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MS Works [ Atlantis Word Processor]
On 2/13/14 7:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Neither Windows 7, nor any other version of Windows (except Windows 8 RT), has ever included Works, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, nor any other significant application software. Such programs have to be bought, either by themselves or as part of Microsoft Office. But Works used to be bundled with other software packages on some computer systems. My Dell with Win 98 came with version 4 of Works. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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MS Works [ Atlantis Word Processor]
In message , Ken Blake
writes: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Works. Neither Windows 7, nor any other version of Windows (except Windows 8 RT), has ever included Works, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, nor any other significant application software. Such programs have to be bought, either by themselves or as part of Microsoft Office. The last few versions of Works came with Word as their WP rather than the original Works one. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Eve had an Apple, Adam had a Wang... |
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MS Works [ Atlantis Word Processor]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) typed: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Actually they were a separate product from MS Works. And they came under the following names: Home Essentials 97 Home Essentials 98 Works Suite 99 Works Deluxe 99 Works Suite 2000 Works Suite 2001 Works Suite 2002 Works Suite 2003 Works Suite 2004 Works Suite 2005 Works Suite 2006 Works Plus 2008 They included a lot more than just Word (except for Works Plus 2008). For example, Works Suite 2006 also included Encarta Standard, Money, Streets and Trips Essentials, and Digital Image Standard. The Chicago Tribune called them as "one of the best bargains ever offered." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Works -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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MS Works [ Atlantis Word Processor]
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:17:32 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 2/13/14 7:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Neither Windows 7, nor any other version of Windows (except Windows 8 RT), has ever included Works, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, nor any other significant application software. Such programs have to be bought, either by themselves or as part of Microsoft Office. But Works used to be bundled with other software packages on some computer systems. My Dell with Win 98 came with version 4 of Works. Yes, but it was bundled by Dell in what they sold you. It did *not* come with Windows. Some OEM machines were also bundled with Microsoft Office. |
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:17:31 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Works. Ah, sorry for misunderstanding you. |
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MS Works [ Atlantis Word Processor]
On 2/14/14 8:37 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:17:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 2/13/14 7:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Neither Windows 7, nor any other version of Windows (except Windows 8 RT), has ever included Works, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, nor any other significant application software. Such programs have to be bought, either by themselves or as part of Microsoft Office. But Works used to be bundled with other software packages on some computer systems. My Dell with Win 98 came with version 4 of Works. Yes, but it was bundled by Dell in what they sold you. It did *not* come with Windows. Some OEM machines were also bundled with Microsoft Office. Agreed, but I didn't intentionally mean to imply it was part of Windows. Just that it was a separate program included with some computer packages. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:14:03 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 2/13/14 7:37 PM, Mayayana wrote: | So which browser would you recommend that people use? I don't know. As I was saying earlier, I feel that there just isn't any good option now. My view is that each person should decide for himself which browser best meets his needs and likes. We all have different standards and what's best for one of us isn't necessarily best for everyone else. Personally I like Maxthon the best. I don't want to recommend that everyone use it, but do recommend that everyone at least give it a try and see how they like it. And I feel the same way about all kinds of software, not just browsers. |
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In message , BillW50
writes: In , J. P. Gilliver (John) typed: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Actually they were a separate product from MS Works. And they came under the following names: Home Essentials 97 Home Essentials 98 Works Suite 99 Works Deluxe 99 Works Suite 2000 Works Suite 2001 Works Suite 2002 Works Suite 2003 Works Suite 2004 Works Suite 2005 Works Suite 2006 Works Plus 2008 OK, you got me! I remembered seeing _something_ with the word "Works" somewhere on the packaging, but that included Word. They included a lot more than just Word (except for Works Plus 2008). For example, Works Suite 2006 also included Encarta Standard, Money, Oh yes, I remember those (vaguely!) now. Streets and Trips Essentials, and Digital Image Standard. The Chicago Tribune called them as "one of the best bargains ever offered." It might well have been, at that time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Works Thanks for that. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The voices of Radio 4 continuity and newsreading have been keeping me right for as long as I can remember. I can call on a million different information sources, but it doesn't make sense unti I've heard it from Peter, Harriet, Charlotte and the rest.- Eddie Mair in Radio Times 10-16 November 2012 |
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:40:17 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 2/14/14 8:37 AM, Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:17:32 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 2/13/14 7:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:55:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Springer writes: [] I've never used Works, nor had a copy past vers. 4, but I've always felt the later versions of Works had about the same abilities of Word 6, more or less. Well, the very last few versions, I think, actually came with Word, rather than the Works word processor. Last few versions of what? Windows? Neither Windows 7, nor any other version of Windows (except Windows 8 RT), has ever included Works, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, nor any other significant application software. Such programs have to be bought, either by themselves or as part of Microsoft Office. But Works used to be bundled with other software packages on some computer systems. My Dell with Win 98 came with version 4 of Works. Yes, but it was bundled by Dell in what they sold you. It did *not* come with Windows. Some OEM machines were also bundled with Microsoft Office. Agreed, but I didn't intentionally mean to imply it was part of Windows. Just that it was a separate program included with some computer packages. OK, but when your reply began with "but," I assumed that you were disagreeing with what I said. Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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On 2/13/2014, Ken Springer posted:
Spam's been around forever but while the Internet population was small, sending spam wasn't very profitable and there was a much smaller amount of it. At least since World War II. Made by Hormel. LOL Sorry folks, couldn't resist! After being in the Army during WWII, my father was forever *totally* able to resist Spam. Sorry Ken, couldn't resist! -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 13/02/2014 9:37 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| So which browser would you recommend that people use? I don't know. As I was saying earlier, I feel that there just isn't any good option now. I'm just hoping that more people will begin to stop and decide that all the commercialization and intrusion of privacy has gone too far. Then maybe the whole medium could be improved. I usually install Firefox or Pale Moon for friends, but I think of those as the lesser of the evils. I would never use IE online, and would never use Chrome at all. (I know a great deal about IE. I know very little about Chrome. But Google clearly doesn't want to protect privacy or serve the public good. To a great extent they're responsible for the Internet being reduced to a retail shopping venue. By ranking sites based partly on incoming links they've essentially removed small, non-commercial sites from the Web. I rarely even use their search engine any more. The links now all go through the Google server as a proxy, to allow full tracking of all activity on their page and to send ahead ID data to the destination website. And for anyone who allows Google to track them, even the search results themselves are skewed by Google.) FF and PM are pretty good for me personally, but I know a lot about how to customize them and control their behavior, despite that the Mozilla people keep changing it. For the average person who doesn't deal with browser settings at all, much less Mozilla prefs settings, HOSTS, or userContent.css, I just think of FF/PM as currently being the least bad in terms of privacy and security. I'd certainly be interested to hear if someone knows a better option. I'm not aware of any. No matter how many times I change, I usually go back to Firefox (with all of its blatant flaws) as a result of its support for HTTPS Everywhere and Ghostery. Those two add-ons improve the browsing experience tremendously and it's very hard to ignore that. I don't know how far Google's involvement in developing Firefox goes but I'll have to hope that their lack of respect for peoples' privacy doesn't influence the code too greatly. -- Silver Slimer 'Linux ****' on google.ca = About 5,460,000 results (0.30 seconds) |
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| No matter how many times I change, I usually go back to Firefox (with
| all of its blatant flaws) as a result of its support for HTTPS | Everywhere and Ghostery. Those two add-ons improve the browsing | experience tremendously and it's very hard to ignore that. I don't know | how far Google's involvement in developing Firefox goes but I'll have to | hope that their lack of respect for peoples' privacy doesn't influence | the code too greatly. I read your post and then went to look at today's tech news and found this: http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-clarifi...on-7000026335/ Mitchell Baker, head of Mozilla, trying to justify ads in Firefox. She has a hard time even acknowledging that they're ads, preferring to cast them as useful features for Firefox fans. Further on she explains that the ads are part of a plan to finance Firefox OS. It seems to be an interesting pickle: Mozilla is becoming corrupted as it turns toward a services approach and removes customizing functionality that interferes with commercialism. On the other hand, Baker has a point. An increasing number of people just want easy services and don't much care about software options. And I suppose that if I ever decide to buy a "smart phone", I'd rather have one with Firefox OS than Windows, Android, or Apple iOS.... but only assuming that Firefox OS doesn't end up commercializing in the process of becoming Firefox OS. |
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On 15/02/2014 9:38 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| No matter how many times I change, I usually go back to Firefox (with | all of its blatant flaws) as a result of its support for HTTPS | Everywhere and Ghostery. Those two add-ons improve the browsing | experience tremendously and it's very hard to ignore that. I don't know | how far Google's involvement in developing Firefox goes but I'll have to | hope that their lack of respect for peoples' privacy doesn't influence | the code too greatly. I read your post and then went to look at today's tech news and found this: http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-clarifi...on-7000026335/ Mitchell Baker, head of Mozilla, trying to justify ads in Firefox. She has a hard time even acknowledging that they're ads, preferring to cast them as useful features for Firefox fans. Further on she explains that the ads are part of a plan to finance Firefox OS. It seems to be an interesting pickle: Mozilla is becoming corrupted as it turns toward a services approach and removes customizing functionality that interferes with commercialism. On the other hand, Baker has a point. An increasing number of people just want easy services and don't much care about software options. And I suppose that if I ever decide to buy a "smart phone", I'd rather have one with Firefox OS than Windows, Android, or Apple iOS.... but only assuming that Firefox OS doesn't end up commercializing in the process of becoming Firefox OS. Since that post, Firefox twice became stuck in memory and forced me to kill it from within the Task Manager. Essentially, the program has thrown away the last chance I was willing to give it. -- Silver Slimer |
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| Since that post, Firefox twice became stuck in memory and forced me to
| kill it from within the Task Manager. Essentially, the program has | thrown away the last chance I was willing to give it. Interesting. I haven't had even one problem with FF or Pale Moon for years. But you seem to be on Win7-64, while I only use Win7 for testing software and such. I mainly use XP-32. Maybe the 64-bit version is not as stable? I don't know. I also don't use tabs. When I hear of people complaining about browsers it's often the case that they're never closing tabs during a browsing session. I imagine that numerous open tabs updating might be quite a strain on Firefox. One thing I do that also might affect that is that I set accessibility.blockautorefresh to True. Though I didn't choose the setting for stability. I have two other reasons: 1) It drives me crazy when I'm reading a news article and it suddenly reloads by itself. 2) Some sites will load a perfectly usable page but then replace it, when they detect I have javascript disabled, with a blank page that says, "Sorry, this page requires javascript." |
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Gene E. Bloch posted this via news:ldlqnm$ffl
: On 2/13/2014, Ken Springer posted: Spam's been around forever but while the Internet population was small, sending spam wasn't very profitable and there was a much smaller amount of it. At least since World War II. Made by Hormel. LOL Sorry folks, couldn't resist! After being in the Army during WWII, my father was forever *totally* able to resist Spam. Sorry Ken, couldn't resist! Being stationed overseas with the US Military, Spam is such a desired product by the natives that the exchanges and commissaries actually monitor and control its distribution (as well as certain other black-marketable items) using a "Ration-Card" system. It was presented to me in Japan after being prepared by cooking smothered in garlic, onions and mushrooms. I asked what it was. They said "dog." I almost vomited. They laughed and said "Naw, it's just Spam!" Then, I thought it actually tasted quite good. HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and FYI : Of course God loves *everybody* equally... He's just got a really strange sense of humor. http://tinyurl.com/7fude4d |
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