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I tried to install Word again but it didn't accept
the license key. I thought this time it would because the Windows activation worked and that accepted the license key. Strange,.... and if I recall I had Word on it before. Robert |
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I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul I was thinking since we have the 780 activated about the internal speakers again. Since we had to download over 270 updates and reinstall everything is it possible we also have to re-install the drivers for the internal speaker? I did a search and found this: https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453 If you scroll halfway down you'll find this: The internal business speaker doesn't work with windows 7 or 8 or 10 without installing the OEM soundmax driver. Until you install that driver it won't work. The Business speaker is OPTIONAL however. I found this for Soundmax drivers: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds003543 I know it worked before. I just thought if its simple as downloading drivers then maybe I would try it but I don't know which drivers to look for or which ones I should download? Thoughts/suggestions? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul I was thinking since we have the 780 activated about the internal speakers again. Since we had to download over 270 updates and reinstall everything is it possible we also have to re-install the drivers for the internal speaker? I did a search and found this: https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453 If you scroll halfway down you'll find this: The internal business speaker doesn't work with windows 7 or 8 or 10 without installing the OEM soundmax driver. Until you install that driver it won't work. The Business speaker is OPTIONAL however. I found this for Soundmax drivers: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds003543 I know it worked before. I just thought if its simple as downloading drivers then maybe I would try it but I don't know which drivers to look for or which ones I should download? Thoughts/suggestions? Robert There are two sound devices on the 780 MT. The built-in stereo speaker assembly is on top of the lower hard drive cage. XXXX === circular disc with PCB on top = audio speaker Hard Drive Tray 1 Hard Drive Tray 2 XX X X === round black piezo XX soldered to motherboard = "beeps twice on disk error" The SoundMax could be driving the XXXX one as a kind of LineOut or HeadPhones channel. If you look in Program Files x86, there is an Analog Devices. I have a SoundMax on the machine I'm typing on. My Analog Devices folder has two folders. Core === very basic sound SoundMAX === fancy control panel (SMax4.exe) sits in the tray - but none provided on Optiplex 780! https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453 This is the download, (6,697,648 bytes) http://downloads.dell.com/audio/ANAL...11_R297758.exe When unpacked, that has a Setup.exe in it. It will install in Program Files x86. The System32 folder ends up with x64 driver files, but the "control panel", as pathetic as it is, lives in the Program Files x86 folder. In any case, C:\Program Files x86\Analog Devices should end up with two folders after that is installed. The HDAudio codec chip used is an AD1984A. VEN_11D4&DEV_194A&SUBSYS_10280420 11d4 Analog Devices 0078 AD1986HD sound chip 1535 Blackfin BF535 processor 1805 SM56 PCI modem 1889 AD1889 sound chip 194a AD1984A sound chip === This is your chip type, a "laptop" chip with stereo in and stereo out, no 5.1 as there aren't enough jacks on the back Table 3. Typical Notebook Configuration with Dock Interface [from 1984A datasheet] Port Function Port A Headphone Port B Microphone Port C Internal Microphone Port D Dock Line-Out/Headphone === back panel, lime green ? Port E Dock Line-In/Microphone Port F Internal Stereo Speakers === select circular spkr ? S/PDIF Optical/RCA S/PDIF Output ******* v.6.10.2.7280, A11 Dell versus Lenovo 6.10.2.7255 ******* OK, let's look at the Lenovo driver. https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...s/7ka216ww.exe The Lenovo INF doesn't match on SUBSYS, so the driver doesn't actually install. Looks like the Dell driver wins this round, even if it completely lacks the right control panel. This, I suppose, is their idea of "sound for business systems". Stereo audio. Summary: 1) Install the ANALOG-DEVICES_ADI-198X-INTE_A11_R297758.exe [Dell] 2) With external computer speakers not plugged into the computer, the circular assembly on top of the drive cage, emits Windows sounds and your music CDs. This is what you should hear now. 3) With the external computer speakers plugged into the rear Lime port, the internal speaker is disabled. 4) Since HDAudio codecs have sufficient channels for (2) and (3), there is no "hardware switching" like the old days, using side contacts in the jacks. The switching is totally digital. The sound chip "senses" (3), and the driver knows it should disable the internal speaker. Analog Devices has a patented method for sensing electrical loads (RealTek doesn't have it). There might also be a BIOS setting for audio (if it won't install). The Win7 tray icon should indicate if an audio driver got installed. Windows 7 would also support "sound over HDMI", if you have an optional Nvidia video card plugged into the 780, and used an HDMI cable to a computer monitor that has its own speakers. You will need to use the Windows generic audio tray icon to control the sound after the SoundMax is installed. This is because the laptop chip apparently doesn't get the fancy control panel. This is what SMax4.exe looks like (the localization here is German, but you get the idea...). That thing can also include a graphic equalizer that uses the CPU to do the necessary DSP (this allows balancing your speakers, or "compensating for heavy drapes" in a room). I have one of these on my typing machine. The graphic equalizer is missing from this picture (probably turned off somewhere). https://www.digitalbreed.com/wp-cont...-stereomix.png The SMax4pnp.exe connects the HDAudio to the Windows 7 generic controls, as far as I know. Good luck with the Dell driver, it should bring the sound back. If there is already a SoundMax driver, the installer panel will confirm it is removing that first, before installing the new driver. Paul |
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Good luck with the Dell driver, it should bring the sound back. If there is already a SoundMax driver, the installer panel will confirm it is removing that first, before installing the new driver. Paul Success ! The 780 internal speaker works again! Great! The 780 is back again minus only Word and Excel Thanks, Robert |
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I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul The thought occurred to me that since we restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates that we erased the Win10 license key in the process. So my question is how do I know if I still have the Win10 license key should I ever need it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there a way to check if I still have the license key? Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it should still be there. We just didn't create a separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of wish I did now. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul The thought occurred to me that since we restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates that we erased the Win10 license key in the process. So my question is how do I know if I still have the Win10 license key should I ever need it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there a way to check if I still have the license key? Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it should still be there. We just didn't create a separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of wish I did now. Robert Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS correctly, should be bootable all by itself. You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable the Win7 drive uses. If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license status (the OS should still be activated). If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the 780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when asked for a license key, and the installer will license and activate the OS all by itself. With the usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards. Paul |
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 12:46:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul The thought occurred to me that since we restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates that we erased the Win10 license key in the process. So my question is how do I know if I still have the Win10 license key should I ever need it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there a way to check if I still have the license key? Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it should still be there. We just didn't create a separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of wish I did now. Robert Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS correctly, should be bootable all by itself. You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable the Win7 drive uses. If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license status (the OS should still be activated). If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the 780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when asked for a license key, and the installer will license and activate the OS all by itself. With the usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards. Paul I might switch the HD's in the 780 next time to see if it boots. If I need to reinstall Win10 I'm going to need some guidance like where to start again. How would it work with the 8500 since I didn't create a HD for it but only obtained the license key. How do I know it will work? Do I do the slmgr/dlv command to find out? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 12:46:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: I'm just glad the computer let you finish! Paul The thought occurred to me that since we restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates that we erased the Win10 license key in the process. So my question is how do I know if I still have the Win10 license key should I ever need it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there a way to check if I still have the license key? Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it should still be there. We just didn't create a separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of wish I did now. Robert Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS correctly, should be bootable all by itself. You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable the Win7 drive uses. If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license status (the OS should still be activated). If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the 780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when asked for a license key, and the installer will license and activate the OS all by itself. With the usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards. Paul I might switch the HD's in the 780 next time to see if it boots. If I need to reinstall Win10 I'm going to need some guidance like where to start again. How would it work with the 8500 since I didn't create a HD for it but only obtained the license key. How do I know it will work? Do I do the slmgr/dlv command to find out? Robert Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments. You could put the spare in the 8500, by itself, boot the Win10 DVD you made, and do a Windows 10 Professional install on it. At the beginning, select Custom, select the partitions on the disk and delete them. The installer can make whatever partitions it wants after that. Later, when the install is finished, you make a local account (there is a button on the lower left for local account). For the license key step, you can select "Skip" to make sure it activates without any help. Running slmgr /dlv kater will give the details. Then move the spare drive back to the 780, boot the DVD, erase the partitions, and have it reinstall over there. Skip the license key entry. Verify afterwards that it activated by itself, and OK. That sequence would leave (for the time being) a disk suitable for the 780 at the end, since you are doing the 780 second. Paul |
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Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments. You could put the spare in the 8500,... I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although its still booting into the Admin account even though I created a user account. How do I get it to login to the user account where I don't have to type my password each and every time? Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500 as well. What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that? I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this. Robert |
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Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments. You could put the spare in the 8500,... I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although its still booting into the Admin account even though I created a user account. How do I get it to login to the user account where I don't have to type my password each and every time? Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500 as well. What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that? I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this. Robert In the right-click Start and then Run box, type netplwiz Click the user account you want to log into without a password. Remember to adjust the tick box at the top, so that it prompts (within the Netplwiz window) for the password. You have to enter the password twice there for confirmation. There's an Apply button. On the next reboot, it should boot into the desktop, as the unelevated user you created separately. It uses the password you typed in twice in Netplwiz, as the password to be entered automatically. ******* I don't know what is on your Patriot stick right now, because you might have tried to put a Macrium on there as well. An installer image has a sources/ folder with either a ~4GB "install.wim" or "install.esd". Opening the files with 7ZIP (the install.wim or install.esd), there will be a series of numbered folders 1,2,3,4,5... plus a single XML file at the bottom of the list. It is the XML file (which can be opened in Notepad or Wordpad), which lists the OSes available on the image. Like Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Professional (the one you want), Windows 10 Workstation, or whatever. A Macrium USB key, has at least one .wim file, but it is something the USB stick boots with. Macrium keys have "Version" and "PEVersion" files, both of which are text and open in Notepad. You should be able to examine the Patriot and get some idea what is on it, without booting it to test. The reason 7ZIP is needed to open a .wim or .esd, is because they are not .zip or .cab files. Windows has some tools fpr ..zip and .cab files (which allows "extracting" stuff). But there are many other compression formats that Windows cares not to expose. And that's when 7ZIP comes in handy. 7ZIP doesn't open InstallShield, Wise installer, or UPX packed files - it's not a can opener for packers, just for certain archival formats. I don't have a good unpackers kit (you'd need around 30 tools for that). It's time consuming to collect the whole set of them. Developers rely on them to "hide" what is in files (which is *not* a good practice). You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement). Paul |
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You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement). Paul This is what's on the Patriot: https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3 I looked into programs then downloads and found this: https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that? Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R? Thanks, Robert Robert Robert |
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 10:31:01 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement). Paul This is what's on the Patriot: https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3 I looked into programs then downloads and found this: https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that? Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R? Thanks, Robert I can create the Win 10 disc now but I have to wait till next month before I can buy another HD for it. In fact, I think I'll buy 2 so I'll have a spare again. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement). Paul This is what's on the Patriot: https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3 The Patriot has Macrium on it. I looked into programs then downloads and found this: https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that? Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R? Some of that image is obscured. Wouldn't the Windows 10 (if MediaCreationTool1903 saved it) be "windows.iso" or some sort of ISO file like that ? It's probably on the XPS8500 - you might have been downloading the Windows 10 over there or something. In a File Explorer window, while at the top level of C: , you can use the search box in the upper right corner and use ext:iso to try and find an ISO which is big enough to be Windows 10. It should be on the order of around 4GB or so. You can also try finding it with Agent Ransack. ******* Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far, to see if a Win10 one is there ? ******* If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be at least 8GB or so in size. Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key. https://rufus.ie/ Grab the portable version: "Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe Once you execute that, the setup will look like this. https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif Paul |
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 8:08:04 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments. You could put the spare in the 8500,... I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although its still booting into the Admin account even though I created a user account. How do I get it to login to the user account where I don't have to type my password each and every time? Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500 as well. What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that? I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this. Robert In the right-click Start and then Run box, type netplwiz Click the user account you want to log into without a password. Remember to adjust the tick box at the top, so that it prompts (within the Netplwiz window) for the password. You have to enter the password twice there for confirmation. There's an Apply button. On the next reboot, it should boot into the desktop, as the unelevated user you created separately. It uses the password you typed in twice in Netplwiz, as the password to be entered automatically. I forgot I added a new User Account on the Win7 HD after we brought it back up but forgot to add one for the Win10 HD. So I added a User Account to Win10 and followed your instructions and then clicked restart it then it went through a process of setting up again and finished OK on the desktop! I couldn't get the about:blank command to take. Every time I tried to drag the tab over to the home page icon it failed. I can work on this later when were doing the other Win 10 HD. Well, am switching the Win 7 HD back now. Robert |
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:48:04 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement). Paul This is what's on the Patriot: https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3 The Patriot has Macrium on it. I looked into programs then downloads and found this: https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that? Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R? Some of that image is obscured. Wouldn't the Windows 10 (if MediaCreationTool1903 saved it) be "windows.iso" or some sort of ISO file like that ? It's probably on the XPS8500 - you might have been downloading the Windows 10 over there or something. In a File Explorer window, while at the top level of C: , you can use the search box in the upper right corner and use ext:iso I tried looking for the file and typed ext:iso and nothing came back. I then looked at downloads again and at the very bottom on the second image, is that it? Here's the downloads page: https://postimg.cc/PvYtD7Bn https://postimg.cc/rKGVFv1S Robert |
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