dual boot

On 12/20/2012 2:32 PM, Stewart wrote:
Maybe like lots of my other ideas I should just stick with what I've
got. I shall wait until after the New Year anyway but thanks to all for
talking me through it.

Sounds like a plan to me. Although the cost of Windows 8 goes up
drastically I think after January 31st. And Windows 8 doesn't include
the Media Center and costs $9.95 extra, I think. Although from a special
Microsoft link, you can get a key for the Media Center for Windows 8 Pro
for free until the 31st of January. Although that key won't work if you
didn't use it by the deadline.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

BillW50 wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:32 PM, Stewart wrote:
Maybe like lots of my other ideas I should just stick with what
I've got. I shall wait until after the New Year anyway but thanks
to all for talking me through it.

Sounds like a plan to me. Although the cost of Windows 8 goes up
drastically I think after January 31st. And Windows 8 doesn't include
the Media Center and costs $9.95 extra, I think. Although from a
special Microsoft link, you can get a key for the Media Center for
Windows 8 Pro for free until the 31st of January. Although that key
won't work if you didn't use it by the deadline.

I bought the Windows 8 update at the bargain price, but I don't know if
I will ever install it. I tried to get Media Center, but I think Windows
8 has to be installed to get the freebie.

--
Crash

I always thought Mensa was a Japanese import.

On 12/20/2012 3:19 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:32 PM, Stewart wrote:
Maybe like lots of my other ideas I should just stick with what
I've got. I shall wait until after the New Year anyway but thanks
to all for talking me through it.

Sounds like a plan to me. Although the cost of Windows 8 goes up
drastically I think after January 31st. And Windows 8 doesn't include
the Media Center and costs $9.95 extra, I think. Although from a
special Microsoft link, you can get a key for the Media Center for
Windows 8 Pro for free until the 31st of January. Although that key
won't work if you didn't use it by the deadline.

I bought the Windows 8 update at the bargain price, but I don't know if
I will ever install it. I tried to get Media Center, but I think Windows
8 has to be installed to get the freebie.

Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows
this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key now is
supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists forever).
And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid email address,
even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key thing in this case
is that the key you get is supposedly worthless after January 31st if
you never activate it before then.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

BillW50 wrote:
On 12/20/2012 3:19 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 12/20/2012 2:32 PM, Stewart wrote:
Maybe like lots of my other ideas I should just stick with what
I've got. I shall wait until after the New Year anyway but
thanks to all for talking me through it.

Sounds like a plan to me. Although the cost of Windows 8 goes up
drastically I think after January 31st. And Windows 8 doesn't
include the Media Center and costs $9.95 extra, I think. Although
from a special Microsoft link, you can get a key for the Media
Center for Windows 8 Pro for free until the 31st of January.
Although that key won't work if you didn't use it by the
deadline.

I bought the Windows 8 update at the bargain price, but I don't
know if I will ever install it. I tried to get Media Center, but I
think Windows 8 has to be installed to get the freebie.

Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows
this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key now is
supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists
forever).

I bought the downloadable ISO file and burned it to disk. It comes with
a product key.

And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid email
address, even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key thing
in this case is that the key you get is supposedly worthless after
January 31st if you never activate it before then.

Do you have a link for the Media Center download?
--
Crash

"I'm told that Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds."
~ Mark Twain ~

Yes, dual boot should work as long as the hardware supports it though the MSFT licensing does have some limits on applicable
versions for use on a separate partition.

Retail Upgrade
- when installing an upgrade version the prior o/s license used to qualify for the upgrade is replaced by the Win8 license. The
Win8 retail upgrade license does not permit use in separate partition.

Personal Use System Builder Version
- full version, does not replace the prior license, capable of being used as an additional operating system in a virtual machine or
separate partition.
- Personal Use System Builder Version replaces the full retail versions and OEM System Builder full versions that were available in
previous o/s. - i.e. only one retail version available and only comes in one flavor 32 or 64 bit but not both.

OEM (provided by the pc manufacturer, one install/run one copy on pc that acquired the software)

Here are two articles about licensing from Ed Bott (with MSFT licensing text verbatim)
http://www.zdnet.com/how-the-new-win...ou-7000003028/
qp
Bott:
After I upgrade, can I use my old Windows version on a separate partition or on another PC? Can I give it away or sell it?
No. The upgrade replaces the old license completely. The terms are written in very clear language:

MSFT Upgrade License:
The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the
original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may
not continue to use it or transfer it in any way.
/qp

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-radic...-8-7000002866/
qp
PERSONAL USE LICENSE (SYSTEM BUILDER) FOR WINDOWS 8 PRO
We do not sell our software or your copy of it – we only license it.Under our license, we grant you the right to install and run
that one copy on one computer (the licensed computer) as the operating system on a computer that you build for your personal use,
or as an additional operating system running on a local virtual machine ***or a separate partition***, subject to the restrictions
outlined under “Are there things I’m not allowed to do with the software?�
/qp


--
....winston
msft mvp


"Stewart" wrote in message ...

I have a new desktop running windows 7 64 bit with plenty spare capacity in
the hard drive.
Would it be possible for me to create a dual boot pc with Windows 8 on one
partition while retaining windows 7 on the other partition?
I think I can purchase a copy of windows 8 for around £70.
Thank you

Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:


Do you have a link for the Media Center download?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../feature-packs

"For a limited time, get Windows 8 Media Center Pack for free **

To receive a free product key and get Windows 8 Media Center Pack,
provide a valid email address in the space provided. Once you receive
your free product key through the email address you provided, follow
the instructions for adding Windows 8 Media Center Pack that appear
later on this page.

...

Read the license terms, select the check box to accept the license
terms, and then click Add features.
"

That makes the process sound like an Anytime Upgrade. As if
MCE files are already installed, and just the hard links
need to be forged.

Maybe someone can try it out, and see if the NIC LED flashes
a lot or not :-)

Paul

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:29:28 -0000, "Stewart"
wrote:

Ken, thank you once more; you have helped in the past with other topics.


You're welcome. Glad to help.


As I said I have windows 7 64 bit on my desktop and windows 7 32 bit on my
laptop and while both work fine there is a problem with the networking that
I won't go into again.
I thought if I installed a full copy of windows 8 then that would network
and by keeping windows 7 on a separate partition then the programs that
won't run on windows 8 would still be available to me.
I know I can upgrade to 8 but would then have to find new programs or pay
for others. For example;e I use media player and an old versions of
Microsoft money.
Maybe I am just trying to be too clever!


There are *some* programs that run on Windows 7 that won't run on
Windows 8, but they are few and far between. With rare exceptions
(mostly utilities), if it runs on Windows 7 it will also run on
Windows 8. When I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 8, all of my
programs continued to run.


--
Ken Blake

"BillW50" wrote in message ...


Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows
this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key now is
supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists forever).
And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid email address,
even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key thing in this case
is that the key you get is supposedly worthless after January 31st if
you never activate it before then.


Just a few additional comments.

If you purchase a Windows 8 key, OEM preinstalled pc, or Personal Use System Builder version before or after the promotional offer
your license or ability to upgrade/install Windows 8 does not expire after the promotional period ends. What will change is the
cost of the upgrade and/or Personal User System Builder version (OEM pc's with preinstall Win8's have their own 'what I call
floating-rate' pc costs)

Windows 8 Pro is required to install Windows 8 Media Center

To obtain Media Center for Windows 8 Pro
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../feature-packs
- Enter your email address and type in the 6 characters - the product key and a link to download will be emailed
- You don't need to obtain W8 Media Center from a Win8 Pro pc but it will only install on a Win8 Pro PC
- Win8 Media Center is installed via the Win8 Pro Add Features option where you will be prompted to 'buy a key' or 'I have a key'
- after Jan 31, 2013, the Win8 Media Center will be available for Win8 Pro at some nominal cost ($10-15 US)
- the free offer is only available if you install and activate Win8 Media Center on Win8 Pro prior to Jan 31, 2013
(i.e. if you obtain it prior to Jan 31, 2013 but install if after that date you will have to pay the nominal cost)
- installing Win8 Media Center on a Win8 Pro pc changes the o/s version from Win8 Pro to Win 8 Pro with Media Center
- installing Win8 Media Center changes the license on the pc to a retail license
- installing Win8 Media Center changes the product key from the previous Win8 Pro key to the Win8 Pro with Media Center key
- if your original pc was an OEM pc (e.g. Dell, HP, Samsung etc.) you will no longer be able to obtain OEM specific apps from the
MSFT store.
- after you install Win8 Pro Media Center you are entitled to 90 days of no-charge support from MSFT

Notes:
(1.) I have no clue how the above impacts support from an/your OEM pc manufacturer
(2) I have no experience (since Jan 31 has not arrived) how one would clean reinstall Win8 Pro and upgrade to Win 8 Pro with Media
Center after Jan 31, 2013 with a Win8 Media Center key that was acquired during the promotion (guessing - you'll have to pay for
it....which makes a strong case to ensure you have a valid backup image of your entire System and Boot Volume of Win8 Pro Media
Center before prematurely jumping off that cliff)
(3) You can verify that Win8 Media Center changes the o/s product key by comparing the product key before and after install.
(4) Good luck

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 12/20/2012 1:29 PM, Stewart wrote:
... For example;e I use media player and an old versions of
Microsoft money.
Maybe I am just trying to be too clever!


MS Money? You know the last version of MS Money was released for free?
It is called MS Money Plus. I don't know if Microsoft still has the
download available or not. But I am sure it is out there somewhere from
other sources.


The first 14 versions of Money (Money through Money 2006) did not require product activation
Money 2007 was the first version to require activation
Money Plus also required activation (Money Plus was the first and only Money Plus version)
Money Plus Sunset the last versions were downloadable versions of Money Plus Deluxe and Money Plus Home and Business that did not
require activation.

Fyi...
- Money Plus Sunset Home and Business is still available
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=7564
- Money Plus Sunset Deluxe is still available
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=20738
Both Sunset versions are replacement for expired versions of previous products and only provide online Help.

p.s. The build number is different for Win8 Media Center than Win7 Media Center

--
....winston
msft mvp

"Paul" wrote in message ...

That makes the process sound like an Anytime Upgrade. As if
MCE files are already installed, and just the hard links
need to be forged.

Maybe someone can try it out, and see if the NIC LED flashes
a lot or not :-)


From what I understand...some files are present since Media Player (which is present shares files with Media Center), the balance
of necessary files are downloaded during the install process (not much different than deploying updates via MU or apps from the
Windows Store) - i.e. the additional bits aren't very large.

As noted elsewhere - installing Media Center on Win8 Pro changes the Product Key
- to see this happen compare the product key before and after
- Note: Win8 does not show the activated product key on the Computer/System Properties page though it does provide a link to show a
dialog box on the key activated but only the last set of digits are shown....post Media Center install those digits (and the ones
not shown) will be identical to the key obtained for Media Center (and a retail license too).

--
....winston
msft mvp

Paul

...winston wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...


Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows
this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key now is
supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists
forever). And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid
email address, even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key
thing in this case is that the key you get is supposedly worthless
after January 31st if you never activate it before then.


Just a few additional comments.

If you purchase a Windows 8 key, OEM preinstalled pc, or Personal Use
System Builder version before or after the promotional offer your
license or ability to upgrade/install Windows 8 does not expire after
the promotional period ends. What will change is the cost of the
upgrade and/or Personal User System Builder version (OEM pc's with
preinstall Win8's have their own 'what I call floating-rate' pc
costs)

Windows 8 Pro is required to install Windows 8 Media Center

To obtain Media Center for Windows 8 Pro
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../feature-packs - Enter
your email address and type in the 6 characters - the product key and
a link to download will be emailed - You don't need to obtain W8
Media Center from a Win8 Pro pc but it will only install on a Win8
Pro PC - Win8 Media Center is installed via the Win8 Pro Add Features
option where you will be prompted to 'buy a key' or 'I have a key' -
after Jan 31, 2013, the Win8 Media Center will be available for Win8
Pro at some nominal cost ($10-15 US) - the free offer is only
available if you install and activate Win8 Media Center on Win8 Pro
prior to Jan 31, 2013 (i.e. if you obtain it prior to Jan 31, 2013
but install if after that date you will have to pay the nominal cost)
- installing Win8 Media Center on a Win8 Pro pc changes the o/s
version from Win8 Pro to Win 8 Pro with Media Center - installing
Win8 Media Center changes the license on the pc to a retail license -
installing Win8 Media Center changes the product key from the
previous Win8 Pro key to the Win8 Pro with Media Center key - if your
original pc was an OEM pc (e.g. Dell, HP, Samsung etc.) you will no
longer be able to obtain OEM specific apps from the MSFT store. -
after you install Win8 Pro Media Center you are entitled to 90 days
of no-charge support from MSFT

Notes: (1.) I have no clue how the above impacts support from an/your
OEM pc manufacturer (2) I have no experience (since Jan 31 has not
arrived) how one would clean reinstall Win8 Pro and upgrade to Win 8
Pro with Media Center after Jan 31, 2013 with a Win8 Media Center key
that was acquired during the promotion (guessing - you'll have to pay
for it....which makes a strong case to ensure you have a valid backup
image of your entire System and Boot Volume of Win8 Pro Media Center
before prematurely jumping off that cliff) (3) You can verify that
Win8 Media Center changes the o/s product key by comparing the
product key before and after install. (4) Good luck

Thank you for the detailed explanation. That confirms what I thought
about having to have Windows 8 installed before January 31 to get the
free Media Center. What you post elsewhere clarifies another point. I
was confusing Windows Media Player, which I want, with Windows Media
Center, which I don't care about. If Windows 8 comes with WMP, then I
have no problem with a January 31 deadline.
--
Crash

"Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."
~ Robert Frost ~

...winston wrote:
Yes, dual boot should work as long as the hardware supports it though
the MSFT licensing does have some limits on applicable versions for
use on a separate partition.

Retail Upgrade - when installing an upgrade version the prior o/s
license used to qualify for the upgrade is replaced by the Win8
license. The Win8 retail upgrade license does not permit use in
separate partition.

snipped

Am I correct that the $39.99 download is a Retail Upgrade license and
thus not eligible for installation in a separate partition?
--
Crash

"I'm told that Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds."
~ Mark Twain ~

Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
..winston wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...


Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows
this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key now is
supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists
forever). And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid
email address, even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key
thing in this case is that the key you get is supposedly worthless
after January 31st if you never activate it before then.


Just a few additional comments.

If you purchase a Windows 8 key, OEM preinstalled pc, or Personal Use
System Builder version before or after the promotional offer your
license or ability to upgrade/install Windows 8 does not expire after
the promotional period ends. What will change is the cost of the
upgrade and/or Personal User System Builder version (OEM pc's with
preinstall Win8's have their own 'what I call floating-rate' pc
costs)

Windows 8 Pro is required to install Windows 8 Media Center

To obtain Media Center for Windows 8 Pro
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../feature-packs - Enter
your email address and type in the 6 characters - the product key and
a link to download will be emailed - You don't need to obtain W8
Media Center from a Win8 Pro pc but it will only install on a Win8
Pro PC - Win8 Media Center is installed via the Win8 Pro Add Features
option where you will be prompted to 'buy a key' or 'I have a key' -
after Jan 31, 2013, the Win8 Media Center will be available for Win8
Pro at some nominal cost ($10-15 US) - the free offer is only
available if you install and activate Win8 Media Center on Win8 Pro
prior to Jan 31, 2013 (i.e. if you obtain it prior to Jan 31, 2013
but install if after that date you will have to pay the nominal cost)
- installing Win8 Media Center on a Win8 Pro pc changes the o/s
version from Win8 Pro to Win 8 Pro with Media Center - installing
Win8 Media Center changes the license on the pc to a retail license -
installing Win8 Media Center changes the product key from the
previous Win8 Pro key to the Win8 Pro with Media Center key - if your
original pc was an OEM pc (e.g. Dell, HP, Samsung etc.) you will no
longer be able to obtain OEM specific apps from the MSFT store. -
after you install Win8 Pro Media Center you are entitled to 90 days
of no-charge support from MSFT

Notes: (1.) I have no clue how the above impacts support from an/your
OEM pc manufacturer (2) I have no experience (since Jan 31 has not
arrived) how one would clean reinstall Win8 Pro and upgrade to Win 8
Pro with Media Center after Jan 31, 2013 with a Win8 Media Center key
that was acquired during the promotion (guessing - you'll have to pay
for it....which makes a strong case to ensure you have a valid backup
image of your entire System and Boot Volume of Win8 Pro Media Center
before prematurely jumping off that cliff) (3) You can verify that
Win8 Media Center changes the o/s product key by comparing the
product key before and after install. (4) Good luck

Thank you for the detailed explanation. That confirms what I thought
about having to have Windows 8 installed before January 31 to get the
free Media Center. What you post elsewhere clarifies another point. I
was confusing Windows Media Player, which I want, with Windows Media
Center, which I don't care about. If Windows 8 comes with WMP, then I
have no problem with a January 31 deadline.

The only thing Windows Media Center might provide is some CODECs.
But there are likely other ways to get those.

I thought the deal was a means to recover licensing costs. So if
you put DVD playing capability in an OS, you owed someone money.
As an OS development company, by making your customers pay for
additional CODECs, the customer who wants stuff like that, pays
extra for it.

Now, maybe if the only thing you supported was PCM sound, it might
be possible to avoid Dolby licensing. That might mean paying
for video codecs (mpeg LA?).

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/media...ight-away/3860

"We already know that some video codecs and Dolby Digital
capabilities will be left out of the base Windows 8 product.
At a buck or two per copy, that’s hundreds of millions of dollars
in expenses for Microsoft over the life of a Windows release - and
it's difficult to justify those outlays if 94% of users don’t want
or need the licensed components.
"

And this link doesn't clarify the situation, as to what you get
with Media Center in Win8.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...indows-8/10287

Perhaps someone who is installing Media Center, can test with
GSpot CODEC tool. It's normally used to determine what CODECs
are needed to play a movie. But it will also list the CODECs
currently installed in a system.

http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/index.htm

http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/GSpot270a.zip

Paul

Based on the licensing agreement that appears to be MSFT's position....only the Personal User System Builder version has language
allowing use in a virtual or separate partition.

As noted elsewhere (possibly in this forum or on the net) ...technically feasible vs. allowed are two different animals.


--
....winston
msft mvp


"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...

...winston wrote:
Yes, dual boot should work as long as the hardware supports it though
the MSFT licensing does have some limits on applicable versions for
use on a separate partition.

Retail Upgrade - when installing an upgrade version the prior o/s
license used to qualify for the upgrade is replaced by the Win8
license. The Win8 retail upgrade license does not permit use in
separate partition.

snipped

Am I correct that the $39.99 download is a Retail Upgrade license and
thus not eligible for installation in a separate partition?
--
Crash

"I'm told that Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds."
~ Mark Twain ~

...winston wrote:
Based on the licensing agreement that appears to be MSFT's
position....only the Personal User System Builder version has language
allowing use in a virtual or separate partition.

As noted elsewhere (possibly in this forum or on the net) ...technically
feasible vs. allowed are two different animals.

I, of course, would never do anything that Microsoft didn't want me to do...
--
Crash

Life is short. Eat dessert first.