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  #31  
Old January 7th 04, 10:28 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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Default How Move OS XP from Old to New HD?

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again

changing
the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions

to
download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337216
|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP Home.
I'm downloading a different file. XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back
yet.


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  #32  
Old January 7th 04, 10:28 PM
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/


I haven't decided which one yet.


- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.


- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


No surprises there, cant see that the use of cable
select has any relevance at all to that problem.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions
to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I
should put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another.


Thats completely mad. That config does certainly ensure that
the clone is done as quickly as possible but it has absolutely
nothing to do with the reason why the clone isnt bootable.

He explained the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way.


Yes, but that only affects the speed of
the cloning. Not the quality of the result.

He also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image.


Which presumably means they have seen quite a few
complaints that MaxBlast doesnt work properly with XP.

Then we got disconnected.


I'd have hung up on him myself, tried again
to see if I would get a less clueless monkey.

The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should
boot with my Win XP CD, go into the BIOS, and repair.


That will work, but can be a problem with activation with XP Home.

In alternative, he suggested Ghost or Drive Image.


Looks like they realise that MaxBlast has a problem with XP.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs.
I gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else.


They clearly have gone to the trouble of producing
MaxBlast and the FAQs for people like you tho.

They have never been exactly what you might call rock solid with MaxBlast.

I only paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor
couldn't have made too much off me.)


Sure, they arent likely to make any profit from you at all.
But its all about swings and roundabouts in that business.

And the setup would have been easy
if all I wanted was additional storage.


Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.

I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs for.


Yeah, but its not really a very good way to do things
because the new drive will normally be noticeably faster
than the original drive and should be used for the boot drive.

The hard drive manufacturers should have got their act
into gear on cloning the boot drive by now. Its clearly
possible because ghost and drive image can do it.

And the drive manufacturer's ute should be completely
unambiguous about unplugging the original drive for
the first boot after the clone has been done with XP
too. No rocket science required and one hell of an
inditement that it hasnt been completely fixed by now.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.



  #33  
Old January 7th 04, 10:28 PM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:


ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP Home.
I'm downloading a different file.


SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back


Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)



  #34  
Old January 7th 04, 10:28 PM
I'm Dan
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"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote:
It didn't work.
MaxBlast seemed to copy all (except a few unnecessary)
files. I shut down unplugged the old drive Restarted
a message displayed: Operating System Not Found

I shut down re-plugged in the old drive restarted
like normal the old drive is still the C drive.


"Operating System Not Found" often means the partition
was not set as "active". Do you know if the new partition
has been marked active in its partition table?


In XP's Computer Management Disk Management Top
right window Status Column the E drive, the new drive,
is listed as Healthy (Active) and the C drive, the old drive,
is listed as Healthy (System). In MaxBlast 3 there's no way,
that I can see, of looking at a partition to see whether it's
active or not, but you can run the program to *set up* the
new drive up as a boot drive. I'm going to try running
MaxBlast again - but this time I'm going to run it using the
set up operation rather than the copy operation that I used
last time.


Okay, well I see an eventual problem (new drive having a drive letter
already), but that's not the source of your "op sys not found" error.

Checking in Comp Mgmt won't tell you anything because when you're booting
the old drive, the old drive is the active one. What we want to know is
what is happening when you boot the new drive. I was hoping MaxBlast might
tell you that, but I guess not. MbrWork will.


Check if MaxBlast has that as a menu option. If it
doesn't, download the freeware MbrWork from
http://www.bootitng.com/utilities.html. Boot from a
floppy disk, run mbrwork.exe and use its "Set a
partition active" option.


I tried running MbrWork, but just after its DOS window
appeared, an alert labeled MS-DOS Sub system said,
An application has attempted to access the hard drive,
which can't be supported. This may cause the application
to function incorrectly. To close the application press
Close. There was also an Ignore button, but it had the
same effect as the Close button, closing MbrWork.


Obviously, you're trying to run MbrWork while booted from the old drive.
You cannot run MbrWork from within XP -- that's one of XP's ... er,
"improvements" -- it blocks programs from accessing the hardware. As I
said, you need to boot from a floppy, such as a Win98 boot disk, and run
MbrWork from there. You also should remove the new disk so you don't
confuse yourself as to which hard disk MbrWork is working on. You obviously
have the new disk still installed.




  #35  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
J.Clarke
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:25:55 GMT
"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote:

- Nehmo -
If running the MaxBlast setup operation
doesn't work, I going to get a copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/


I haven't decided which one yet.


- Rod Speed -
xxclone is free so it makes a lot of sense to try that.


- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the directions
to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule link:
ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar|73337
216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

I called Maxtor tech support, 800 262 9867, and one guy said I should
put one drive on one ATA cable and the other on another. He explained
the drives were less likely to interfere with each other that way. He
also suggested getting Ghost or Drive Image. Then we got disconnected.
The next guy said one cable was fine, and I should boot with my Win XP
CD, go into the BIOS, and repair. In alternative, he suggested Ghost
or Drive Image.

Maxtor probably does the lion's share of its business with OEMs. I
gather people like me are a nuisance more than anything else. I only
paid hundred for the drive. (Maxtor couldn't have made too much off
me.) And the setup would have been easy if all I wanted was additional
storage. I think that's probably what most people use additional HDs
for.

- Rod Speed -
The choice between ghost and drive image is a bit tricky currently
and they are both owned by symantec now, and it isnt clear what
symantec plans to do, unlikely that both will continue forever.

ghost is amazingly cheap as part of systemworks
pro 2003 when bought from ebay etc. Has quite
decent support for external hard drives, but is rather
primitive in that everything is done at the dos level.

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.


FWIW, I had occasion to upgrade my XP box today--downloaded the latest
Drive Image, installed it, hooked up the new drive, told it to copy, was
surprised that it copied the whole boot drive right over and that after
I pulled the old drive the new one came right up. Haven't tried
_imaging_ the boot drive, but copying worked fine.


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  #36  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
Robert Marshall
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Ghost is rock solid and darn nearly bullet-proof. Go with that if you
have the choice.

Robert

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:

...If running the MaxBlast setup operation doesn't work, I going to get a
copy of.
Ghost http://www.ghost-norton.com/
Drive Image http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/
Or XXCLONE http://www.xxclone.com/

I haven't decided which one yet.


  #37  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system keeps shutting
down by itself. It runns for about five minutes. I can't start system
restore. It says application encountered a problem and needs to close -
this even before it opens. Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before
it crashses again.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule

link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.


SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back


Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)





  #38  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.


I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 , eMule

link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/


- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.


SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back


Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)







  #39  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
Jim Walker
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Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.

Rod
I have a question related to your statement. I am going to clone to an
external USB HD. I have Drive Image 2002 (same as Drive Image 6) and I
can't do a copy to the USB drive. The info on Drive Image 7 says that USB
is supported. It is unclear if all of that can be done in Windows or DOS.
The new Ghost also states that USB is supported. I will buy one or the
other. Any thoughts?


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  #40  
Old January 7th 04, 10:29 PM
tomcas
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.

I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk Manager
2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless.


  #41  
Old January 7th 04, 10:30 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


Nehmo - Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.
I'm using old drive too.



"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 ,

eMule
link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP

Home.
I'm downloading a different file.

SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back

Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)









  #42  
Old January 7th 04, 10:30 PM
Rod Speed
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote


- Nehmo -
I used XXCLONE, and it apparently worked. But the system
keeps shutting down by itself. It runns for about five minutes.
I can't start system restore. It says application encountered
a problem and needs to close - this even before it opens.
Word starts funny too. I'm sending now before it crashses again.


What does the event log say about what the problem is ?


Nehmo - Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.


Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/
Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System

I'm using old drive too.


Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget,
that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its
likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons.

Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors.


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message
...

- Nehmo -
Using MaxBlast again, following the instructions exactly, again
changing the jumpers and connections, the effort failed again.

I'm waiting for XXCLONE to send me a return email with the
directions to download. Meanwhile, I'm getting Ghost v 8.0 ,

eMule
link:

ed2k://|file|Symantec.Ghost.v8.0.Corporate-SOS.ShareReactor.rar
|73337216|C723067A2BFF7BC3B67357DAD04FDF85|/

- Nehmo -
That was the wrong version of Ghost. It says it won't run on XP
Home.
I'm downloading a different file.

SystemWorks Pro 2003 works fine. Must be Pro,
SystemWorks 2003 doesnt have ghost included.

XXCLONE hasn't sent me an email back

Maybe the holiday season effect. Ken may still be
sleeping off the drunken newyears eve celebrations |-)











  #43  
Old January 7th 04, 10:30 PM
Rod Speed
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tomcas wrote in
message news
Rod Speed wrote

Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless
with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family.


I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk
Manager 2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless.


Not as far as bashing you over the head with the fact that
the original drive needs to be physically unplugged for the
first boot after the clone of the original boot drive it isnt.

Thats the main thing that fangs inexperienced users on the
bum time after time after time with the NT/2K/XP family.


  #44  
Old January 7th 04, 10:30 PM
Rod Speed
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Jim Walker wrote in message
...

Drive Image is rather more powerful in that many of the
operations are done at the Win level, which means that
whatever is working currently with external drives at the
win level is available for image files. But you still cant
image the boot partition at the win level, so that can
be a big problem with external drives, because it doesnt
prove any dos driver for those. And its relatively expensive
basically because ghost is so cheap currently.


I have a question related to your statement.
I am going to clone to an external USB HD.


You do actually mean clone and not write the image file to
the USB drive dont you ? Thats one area where there is lots
of confusion with imaging programs that will also clone. They
are quite different operations and both ghost and DI can do both.

You wouldnt normally want to CLONE to a USB HD because
you wouldnt normally want to boot from that cloned drive.

I have Drive Image 2002 (same as Drive Image 6)
and I can't do a copy to the USB drive.


You should be able to do that with other
than the drive you are booted from.

You cant do that with the drive that DI has been booted from.

The info on Drive Image 7 says that USB is supported.


Yes.

It is unclear if all of that can be done in Windows or DOS.


It is done at the Win level with 7, but clearly restoration from
an IMAGE file on a USB drive with say no bootable hard drive
is more tricky. The user manual just makes a VERY cryptic
comment that
• Must have supported storage

device drivers to restore from

PQRE; could require additional

media along with the

PowerQuest recovery CD

Its not clear to me just what they are saying there with USB
external hard drives and either the restore from the USB drive
on a boot drive failure or a reverse clone, back from the USB
drive to the new replacement internal drive on drive failure.

You'd normally boot from the distribution CD to
do that and its not completely clear if that does
support all USB drives in that particular situation.

The new Ghost also states that USB is supported.


Yeah, but its even vaguer about exactly what is supported,
particularly in the situation where the main boot drive has
failed and you want to restore from an image file on the
USB external hard drive to the replacement boot drive.
Certainly Ghost 2003 uses dos USB drivers in that situation
and its not clear if Ghost 2004 is any different on that.

I will buy one or the other. Any thoughts?


Short story is that I havent gotten around to trying that
particular situaiton carefully with external USB or firewire drives.

Both have fully functional demo versions for download so
one obvious approach is to try those and see how it goes
if you have a spare hard drive to try restoring to from the
external drive for a test.

I havent check for reviews on that either.

The other thing worth checking is V2i Protector which goes
much further than Drive Image, doing fully automatic incremental
backups at the Win level as well as crude brute force images.
That should ensure that you are much more likely to be fully
backed up at hard drive death time than with ghost or DI.


  #45  
Old January 7th 04, 10:30 PM
Nehmo Sergheyev
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- Nehmo -
Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns.
- Rod Speed -
Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/
Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System

- Nehmo -
I'm using old drive too.

- Rod Speed -
Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget,
that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its
likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons.

Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors.

- Nehmo -
I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything that
looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for.

I called a friend of mine, Bret, who used to work at Cisco (and now is
trying to run a FIGHT studio. He had his first two customers yesterday.)
.. When I explained, Bret said, "I'm 99% sure, and I don't usually say
that, that it has something to do with the power settings." On his
direction, I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same
thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No
restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think

things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet.

Now I have to get back to the drive problem.

I've unplugged and replugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long
nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have
come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though.

Bret said I should just use Ghost. He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE.


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