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Hello
After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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For number 1. How can you order it to save????
"Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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System restore is set to ON by default and should not be turned off. This
means the system will create restore points automatically. You should allow it to do so. Then, if you get a problem you can select a date prior to the problem happening and do a restore in an attempt to repair. "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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On Feb 20, 12:04*pm, "Drora" wrote:
Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, *and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when *I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" *and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag *"My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or *warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora The tools are fine. The advice is seriously flawed. Where do you get this advice? You sound like you are learning more about it, so become smarter than your advisor and then assign the advisor different responsibilities. |
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You should not have to manually make a restore point every day. You
should set System Restore to make automatic system checkpoints. To do so, follow this procedu Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab. Click to clear the Turn off System Restore check box. Click OK. In the area below the check box, your hard drive volumes should be listed...you should have at least C:, and it should show "Monitoring" next to it if System Restore is turned on. There is also a Settings button. If you click it, you can adjust the amount of hard drive space is used for restore points. if too large a space is used, too many points are collected and corruption can occur. Usually only about 1GB to 2GB is required, so you can adjust the slider till you get a manageable size. There are many reasons why your restore may have failed, including interference from programs installed, particularly some anti-virus apps. Go he http://bertk.mvps.org/ and hover your mouse over the heading "System restore in WinXP" to see the drop-down menu of help pages, such as: Tips on keeping System Restore healthy: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html How to Adjust the amount of disk space System Restore uses to hold restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html Troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to create an automatic restore point: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html "Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . " http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html Just saving the Registry is not as good an option as a working System Restore, and saving and restoring the Registry using the Registry Editor is definitely not recommended. Generally that should only be used for particular Registry keys of relatively small size. When you export the Registry and then import the exported copy, it overwrites things that are there, and adds things that are in the export but no longer in the Registry....BUT it does not remove entries that are in the Registry but not in the copy you try to import. Additionally, it only affects the Registry and does nothing to restore anything else in your file system. The best method to backup and restore the Registry is to use System Restore. A second method is to use the NTBackup utility to back up the System State. The System State includes the registry, the COM+ Class Registration Database, and your boot files. This article explains how to install NTBackup and how to use it to create a System State backup: Backup Registry Using Windows NTBACKUP http://www.aeonity.com/frost/backup-...ndows-ntbackup A third method is to install and use ERUNT, allowing it to put itself into your startup axis so it can backup the Registry every day: Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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Drora wrote:
Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? 1. Read glee's response. 2. If you want to save and later restore a registry, go get ERUNT. You can set it up to make a new "saved registry" every day keeping a many as you set before it begins overwriting the previous (oldest) saved ones. Restoring a registry is as simple as clicking the exe in each saved registry folder. http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Who in the heck gave you such a bad advice. Do not follow that advice . It can only lead to problems. See the reply that Jose and Unknown gave you and follow it. -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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You run it manually, and it will create a restore point at that time. You
don't have to wait for it to do it every 24 hours or whatever. Unknown wrote: For number 1. How can you order it to save???? "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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Did I misread or misunderstand?
If you highlight the tag (my computer) in regedit as the OP says, how do you save? "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... You run it manually, and it will create a restore point at that time. You don't have to wait for it to do it every 24 hours or whatever. Unknown wrote: For number 1. How can you order it to save???? "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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On Feb 20, 12:04*pm, "Drora" wrote:
Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, *and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when *I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" *and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag *"My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or *warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora If you can better describe the issues we can perhaps help come up with a more elegant solution. |
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Hello to Glen
You may, or may not be a priest...but I have some sins to confess to as it was not "Restore" alone that disappointed. I have a part in it too. Here is the story and you be the judge if it is only me or "RESTORE" had a part in it too. I have a sound card that is activated by its own original software made for Window 2000 but I run an XP PRO. Very long ago someone installed it on my machine, then he used the "Program compatibility wizard" a tool of XP to adjust the program to work with XP. It worked excellent for a long time, almost two years. For some damn reason either the sound program, or XP, changed their minds. The sound program stopped working properly, only half worked, and I tried to remove it from the ADD/REMOVE page but the damn thing just won't leave and it is still there. Even worse, now it started to issue notices of .DLL missing so I decided to ask the registry itself to find and remove it. Before doing this, I decided to use the "SYSTEM RESTORE" tool, {and believe me I do know how to use "RESTORE"} , and after I had a restore point for this moment, I went into the registry. I never realized this sound program is so big because "REGEDIT" kept digging folders and folders of the same name and REGEDIT removed them all. When this fun was over, the machine recycled but despite the ton of folders removed from the registry relating to that product, LO and BEHOLD all the icons of the program are still there intact on the screen. It is still also there on the ADD REMOVE page as if I did nothing in the registry, and still the ADD REMOVE can't find the program to remove it. Now I was angry and I went to the program folder itself on C:\ and simply killed it. It is gone as far as I am concerned but the icons on the screen are still there, and the demands for .DLL are not stopping. So now tell me: Do I have the right to say that "RESTORE" failed to keep the info and folders for restoring the system to the point I specifically set for it, to the point before I started to mess around with it ? Any detailed constructive reply will be welcome. Thank you Drora "glee" wrote in message ... You should not have to manually make a restore point every day. You should set System Restore to make automatic system checkpoints. To do so, follow this procedu Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab. Click to clear the Turn off System Restore check box. Click OK. In the area below the check box, your hard drive volumes should be listed...you should have at least C:, and it should show "Monitoring" next to it if System Restore is turned on. There is also a Settings button. If you click it, you can adjust the amount of hard drive space is used for restore points. if too large a space is used, too many points are collected and corruption can occur. Usually only about 1GB to 2GB is required, so you can adjust the slider till you get a manageable size. There are many reasons why your restore may have failed, including interference from programs installed, particularly some anti-virus apps. Go he http://bertk.mvps.org/ and hover your mouse over the heading "System restore in WinXP" to see the drop-down menu of help pages, such as: Tips on keeping System Restore healthy: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html How to Adjust the amount of disk space System Restore uses to hold restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html Troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to create an automatic restore point: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html "Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . " http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html Just saving the Registry is not as good an option as a working System Restore, and saving and restoring the Registry using the Registry Editor is definitely not recommended. Generally that should only be used for particular Registry keys of relatively small size. When you export the Registry and then import the exported copy, it overwrites things that are there, and adds things that are in the export but no longer in the Registry....BUT it does not remove entries that are in the Registry but not in the copy you try to import. Additionally, it only affects the Registry and does nothing to restore anything else in your file system. The best method to backup and restore the Registry is to use System Restore. A second method is to use the NTBackup utility to back up the System State. The System State includes the registry, the COM+ Class Registration Database, and your boot files. This article explains how to install NTBackup and how to use it to create a System State backup: Backup Registry Using Windows NTBACKUP http://www.aeonity.com/frost/backup-...ndows-ntbackup A third method is to install and use ERUNT, allowing it to put itself into your startup axis so it can backup the Registry every day: Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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Well, if you got the message you mentioned from System Restore, then it
could not restore from the restore point you made, so from that perspective, it failed you. However, there are a lot of possible reasons why it may have failed. Some are listed in the links I gave you. I suggest you read them and see if you can create a healthier environment for your System Restore so you don't get corrupt restore points. In the situation you describe, where you are removing keys from the Registry, a Registry backup wouldn't have hurt either, but the best tool for that, in terms of ease of use, is ERUNT. Now, you say you are getting messages related to the sound program, stating a DLL is missing. Please give the exact error, word for word, in its entirety. Also please provide the name of the program and sound card involved. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello to Glen You may, or may not be a priest...but I have some sins to confess to as it was not "Restore" alone that disappointed. I have a part in it too. Here is the story and you be the judge if it is only me or "RESTORE" had a part in it too. I have a sound card that is activated by its own original software made for Window 2000 but I run an XP PRO. Very long ago someone installed it on my machine, then he used the "Program compatibility wizard" a tool of XP to adjust the program to work with XP. It worked excellent for a long time, almost two years. For some damn reason either the sound program, or XP, changed their minds. The sound program stopped working properly, only half worked, and I tried to remove it from the ADD/REMOVE page but the damn thing just won't leave and it is still there. Even worse, now it started to issue notices of .DLL missing so I decided to ask the registry itself to find and remove it. Before doing this, I decided to use the "SYSTEM RESTORE" tool, {and believe me I do know how to use "RESTORE"} , and after I had a restore point for this moment, I went into the registry. I never realized this sound program is so big because "REGEDIT" kept digging folders and folders of the same name and REGEDIT removed them all. When this fun was over, the machine recycled but despite the ton of folders removed from the registry relating to that product, LO and BEHOLD all the icons of the program are still there intact on the screen. It is still also there on the ADD REMOVE page as if I did nothing in the registry, and still the ADD REMOVE can't find the program to remove it. Now I was angry and I went to the program folder itself on C:\ and simply killed it. It is gone as far as I am concerned but the icons on the screen are still there, and the demands for .DLL are not stopping. So now tell me: Do I have the right to say that "RESTORE" failed to keep the info and folders for restoring the system to the point I specifically set for it, to the point before I started to mess around with it ? Any detailed constructive reply will be welcome. Thank you Drora "glee" wrote in message ... You should not have to manually make a restore point every day. You should set System Restore to make automatic system checkpoints. To do so, follow this procedu Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab. Click to clear the Turn off System Restore check box. Click OK. In the area below the check box, your hard drive volumes should be listed...you should have at least C:, and it should show "Monitoring" next to it if System Restore is turned on. There is also a Settings button. If you click it, you can adjust the amount of hard drive space is used for restore points. if too large a space is used, too many points are collected and corruption can occur. Usually only about 1GB to 2GB is required, so you can adjust the slider till you get a manageable size. There are many reasons why your restore may have failed, including interference from programs installed, particularly some anti-virus apps. Go he http://bertk.mvps.org/ and hover your mouse over the heading "System restore in WinXP" to see the drop-down menu of help pages, such as: Tips on keeping System Restore healthy: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html How to Adjust the amount of disk space System Restore uses to hold restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html Troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to create an automatic restore point: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html "Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . " http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html Just saving the Registry is not as good an option as a working System Restore, and saving and restoring the Registry using the Registry Editor is definitely not recommended. Generally that should only be used for particular Registry keys of relatively small size. When you export the Registry and then import the exported copy, it overwrites things that are there, and adds things that are in the export but no longer in the Registry....BUT it does not remove entries that are in the Registry but not in the copy you try to import. Additionally, it only affects the Registry and does nothing to restore anything else in your file system. The best method to backup and restore the Registry is to use System Restore. A second method is to use the NTBackup utility to back up the System State. The System State includes the registry, the COM+ Class Registration Database, and your boot files. This article explains how to install NTBackup and how to use it to create a System State backup: Backup Registry Using Windows NTBACKUP http://www.aeonity.com/frost/backup-...ndows-ntbackup A third method is to install and use ERUNT, allowing it to put itself into your startup axis so it can backup the Registry every day: Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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System Restore and registry saving
Hello Glen,
I expected too much from RESTORE so I wasn't mad at it when it disappointed. I removed files from the registry and now I know that files removed or lost can't be restored by RESTORE as now I know that RESTORE is not such a comprehensive program. RESTORE can only work with what it has and if the files are lost Restore can't restore them. This is why I came with the idea of exporting the entire registry but from some reactions here it is even a worse idea as re-importing the registry will cause eve a bigger mess. The entire problem is because I used to install my programs on my "D" external disk as *D* is much bigger the my *C*. I did it for four years and all my programs were on that External disk *D*. Then last Friday my dear *D*, full of 140 GIG of data and programs simply went blank in front of my eyes. The icon of *D* gone from "MY COMPUTER" and I could only find it in "Disk Management" where I found it with a different name and -0- content. It took me two days of personal shock and frustration to just overcome my own shock and start to understand the size of my loss. The computer was off for two days. I hated it. When I came back, now the machine is asking for this and that program that were on *D* that is now gone and buried. ADD\REMOVE still contain the lines about all those programs which mean they are on the registry but deleting them from add remove doesn't work as it comes back and tell me it can't find the file: D\----------- Of course it can't find *D* as *D* no longer exist.! And for my fast machine it moves very slow, often freezes, all in all not fun. I will go for this ERUNT and install it, ""what the hell can I lose now"" but I doubt even ERUNT can straighten this mess and it will have to be formatted and clean installed. Thanks to MS that gave us this solution of format and clean install. I don't know where you are Glen but here in a suburb of TORONTO this Sunday is a lovely summer day in all its glory and I'll leave the damn machine and go out to the sun. Be well Glen and thanks for every thing Drora "glee" wrote in message ... Well, if you got the message you mentioned from System Restore, then it could not restore from the restore point you made, so from that perspective, it failed you. However, there are a lot of possible reasons why it may have failed. Some are listed in the links I gave you. I suggest you read them and see if you can create a healthier environment for your System Restore so you don't get corrupt restore points. In the situation you describe, where you are removing keys from the Registry, a Registry backup wouldn't have hurt either, but the best tool for that, in terms of ease of use, is ERUNT. Now, you say you are getting messages related to the sound program, stating a DLL is missing. Please give the exact error, word for word, in its entirety. Also please provide the name of the program and sound card involved. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello to Glen You may, or may not be a priest...but I have some sins to confess to as it was not "Restore" alone that disappointed. I have a part in it too. Here is the story and you be the judge if it is only me or "RESTORE" had a part in it too. I have a sound card that is activated by its own original software made for Window 2000 but I run an XP PRO. Very long ago someone installed it on my machine, then he used the "Program compatibility wizard" a tool of XP to adjust the program to work with XP. It worked excellent for a long time, almost two years. For some damn reason either the sound program, or XP, changed their minds. The sound program stopped working properly, only half worked, and I tried to remove it from the ADD/REMOVE page but the damn thing just won't leave and it is still there. Even worse, now it started to issue notices of .DLL missing so I decided to ask the registry itself to find and remove it. Before doing this, I decided to use the "SYSTEM RESTORE" tool, {and believe me I do know how to use "RESTORE"} , and after I had a restore point for this moment, I went into the registry. I never realized this sound program is so big because "REGEDIT" kept digging folders and folders of the same name and REGEDIT removed them all. When this fun was over, the machine recycled but despite the ton of folders removed from the registry relating to that product, LO and BEHOLD all the icons of the program are still there intact on the screen. It is still also there on the ADD REMOVE page as if I did nothing in the registry, and still the ADD REMOVE can't find the program to remove it. Now I was angry and I went to the program folder itself on C:\ and simply killed it. It is gone as far as I am concerned but the icons on the screen are still there, and the demands for .DLL are not stopping. So now tell me: Do I have the right to say that "RESTORE" failed to keep the info and folders for restoring the system to the point I specifically set for it, to the point before I started to mess around with it ? Any detailed constructive reply will be welcome. Thank you Drora "glee" wrote in message ... You should not have to manually make a restore point every day. You should set System Restore to make automatic system checkpoints. To do so, follow this procedu Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab. Click to clear the Turn off System Restore check box. Click OK. In the area below the check box, your hard drive volumes should be listed...you should have at least C:, and it should show "Monitoring" next to it if System Restore is turned on. There is also a Settings button. If you click it, you can adjust the amount of hard drive space is used for restore points. if too large a space is used, too many points are collected and corruption can occur. Usually only about 1GB to 2GB is required, so you can adjust the slider till you get a manageable size. There are many reasons why your restore may have failed, including interference from programs installed, particularly some anti-virus apps. Go he http://bertk.mvps.org/ and hover your mouse over the heading "System restore in WinXP" to see the drop-down menu of help pages, such as: Tips on keeping System Restore healthy: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html How to Adjust the amount of disk space System Restore uses to hold restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html Troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to create an automatic restore point: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html "Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . " http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html Just saving the Registry is not as good an option as a working System Restore, and saving and restoring the Registry using the Registry Editor is definitely not recommended. Generally that should only be used for particular Registry keys of relatively small size. When you export the Registry and then import the exported copy, it overwrites things that are there, and adds things that are in the export but no longer in the Registry....BUT it does not remove entries that are in the Registry but not in the copy you try to import. Additionally, it only affects the Registry and does nothing to restore anything else in your file system. The best method to backup and restore the Registry is to use System Restore. A second method is to use the NTBackup utility to back up the System State. The System State includes the registry, the COM+ Class Registration Database, and your boot files. This article explains how to install NTBackup and how to use it to create a System State backup: Backup Registry Using Windows NTBACKUP http://www.aeonity.com/frost/backup-...ndows-ntbackup A third method is to install and use ERUNT, allowing it to put itself into your startup axis so it can backup the Registry every day: Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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Drora wrote:
Hello Glen, I expected too much from RESTORE so I wasn't mad at it when it disappointed. I removed files from the registry and now I know that files removed or lost can't be restored by RESTORE as now I know that RESTORE is not such a comprehensive program. RESTORE can only work with what it has and if the files are lost Restore can't restore them. This is why I came with the idea of exporting the entire registry but from some reactions here it is even a worse idea as re-importing the registry will cause eve a bigger mess. The entire problem is because I used to install my programs on my "D" external disk as *D* is much bigger the my *C*. I did it for four years and all my programs were on that External disk *D*. Then last Friday my dear *D*, full of 140 GIG of data and programs simply went blank in front of my eyes. The icon of *D* gone from "MY COMPUTER" and I could only find it in "Disk Management" where I found it with a different name and -0- content. Well, I already mentioned one other possibility, and that was trying out Easeus Data Recovery Wizard to see if you can get *anything* back from your D: drive. I don't see what you have to lose by trying, and it's a pretty good tool for that. I expect you could at least try installing it on the C: drive and seeing if it can find anything on your D: drive, assuming that drive is still recognized. It probably will at least tell you if it can find anything, even without purchasing it (which would be necessary to actually get the data retrieved). It took me two days of personal shock and frustration to just overcome my own shock and start to understand the size of my loss. The computer was off for two days. I hated it. When I came back, now the machine is asking for this and that program that were on *D* that is now gone and buried. ADD\REMOVE still contain the lines about all those programs which mean they are on the registry but deleting them from add remove doesn't work as it comes back and tell me it can't find the file: D\----------- Of course it can't find *D* as *D* no longer exist.! And for my fast machine it moves very slow, often freezes, all in all not fun. I will go for this ERUNT and install it, ""what the hell can I lose now"" but I doubt even ERUNT can straighten this mess and it will have to be formatted and clean installed. Thanks to MS that gave us this solution of format and clean install. ERUNT will NOT be able to straighten this mess out. All that ERUNT can do is make a backup of your current registry, and/or restore one from that, afterwards. It only saves and restores the registry and its associated files - nothing more. OTOH, System Restore is much more thorough, in that it backs up (and can restore) much more than just the registry, but even it is limited in what it can do. The only REAL solution for backups is to use an imaging or cloning program, like Acronis True Image, or Casper, respectively. (I say this for the future when you presumably reinstall Windows and your programs on the C: drive, just as it should be. It won't get your data back now obviously) Only THEN you will be able to image or clone your system and be in good shape, from that time forward. |
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As Bill pointed out, ERUNT can't help now, as it only backs up and
restores from the time you install it. If your external drive suddenly showed up as empty, and it was a USB-connected drive, it's possible that the data is still on it, but the drive enclosure's internal USB bridge failed. I have seen it happen before. It is sometimnes possible to get the external drive enclosure opened, and the drive inside is usually just a standard hard drive, which can then be installed internally in the computer and be read again. The drive itself may not be bad, just the electronic bridge that allows it to be used via USB. I know you are in Canada, by your ISP info in your headers. I am in North Carolina, where the weather was wonderful and sunny this weekend...but we will cool off again in a couple of days. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello Glen, I expected too much from RESTORE so I wasn't mad at it when it disappointed. I removed files from the registry and now I know that files removed or lost can't be restored by RESTORE as now I know that RESTORE is not such a comprehensive program. RESTORE can only work with what it has and if the files are lost Restore can't restore them. This is why I came with the idea of exporting the entire registry but from some reactions here it is even a worse idea as re-importing the registry will cause eve a bigger mess. The entire problem is because I used to install my programs on my "D" external disk as *D* is much bigger the my *C*. I did it for four years and all my programs were on that External disk *D*. Then last Friday my dear *D*, full of 140 GIG of data and programs simply went blank in front of my eyes. The icon of *D* gone from "MY COMPUTER" and I could only find it in "Disk Management" where I found it with a different name and -0- content. It took me two days of personal shock and frustration to just overcome my own shock and start to understand the size of my loss. The computer was off for two days. I hated it. When I came back, now the machine is asking for this and that program that were on *D* that is now gone and buried. ADD\REMOVE still contain the lines about all those programs which mean they are on the registry but deleting them from add remove doesn't work as it comes back and tell me it can't find the file: D\----------- Of course it can't find *D* as *D* no longer exist.! And for my fast machine it moves very slow, often freezes, all in all not fun. I will go for this ERUNT and install it, ""what the hell can I lose now"" but I doubt even ERUNT can straighten this mess and it will have to be formatted and clean installed. Thanks to MS that gave us this solution of format and clean install. I don't know where you are Glen but here in a suburb of TORONTO this Sunday is a lovely summer day in all its glory and I'll leave the damn machine and go out to the sun. Be well Glen and thanks for every thing Drora "glee" wrote in message ... Well, if you got the message you mentioned from System Restore, then it could not restore from the restore point you made, so from that perspective, it failed you. However, there are a lot of possible reasons why it may have failed. Some are listed in the links I gave you. I suggest you read them and see if you can create a healthier environment for your System Restore so you don't get corrupt restore points. In the situation you describe, where you are removing keys from the Registry, a Registry backup wouldn't have hurt either, but the best tool for that, in terms of ease of use, is ERUNT. Now, you say you are getting messages related to the sound program, stating a DLL is missing. Please give the exact error, word for word, in its entirety. Also please provide the name of the program and sound card involved. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello to Glen You may, or may not be a priest...but I have some sins to confess to as it was not "Restore" alone that disappointed. I have a part in it too. Here is the story and you be the judge if it is only me or "RESTORE" had a part in it too. I have a sound card that is activated by its own original software made for Window 2000 but I run an XP PRO. Very long ago someone installed it on my machine, then he used the "Program compatibility wizard" a tool of XP to adjust the program to work with XP. It worked excellent for a long time, almost two years. For some damn reason either the sound program, or XP, changed their minds. The sound program stopped working properly, only half worked, and I tried to remove it from the ADD/REMOVE page but the damn thing just won't leave and it is still there. Even worse, now it started to issue notices of .DLL missing so I decided to ask the registry itself to find and remove it. Before doing this, I decided to use the "SYSTEM RESTORE" tool, {and believe me I do know how to use "RESTORE"} , and after I had a restore point for this moment, I went into the registry. I never realized this sound program is so big because "REGEDIT" kept digging folders and folders of the same name and REGEDIT removed them all. When this fun was over, the machine recycled but despite the ton of folders removed from the registry relating to that product, LO and BEHOLD all the icons of the program are still there intact on the screen. It is still also there on the ADD REMOVE page as if I did nothing in the registry, and still the ADD REMOVE can't find the program to remove it. Now I was angry and I went to the program folder itself on C:\ and simply killed it. It is gone as far as I am concerned but the icons on the screen are still there, and the demands for .DLL are not stopping. So now tell me: Do I have the right to say that "RESTORE" failed to keep the info and folders for restoring the system to the point I specifically set for it, to the point before I started to mess around with it ? Any detailed constructive reply will be welcome. Thank you Drora "glee" wrote in message ... You should not have to manually make a restore point every day. You should set System Restore to make automatic system checkpoints. To do so, follow this procedu Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties. In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab. Click to clear the Turn off System Restore check box. Click OK. In the area below the check box, your hard drive volumes should be listed...you should have at least C:, and it should show "Monitoring" next to it if System Restore is turned on. There is also a Settings button. If you click it, you can adjust the amount of hard drive space is used for restore points. if too large a space is used, too many points are collected and corruption can occur. Usually only about 1GB to 2GB is required, so you can adjust the slider till you get a manageable size. There are many reasons why your restore may have failed, including interference from programs installed, particularly some anti-virus apps. Go he http://bertk.mvps.org/ and hover your mouse over the heading "System restore in WinXP" to see the drop-down menu of help pages, such as: Tips on keeping System Restore healthy: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/healthy.html How to Adjust the amount of disk space System Restore uses to hold restore points: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/diskspace.html Troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to create an automatic restore point: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to resto http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html "Restoration Incomplete. Your computer cannot be restored . . . " http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html Just saving the Registry is not as good an option as a working System Restore, and saving and restoring the Registry using the Registry Editor is definitely not recommended. Generally that should only be used for particular Registry keys of relatively small size. When you export the Registry and then import the exported copy, it overwrites things that are there, and adds things that are in the export but no longer in the Registry....BUT it does not remove entries that are in the Registry but not in the copy you try to import. Additionally, it only affects the Registry and does nothing to restore anything else in your file system. The best method to backup and restore the Registry is to use System Restore. A second method is to use the NTBackup utility to back up the System State. The System State includes the registry, the COM+ Class Registration Database, and your boot files. This article explains how to install NTBackup and how to use it to create a System State backup: Backup Registry Using Windows NTBACKUP http://www.aeonity.com/frost/backup-...ndows-ntbackup A third method is to install and use ERUNT, allowing it to put itself into your startup axis so it can backup the Registry every day: Take a complete registry backup using ERUNT http://www.winxptutor.com/regback.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ "Drora" wrote in message ... Hello After some bad computer troubles lately I was advised to daily use the tool called "System restore" So I made sure to set a new point of System restore each evening before I shut the machine for the day, and I could see those points highlighted on the system restore page. BUT, when I tried today to restore the machine to a selected point, after much screen flashes and other acrobatics it comes back and tell me that the system can NOT restore the machine to the selected point. So much for this lovely tool. Then I was told that "Registry save" and restore later is a better choice but I need some info about doing it. I know how to get to the registry page. Without touching anything I browsed the registry for some two hours and saw how immense is this marvel, and I also noticed that a given program can be found in almost all the keys and in dozens of folders, sometimes under cover-up of a different name. (Probably the maker of this program doesn't want you to delete it). However, on the registry main page, 1) If I highlight the tag "My computer" at the top and order it to save, does it mean it will save the registry of the entire computer? And: 2) Later if I want to restore it to that date, is it enough to click the relevant icon and the entire registry goes back to that date? Is there any thing you can add to help or warn me about my actions? Thank you Drora |
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