for DOS and Windows 3.1/9x era, use legacy software such as WPDOS or programmers who frequently switch to command prompt to use DOS based programming language such as PASCAL. ============= I'm getting the exact same error message for the 16-bit app I'm trying to run under win-7. I'll have to try the trick shown on that page to run the Vista video driver install program under XP compatibility mode. If the Vista driver still won't let me have full-screen mode, then I'll try the XP driver. (I don't care if I lose the aero mode). you did say you tried loading the Vista driver but it said you had a more recent one; presumably you tried removing the 7 driver (assuming you've got it on a disc so you can put it back when the attempt fails)? I'm not sure how to tell win-7 to "remove" the existing driver (vs replace or update the driver). The existing driver must be part of win-7 because I didn't have to feed it to win-7 during installation of the OS. So it must be part of win-7 core install files. |
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On 19/04/2012 8:58 PM, XP Guy wrote:
Something else that might work is to replace the win-7 video driver with either Vista or XP versions - and here is where I'm running into problems: How do I force win-7 to use these drivers? I downloaded the vista driver for the G965/963 chipset from Intel, but the setup program refuses to run (it says wrong OS) and even when I unpack the driver package and try to point device manager to "update" the driver, it refuses and says I already have the most recent (or most appropriate) driver. So - is there any way I can force XP to install and use either an XP or Vista video driver - so that (theoretically) I can have a true full-screen DOS (CMD) mode? The XP driver definitely won't work, the driver model is too different between XP and 7. However, the Win7 driver model was first introduced in Vista, so that one might work, if you can find a way to uninstall the existing Windows 7 driver. Yousuf Khan |
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On 20/04/2012 12:16 AM, XP Guy wrote:
Sounds like you need Win7's XP Mode. It is free, but can be installed only Win7 Pro or Ultimate: No, I don't want to install XP mode, or VMware. The software performs direct hardware access (using porttalk) so I don't want to complicate things by running it in a VM (which it probably wouldn't run correctly anyways). You seem to distrust virtualization's capabilities. Most of these virtualization software will also virtualize the ports and make it look like it's running on a bog standard VGA or SVGA adapter of some kind. So even direct hardware port accesses are also virtualized. If you got the Ultimate or Pro, then go ahead and install the XP Mode on the machine, it'll only take up a bit of your time, and you'll never know it works until you try it. In fact, running the Sysinfo under my XP Mode, I see it sees an S3 Trio video adapter running. My system is actually running an AMD Radeon HD 6870, so it's obviously virtualized. There's nothing complicated about it, XP Mode doesn't run automatically at Windows startup, so it doesn't take up any resources until you click on it. Yousuf Khan |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
No, I don't want to install XP mode, or VMware. The software performs direct hardware access (using porttalk) so I don't want to complicate things by running it in a VM (which it probably wouldn't run correctly anyways). You seem to distrust virtualization's capabilities. Most of these virtualization software will also virtualize the ports and make it look like it's running on a bog standard VGA or SVGA adapter of some kind. So even direct hardware port accesses are also virtualized. The hardware ports belong to a proprietary data-acquisition interface card that does not have any windows drivers. So unless there's something about virtualization that I don't understand, I can't see how my 16-bit app is going to be able to directly access the real physical ports through the virtualization layer. If you got the Ultimate or Pro, then go ahead and install the XP Mode on the machine, it'll only take up a bit of your time, and you'll never know it works until you try it. I still don't see how virtualization gets around the full-screen DOS issue. Even if virtualization allows the program to run in a virtualized "full-screen window", the application performs a lot of real-time data plotting on screen so I have to wonder about performance. |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:58:14 -0400, XP Guy wrote:
Something else that might work is to replace the win-7 video driver with either Vista or XP versions - and here is where I'm running into problems: How do I force win-7 to use these drivers? "Force"? You can't force anything like this. Some Vista drivers *might* work, but XP drivers never will. |
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Is that you Steve?
XP Guy wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote: No, I don't want to install XP mode, or VMware. The software performs direct hardware access (using porttalk) so I don't want to complicate things by running it in a VM (which it probably wouldn't run correctly anyways). You seem to distrust virtualization's capabilities. Most of these virtualization software will also virtualize the ports and make it look like it's running on a bog standard VGA or SVGA adapter of some kind. So even direct hardware port accesses are also virtualized. The hardware ports belong to a proprietary data-acquisition interface card that does not have any windows drivers. So unless there's something about virtualization that I don't understand, I can't see how my 16-bit app is going to be able to directly access the real physical ports through the virtualization layer. If you got the Ultimate or Pro, then go ahead and install the XP Mode on the machine, it'll only take up a bit of your time, and you'll never know it works until you try it. I still don't see how virtualization gets around the full-screen DOS issue. Even if virtualization allows the program to run in a virtualized "full-screen window", the application performs a lot of real-time data plotting on screen so I have to wonder about performance. -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? UBB = User based bullFROGGING Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:13:22 -0400, "XP Guy" wrote in
article ... Yousuf Khan wrote: No, I don't want to install XP mode, or VMware. The software performs direct hardware access (using porttalk) so I don't want to complicate things by running it in a VM (which it probably wouldn't run correctly anyways). You seem to distrust virtualization's capabilities. Most of these virtualization software will also virtualize the ports and make it look like it's running on a bog standard VGA or SVGA adapter of some kind. So even direct hardware port accesses are also virtualized. The hardware ports belong to a proprietary data-acquisition interface card that does not have any windows drivers. So unless there's something about virtualization that I don't understand, I can't see how my 16-bit app is going to be able to directly access the real physical ports through the virtualization layer. If you got the Ultimate or Pro, then go ahead and install the XP Mode on the machine, it'll only take up a bit of your time, and you'll never know it works until you try it. I still don't see how virtualization gets around the full-screen DOS issue. Even if virtualization allows the program to run in a virtualized "full-screen window", the application performs a lot of real-time data plotting on screen so I have to wonder about performance. Our hardware developers have been moving back to running on the host OS instead of in virtual machines after a brief attempt at doing everything in a VM and only using the host OS for virtualization for these very reasons. Hardware just doesn't behave the same in a virtual environment as it does on the host OS. -- Zaphod "So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?" "...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?" - Arthur Dent |
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How can I replace Win-7 video driver with Vista or XP driver?
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Zaphod Beeblebrox writes: On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:16:27 -0400, "XP Guy" wrote in article ... I remember we tried running this in Windows Vista a few years ago and it did run just fine - because Vista does (or did) allow full-screen DOS or CMD mode. FWIW, I just checked this on my Vista test platform and it did not allow full-screen CMD modes, so you'll probably want to go with the XP driver. Surely, if the underlying OS doesn't support full-screen (a. k. a. character) mode, then no matter whether the driver supports it, you won't be able to use it? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You asking for a slap across the face with a wet pedant?-} |
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