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Old November 28th 20, 08:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ant wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/26/20 11:51 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:


[snip]


BTW, has the docsys version cable companies support _ever_ changed?


When I first got cable internet (about 2006) the cable company used
DOCSIS 2 modems. Now those are unacceptable, only DOCSIS 3 modems will work.


BTW, DOCSIS = Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification.


When I first got cable on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS compliant. It was
crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And then, Adelphia redid
its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital which made everything
better!


To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people
were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth,
attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob"
circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were
getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step
too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what
kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way.

Rogers responded by closing the booth, so the bees had
nothing to buzz around. That takes all the fun out of it.

They've put more infrastructure into it since then.

Paul
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Old November 28th 20, 11:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Paul wrote:
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When I first got cable (Excite@Home) on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS
compliant. It was crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And
then, Adelphia redid its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital
which made everything better!


To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people
were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth,
attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob"
circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were
getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step
too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what
kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way.


1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs
dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for
downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O
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Old November 28th 20, 01:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ant wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Paul wrote:
...
When I first got cable (Excite@Home) on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS
compliant. It was crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And
then, Adelphia redid its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital
which made everything better!


To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people
were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth,
attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob"
circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were
getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step
too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what
kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way.


1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs
dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for
downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O


When I started with cable/'coax' Internet - May 2003 -, the specified/
maximum speeds were 300/64. Not bad heh!? Oops, that was *K*bps, not
Mbps! :-)

Now it's upto 1000/50 Mbps. (I have 'only' 50/5 Mbps, which is plenty
enough for me.) So in 17 years, that's a 3333 times increase in download
speed, all with the same 'last-mile' [1] infrastructure! (And even for
lowly me, 167 times.)

[1] No it isn't a mile, probably only 100 metres or so.
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Old November 28th 20, 02:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Paul" wrote

| To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
| mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
| many users off a central router.

I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but
I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party
line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back
then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in
Network Neighborhood.

Then again, there was no real
security issue. Tech experts had managed to scan a picture
of their cat and send it via email. Or they figured out how
to print a party announcement with "robot font". No one
was shopping, banking, or actually living their lives online.
It was still a novelty.



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Old November 28th 20, 09:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 11/28/20 4:36 AM, Ant wrote:

[snip]

1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs
dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for
downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O


When I first got cable internet, the speed was 1Mbps, and the service
was usually good. However, they did have a problem. The modem I had that
they told me would work, was incompatible with their system. It took 5
long calls to customer service, a billing error, a visit from a
technician, and a trip to the local office (for the new modem the tech
was supposed to bring) to get it working.

Now, I have something good to say about Cox customer service. A couple
of years later when that modem quit working, I got someone who knew just
what to do. This modem was working when I had to replace it (moving to
DOCSIS 3 speed).

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Old November 28th 20, 09:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 11/28/20 7:57 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
| mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
| many users off a central router.

I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but
I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party
line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back
then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in
Network Neighborhood.


I didn't have cable internet at the time (this area isn't that
overpopulated, so didn't have the service until 2006). Now somewhere
(probably both ISP and router) block the SaMBa ports.

Then again, there was no real
security issue. Tech experts had managed to scan a picture
of their cat and send it via email. Or they figured out how
to print a party announcement with "robot font". No one
was shopping, banking, or actually living their lives online.
It was still a novelty.


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27 days until the winter celebration (Fri, Dec 25, 2020 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

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"To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." [Woody Allen]
  #22  
Old November 29th 20, 12:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:38:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 11/28/20 7:57 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a
| mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too
| many users off a central router.

I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but
I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party
line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back
then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in
Network Neighborhood.


I didn't have cable internet at the time (this area isn't that
overpopulated, so didn't have the service until 2006). Now somewhere
(probably both ISP and router) block the SaMBa ports.


You can no longer browse your neighbor's networks because of a DOCSIS
feature called Baseline Privacy (BPI or BPI+). BPI uses PKI to encrypt the
traffic between each cable modem and its CMTS. I think they introduced BPI
in about 2001 with DOCSIS 1.1.

The second post here explains it in a bit more detail.
https://docsis.org/forums/docsis-chat/need-help-bpibpi


 




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