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  #31  
Old June 10th 09, 11:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Bill in Co.
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Default How to increase system system performance

Tae Song wrote:
"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.


Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your
measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance figures,
complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can perform the
same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


The write time is much larger for a flash drive.


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  #32  
Old June 10th 09, 11:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Bill in Co.
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Default How to increase system system performance

Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.

Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


I recommend you do some reading about the difference between RAM and flash
memory. It's huge!


Seconded.

Did you actually bother to measure the change in
performance or is this just an idea you have, not backed up by any
reproducible measurements?


the latter - obviously. The bottom line here is that it was, and is, very
bad advice.


  #33  
Old June 10th 09, 11:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Bill in Co.
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Default How to increase system system performance

Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.

Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


I recommend you do some reading about the difference between RAM and flash
memory. It's huge!


Seconded.

Did you actually bother to measure the change in
performance or is this just an idea you have, not backed up by any
reproducible measurements?


the latter - obviously. The bottom line here is that it was, and is, very
bad advice.


  #34  
Old June 10th 09, 11:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Pegasus [MVP]
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Default How to increase system system performance


"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.


Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND flash.
The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel controller,
although they still fall considerably short of the transfer rate possible
from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high speed USB
throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive

Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although rarely
above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400 to 10,000
rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some newer have
3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.


  #35  
Old June 10th 09, 11:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Pegasus [MVP]
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Default How to increase system system performance


"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.


Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND flash.
The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel controller,
although they still fall considerably short of the transfer rate possible
from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high speed USB
throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive

Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although rarely
above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400 to 10,000
rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some newer have
3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.


  #36  
Old June 10th 09, 11:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Peter Foldes
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Default How to increase system system performance

Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express installed.

Huh ??? What are you saying. For sure as I am typing this answer Outlook works
without having to have Outlook Express.

Get your answers straight Tae Song
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  #37  
Old June 10th 09, 11:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Peter Foldes
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Default How to increase system system performance

Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express installed.

Huh ??? What are you saying. For sure as I am typing this answer Outlook works
without having to have Outlook Express.

Get your answers straight Tae Song
--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

  #38  
Old June 10th 09, 11:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Richard Urban
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Default How to increase system system performance

Your snake oil remedies, and advice (except when you state the same thing
that others had stated hours before) leave a lot to be desired. Bad advice
is worse than no advice. Read and learn (in other words - lurk).

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Tae Song" wrote in message
news

"measekite Da Monkey" wrote in message
...


Good question... so I pulled out the flash drive.

I started up Outlook (which today's service pack for Office XP fixed. In
Office XP, Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express
installed. It hadn't worked till early today after the latest update. I
never installed Outlook Express on this Vista system.) I gave me an error
message it couldn't create Normal.dot or something. I didn't make a note
of it, sorry. It didn't display normally. Address bar/field displays
outlook:today, but in the main window it's says Navigation to the webpage
was canceled. Under that, it says What you can try: bullet Retype the
address.

I Open up Word everything seems to be working OK. Few minutes later
message says, "Saving the AutoRecovery file is postponed for Normal.dot."

I opened Access, Power Point, Excel, GIMP (which took much longer than
normal to open). Some minor problems, but nothing catastrophic.

Then I tried replying to this post... it didn't quote your message.

Putting in the flash drive back now.



  #39  
Old June 10th 09, 11:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Richard Urban
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Posts: 728
Default How to increase system system performance

Your snake oil remedies, and advice (except when you state the same thing
that others had stated hours before) leave a lot to be desired. Bad advice
is worse than no advice. Read and learn (in other words - lurk).

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Tae Song" wrote in message
news

"measekite Da Monkey" wrote in message
...


Good question... so I pulled out the flash drive.

I started up Outlook (which today's service pack for Office XP fixed. In
Office XP, Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express
installed. It hadn't worked till early today after the latest update. I
never installed Outlook Express on this Vista system.) I gave me an error
message it couldn't create Normal.dot or something. I didn't make a note
of it, sorry. It didn't display normally. Address bar/field displays
outlook:today, but in the main window it's says Navigation to the webpage
was canceled. Under that, it says What you can try: bullet Retype the
address.

I Open up Word everything seems to be working OK. Few minutes later
message says, "Saving the AutoRecovery file is postponed for Normal.dot."

I opened Access, Power Point, Excel, GIMP (which took much longer than
normal to open). Some minor problems, but nothing catastrophic.

Then I tried replying to this post... it didn't quote your message.

Putting in the flash drive back now.



  #40  
Old June 10th 09, 11:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
propman[_2_]
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Default How to increase system system performance

Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.
Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?

You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND flash.
The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel controller,
although they still fall considerably short of the transfer rate possible
from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high speed USB
throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive

Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although rarely
above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400 to 10,000
rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some newer have
3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.



......and that information address's the following quote how?

quote on
This will cut down on I/O traffic to the hard drive. Starting an app
like Word, would cause the HD to read the program into memory while at
the same time writing into the drive, temporary files. This causes an
I/O queue to form and degrade Windows performance. By off loading some
of the I/O traffic to another storage device, the hard drive read/write
head doesn't have to move around as much either. All performance gains.
quote off


  #41  
Old June 10th 09, 11:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
propman[_2_]
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Default How to increase system system performance

Pegasus [MVP] wrote:
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...
"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.
Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?

You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND flash.
The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel controller,
although they still fall considerably short of the transfer rate possible
from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high speed USB
throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive

Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although rarely
above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400 to 10,000
rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some newer have
3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.



......and that information address's the following quote how?

quote on
This will cut down on I/O traffic to the hard drive. Starting an app
like Word, would cause the HD to read the program into memory while at
the same time writing into the drive, temporary files. This causes an
I/O queue to form and degrade Windows performance. By off loading some
of the I/O traffic to another storage device, the hard drive read/write
head doesn't have to move around as much either. All performance gains.
quote off


  #42  
Old June 11th 09, 01:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tae Song
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Default How to increase system system performance


"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...
Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express installed.


Huh ??? What are you saying. For sure as I am typing this answer Outlook
works without having to have Outlook Express.

Get your answers straight Tae Song
--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.


For certain, if you install Office XP without Outlook Express on Vista.
Outlook will come back with a message saying install Outlook Express.
Outlook runs on top of Outlook Express.

I was using Windows Live Mail, so I didn't bother. I noticed they released
a service pack for Office XP today and by accident I startup Outlook and
noticed I could get in.



  #43  
Old June 11th 09, 01:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tae Song
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Posts: 100
Default How to increase system system performance


"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...
Outlook does not work if you don't already have Outlook Express installed.


Huh ??? What are you saying. For sure as I am typing this answer Outlook
works without having to have Outlook Express.

Get your answers straight Tae Song
--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.


For certain, if you install Office XP without Outlook Express on Vista.
Outlook will come back with a message saying install Outlook Express.
Outlook runs on top of Outlook Express.

I was using Windows Live Mail, so I didn't bother. I noticed they released
a service pack for Office XP today and by accident I startup Outlook and
noticed I could get in.



  #44  
Old June 11th 09, 01:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tae Song
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Posts: 100
Default How to increase system system performance


"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.

Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND
flash. The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel
controller, although they still fall considerably short of the transfer
rate possible from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high
speed USB throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive


It says "currently" , but it doesn't say when it was written.

Microsoft offers Readyboost, so perhaps things have changed since this was
written.


Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although
rarely above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400
to 10,000 rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some
newer have 3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.


My configuration isn't going to be the same as yours.

Anyways it doesn't take any kind of test to know USB mass storage is still
very fast.

  #45  
Old June 11th 09, 01:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tae Song
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Posts: 100
Default How to increase system system performance


"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote in message
...

"Tae Song" wrote in message
...
I thought I would share this with you all, a few little tricks to boost
Windows performance.

Seeing that flash drives are much slower than hard disks, I wonder if
your measures have the desired effect. Could we have some performance
figures, complete with the test methods you applied so that anyone can
perform the same tests on his machine?


You have to take in to account access hard drives are mechanical and have
access time of ms, where as flash drives have an access time down in to
nanoseconds.


Try this short paragraph for a starter:
"Modern flash drives have USB 2.0 connectivity. However, they do not
currently use the full 480 Mbit/s (60MB/s) the USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
specification supports due to technical limitations inherent in NAND
flash. The fastest drives currently available use a dual channel
controller, although they still fall considerably short of the transfer
rate possible from a current generation hard disk, or the maximum high
speed USB throughput."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive


It says "currently" , but it doesn't say when it was written.

Microsoft offers Readyboost, so perhaps things have changed since this was
written.


Or this:
"A typical "desktop HDD" might store between 120 GB and 2 TB although
rarely above 500GB of data (based on US market data[14]) rotate at 5,400
to 10,000 rpm and have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher. Some
newer have 3Gbit/s."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk

Now go and do some actual measurements before claiming that your idea will
"increase" performance. It won't.


My configuration isn't going to be the same as yours.

Anyways it doesn't take any kind of test to know USB mass storage is still
very fast.

 




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