what happened my post?

No, I can't quite figure it out, Daave.
The link does indeed show the post to which Pegasus was replying, with the
following info, in microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript:

(subject) os and the concept of computer
From: eseco systems
Date Posted: 10/21/2009 10:30:00 AM

OE does not display this post; it does display Pegasus' reply about 45
minutes later, and all subsequent replies. One of those posts by Pegasus
says "... always posting with a date of 21 January 2009".

I infer this to mean:
1) On Oct 21, with his computer clock set to Jan 21, eseco systems made his
post to the newsgroup.
2) The msnews provider thinks the original post actually was on Jan 21, but
somehow http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007 knows
when it really was posted.
3) Msnews decides the original post is too old to be sent to OE as a current
thread, or maybe OE doesn't know what to do with it?
4) Pegasus' reply is displayed in OE as a new thread.
5) Groups.Google can't dig out the original post, or doesn't know what to do
with it?

So this is an example for the question "what happened my post?"
What happened to the original post to which Pegasus replied and which cannot
be seen by OE? I can't figure it out.

-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007

Some quick detective work turned up this link. I'm sure you can figure it
out on your own. ;-)


Paul Randall wrote:
Assuming that you are correct, how would I find the original post for
this reply thread:

http://groups.google.com/g/78d7fef5/...3c1171c515dd26

I just want to know as a learning exercise.

-Paul Randall

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:49:08 -0500, Bob I wrote:

What makes you believe you can remove it?


Most people believe they can because their newsreader has that
function built into it. But what they don't realize is that although
this particular newsgroup is on a server hosted by Microsoft, it is
also echoed to hundreds or thousands of other news servers all over
the world, and that propagation happens very quickly. Even if you
could delete your message from the Microsoft Server, it would have no
effect on the many other servers it had already reached.

For the same reason, not even Microsoft can really remove it.



LOLL wrote:

My post has disappeared, Why would this happen?
Who can remove a post apart from me and Microsoft?

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Not all posts propagate equally over Usenet. So, if the OP (spammer from
what I recall) posted to the vbscript newsgroup (possibly via the MS
news server -- without seeing the headers, I don't know what the path
was, so I don't know which server the OP used) and it was removed from
the MS server (and possibly other servers) shortly after Pegasus
replied, then most of what will be propagated to other news servers
(Usenet is a network) will be the whole thread minus the original post.

So if you downloaded headers (even if from the MS news server) after
Pegasus did, you won't see that original post. And since it didn't
propagate much, Google Groups didn't get the first post. Either that or
they did get it but automatically removed it because of information in
the post's headers. That is why that message is missing from the thread.
However, the link I gave you has the entire thread, featuring the
"censored" first post. So apparently, there was *some* propagation.

Your news reader would have displayed the post had you downloaded
headers at the same time or before Pegasus did. The "sent" date is
irrelevant (and I'm sure the post *was* made on 10/21) as far as what
you are seeing in OE. But perhaps Google Groups removed it specifically
because of the wrong date.

That's all that happened.

Regarding LOLL's question, his posts are still available for all to see.
Then again, they need to know how to use a newsreader or at the least
know how Web interfaces work.


Paul Randall wrote:
No, I can't quite figure it out, Daave.
The link does indeed show the post to which Pegasus was replying,
with the following info, in microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript:

(subject) os and the concept of computer
From: eseco systems
Date Posted: 10/21/2009 10:30:00 AM

OE does not display this post; it does display Pegasus' reply about 45
minutes later, and all subsequent replies. One of those posts by
Pegasus says "... always posting with a date of 21 January 2009".

I infer this to mean:
1) On Oct 21, with his computer clock set to Jan 21, eseco systems
made his post to the newsgroup.
2) The msnews provider thinks the original post actually was on Jan
21, but somehow
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007 knows
when it really was posted. 3) Msnews decides the original post is too
old to be sent to OE as a current thread, or maybe OE doesn't know
what to do with it? 4) Pegasus' reply is displayed in OE as a new
thread. 5) Groups.Google can't dig out the original post, or doesn't
know what to do with it?

So this is an example for the question "what happened my post?"
What happened to the original post to which Pegasus replied and which
cannot be seen by OE? I can't figure it out.

-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007

Some quick detective work turned up this link. I'm sure you can
figure it out on your own. ;-)


Paul Randall wrote:
Assuming that you are correct, how would I find the original post
for this reply thread:

http://groups.google.com/g/78d7fef5/...3c1171c515dd26

I just want to know as a learning exercise.

-Paul Randall

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:49:08 -0500, Bob I
wrote:
What makes you believe you can remove it?


Most people believe they can because their newsreader has that
function built into it. But what they don't realize is that
although this particular newsgroup is on a server hosted by
Microsoft, it is also echoed to hundreds or thousands of other
news servers all over the world, and that propagation happens very
quickly. Even if you could delete your message from the Microsoft
Server, it would have no effect on the many other servers it had
already reached. For the same reason, not even Microsoft can really
remove it.



LOLL wrote:

My post has disappeared, Why would this happen?
Who can remove a post apart from me and Microsoft?

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Thanks for the explaination.
-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
Not all posts propagate equally over Usenet. So, if the OP (spammer from
what I recall) posted to the vbscript newsgroup (possibly via the MS news
server -- without seeing the headers, I don't know what the path was, so I
don't know which server the OP used) and it was removed from the MS server
(and possibly other servers) shortly after Pegasus replied, then most of
what will be propagated to other news servers (Usenet is a network) will
be the whole thread minus the original post.

So if you downloaded headers (even if from the MS news server) after
Pegasus did, you won't see that original post. And since it didn't
propagate much, Google Groups didn't get the first post. Either that or
they did get it but automatically removed it because of information in the
post's headers. That is why that message is missing from the thread.
However, the link I gave you has the entire thread, featuring the
"censored" first post. So apparently, there was *some* propagation.

Your news reader would have displayed the post had you downloaded headers
at the same time or before Pegasus did. The "sent" date is irrelevant (and
I'm sure the post *was* made on 10/21) as far as what you are seeing in
OE. But perhaps Google Groups removed it specifically because of the wrong
date.

That's all that happened.

Regarding LOLL's question, his posts are still available for all to see.
Then again, they need to know how to use a newsreader or at the least know
how Web interfaces work.


Paul Randall wrote:
No, I can't quite figure it out, Daave.
The link does indeed show the post to which Pegasus was replying,
with the following info, in microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript:

(subject) os and the concept of computer
From: eseco systems
Date Posted: 10/21/2009 10:30:00 AM

OE does not display this post; it does display Pegasus' reply about 45
minutes later, and all subsequent replies. One of those posts by
Pegasus says "... always posting with a date of 21 January 2009".

I infer this to mean:
1) On Oct 21, with his computer clock set to Jan 21, eseco systems
made his post to the newsgroup.
2) The msnews provider thinks the original post actually was on Jan
21, but somehow
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007 knows
when it really was posted. 3) Msnews decides the original post is too
old to be sent to OE as a current thread, or maybe OE doesn't know
what to do with it? 4) Pegasus' reply is displayed in OE as a new
thread. 5) Groups.Google can't dig out the original post, or doesn't
know what to do with it?

So this is an example for the question "what happened my post?"
What happened to the original post to which Pegasus replied and which
cannot be seen by OE? I can't figure it out.

-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007

Some quick detective work turned up this link. I'm sure you can
figure it out on your own. ;-)


Paul Randall wrote:
Assuming that you are correct, how would I find the original post
for this reply thread:

http://groups.google.com/g/78d7fef5/...3c1171c515dd26

I just want to know as a learning exercise.

-Paul Randall

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:49:08 -0500, Bob I
wrote:
What makes you believe you can remove it?


Most people believe they can because their newsreader has that
function built into it. But what they don't realize is that
although this particular newsgroup is on a server hosted by
Microsoft, it is also echoed to hundreds or thousands of other
news servers all over the world, and that propagation happens very
quickly. Even if you could delete your message from the Microsoft
Server, it would have no effect on the many other servers it had
already reached. For the same reason, not even Microsoft can really
remove it.



LOLL wrote:

My post has disappeared, Why would this happen?
Who can remove a post apart from me and Microsoft?

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

YW.

Paul Randall wrote:
Thanks for the explaination.
-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
Not all posts propagate equally over Usenet. So, if the OP (spammer
from what I recall) posted to the vbscript newsgroup (possibly via
the MS news server -- without seeing the headers, I don't know what
the path was, so I don't know which server the OP used) and it was
removed from the MS server (and possibly other servers) shortly
after Pegasus replied, then most of what will be propagated to other
news servers (Usenet is a network) will be the whole thread minus
the original post. So if you downloaded headers (even if from the MS
news server) after
Pegasus did, you won't see that original post. And since it didn't
propagate much, Google Groups didn't get the first post. Either that
or they did get it but automatically removed it because of
information in the post's headers. That is why that message is
missing from the thread. However, the link I gave you has the entire
thread, featuring the "censored" first post. So apparently, there
was *some* propagation. Your news reader would have displayed the
post had you downloaded
headers at the same time or before Pegasus did. The "sent" date is
irrelevant (and I'm sure the post *was* made on 10/21) as far as
what you are seeing in OE. But perhaps Google Groups removed it
specifically because of the wrong date.

That's all that happened.

Regarding LOLL's question, his posts are still available for all to
see. Then again, they need to know how to use a newsreader or at the
least know how Web interfaces work.


Paul Randall wrote:
No, I can't quite figure it out, Daave.
The link does indeed show the post to which Pegasus was replying,
with the following info, in microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript:

(subject) os and the concept of computer
From: eseco systems
Date Posted: 10/21/2009 10:30:00 AM

OE does not display this post; it does display Pegasus' reply about
45 minutes later, and all subsequent replies. One of those posts by
Pegasus says "... always posting with a date of 21 January 2009".

I infer this to mean:
1) On Oct 21, with his computer clock set to Jan 21, eseco systems
made his post to the newsgroup.
2) The msnews provider thinks the original post actually was on Jan
21, but somehow
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007 knows
when it really was posted. 3) Msnews decides the original post is
too old to be sent to OE as a current thread, or maybe OE doesn't
know what to do with it? 4) Pegasus' reply is displayed in OE as a
new thread. 5) Groups.Google can't dig out the original post, or
doesn't know what to do with it?

So this is an example for the question "what happened my post?"
What happened to the original post to which Pegasus replied and
which cannot be seen by OE? I can't figure it out.

-Paul Randall

"Daave" wrote in message
...
http://www.developersdex.com/asp/mes...1825&r=6778007

Some quick detective work turned up this link. I'm sure you can
figure it out on your own. ;-)


Paul Randall wrote:
Assuming that you are correct, how would I find the original post
for this reply thread:

http://groups.google.com/g/78d7fef5/...3c1171c515dd26

I just want to know as a learning exercise.

-Paul Randall

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:49:08 -0500, Bob I
wrote:
What makes you believe you can remove it?


Most people believe they can because their newsreader has that
function built into it. But what they don't realize is that
although this particular newsgroup is on a server hosted by
Microsoft, it is also echoed to hundreds or thousands of other
news servers all over the world, and that propagation happens
very quickly. Even if you could delete your message from the
Microsoft Server, it would have no effect on the many other
servers it had already reached. For the same reason, not even
Microsoft can really remove it.



LOLL wrote:

My post has disappeared, Why would this happen?
Who can remove a post apart from me and Microsoft?

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup