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Old March 11th 14, 05:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:


Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--


To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).

Anyhow, after downloading several #$%^& demos, and two programs from
"Runtime software" , that isnisted I need VSSVC.EXE running in task
manager (which WAS running), I deleted all that crap, and found XXCLone.
It was a small download of about 4 megs, and worked perfectly. I had to
run two operations. One copied all fiels on the partition to the new
drive, the second one installed the boot files.

I now have a duplicate of the original 10g hard drive, on a larger
drive, and it boots just fine. Since then, I installed SP3. I now have
a good working computer with XP SP3. The bad thing, is that my whole
intention was to setup this XP machine to mostly be used for the
internet, because there are no browsers that work properly in Win98
anymore. The bad news is that no matter what I have tried, I can not
get a usable connection to the internet via dialup. I can connect at
32k to 39k, (slightly slower than my usual connection using Win98, which
generally ranges from 38k to 48k). But when connected via XP,
regardless of speed, I can not transfer data. For example, I had to
wait 12 minutes to just open a google home page.

I did check on many of the things that Paul recommended in another
thread. Much of this became far too complicated and confusing for me to
understand. No matter what, I cant connect properly. I'm at a total
loss what to do from here.......
My only thought is to network the XP machine to the W98 one, and uxe the
connection from the W98 machinme on the XP one. (I think that will
work). But I need to buy a newtork card for the W98 machine.

Otherwise, I'm clueless how to make the modem work properly. You'd
think someone would make some software that would set this up correctly.
Doing it manually, with all those init strings and settings seems to
require a 4 year college degree to understand.

In the end, I have a nice, but older computer, which seems to work well,
but it's worthless for my original intention of using it for the
internet. And since a high speed connection is not possible here I live
(at least not affordable, which would cost $50 a month and up), I guess
I'm stuck with using Win98, and fighting with the horrid browsers. The
funny thing, is that this morning I hit the ultimate speed on this W98
machine. I was downloading videos from youtube at a combined speed of
7.4kb per second. That's the fastest I haev ever downloaded on dialup.
My connection was 48K at the time.

Why I cant do anything online, with XP which is the same experience I
got from Win2000, and trying both an internal and a serial external
modem, is beyond me. Either way, I'm a a total loss where to proceed
from here. All I know is that I have a good running XP machine which
does nothing more than my Win98 machine, except allows me to use some
newer software, and dont ask me to install drivers for everything I plug
into a USB port. So, about the only thing I gained is the ability to
play DVD movies on the XP one, but that really is not needed, since my
DVD player works fine on my tv set.

My final question is whether I can network to the 98 machine and use the
dialup connection from that machine on the XP one, and thus use the
newer browsers. Of course setting up a network will likely drive me
nuts too. I did it many years ago, using two computers running Windows
for Workgroups 3.11. I did get it to work to transfer software between
the two machines. These days that purpose seems pretty worthless. I
can copy my whole computer onto a USB harddrive, and move it ot the
other machine. So, who needs a network????

Thanks to everyone!

Ads
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Old March 11th 14, 05:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:


Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--


To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).


It was 42 MB over here, not 180 Meg (and that was very recently). I don't
know which version you were looking at, but it doesn't have to be that big.
Apparently that 180 one includes a whole bunch of other stuff you don't
need.

As for trying to network two PC's using dial-up to allegedly get your XP on
dial-up through the other one, I can't even imagine. :-)


  #18  
Old March 11th 14, 07:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill in Co wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--

To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).


It was 42 MB over here, not 180 Meg (and that was very recently). I don't
know which version you were looking at, but it doesn't have to be that big.
Apparently that 180 one includes a whole bunch of other stuff you don't
need.

As for trying to network two PC's using dial-up to allegedly get your XP on
dial-up through the other one, I can't even imagine. :-)


You can use ICS, on a machine with two network interfaces, to
share the network.

Modem Ethernet
The-Internet ------ ICS_Machine ---------- Some-other-machine-with-regular-LAN-setup

You could dial out with the ICS_Machine, and do your stuff that way.

Why they make articles like this, with absolutely no pictures,
is beyond me. There are so many useful pictures you could draw,
of working and non-working ICS setups, that would be so helpful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...ection_sharing

*******

All I can say, is unless you get into the Hayes Command Set, and
understand what's going on, you'll never fix it :-) I know this
for experiences, over and over again. Spread over probably 10-15 years.
On equipment as pitiful as Macintoshes. And PCs.

OK, now for some fun.

I wanted to find a serial port logger. I could find a commercial
one, I could find one that promised a download from CNET, but that
would mean dealing with nasty boring toolbars.

Then, I noticed Sysinternals wrote a Portmon. It records
serial port I/O calls.

Now, it would be too simple to just go to the web site and
get the current version and have it work. This is version 3.03,
the current one. Now, this is missing a crucial menu column at the top.
There is no way to "start" a capture. The capture menu is
grey. So forget the current version. We need to go back in time.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896644.aspx

How this works, is the author of this was not happy with just
capturing serial I/O. The tool was also designed to work
remotely. For that to happen, one copy of Portmon runs on the
computer you want to log. That is the "server". The other
copy runs on the server where you want to view what is
going on. That copy of the program is called the "client".

An older version of the program, has a "Connect Local" option.
That makes the one program, running on your WinXP machine,
perform both the "server" and "client" roles on the same computer.

This is version 3.02, which has the "Connect local" option.
This is the one that works.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080102.../bb896644.aspx

This is the 142KB download. Unzip this in a separate folder.
Double click portmon.exe to run it. You should have administrator
rights, as this is going to install a temporary filter driver
in the serial port. When you shut down the program, no residue is
left behind. Mark writes portable programs, in the best possible way.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080102...es/PortMon.zip

Once you do the Computer : "Connect Local", go to the
Capture menu. In there, the Capture item at the top will
have a tick next to it. Now, the next item down is "Ports".
I selected my COM3 port, which has my modem.

As a test, I went to Device Manager, selected the USR Modem,
went to the Diagnostic tab. clicked the button to run the
dialup diagnostics. This sends commands to the serial port.
The log in PortMon then starts to fill with data. I can save
the log file for later, using Save As in the program. Once I've captured
enough information to have the important bits in the log.

When the modem transmits, the PortMon captures an
entire string. In this case, a Hayes AT Command set
command is being sent. The program sending the command
is "mmc", which is the thing that makes the Device Manager
display on your screen. When debugging your setup, the name
will be other than "mmc.exe". My serial port, rather than
being "serial0" as Mark's documentation would show, is "VPC1",
because my serial port is a USB to RS232 dongle. Again, yours
will be different.

96 0.00046805 mmc.exe IRP_MJ_WRITE VCP1 SUCCESS Length 80: ATQ0V1E0.......................................... ..............

When the modem answers, for some reason, the characters
are logged individually. This is what you would normally
get from a Hayes AT command which doesn't have any
particular data output. The modem has returned "OK".
If you send "AT" to a modem, it says "OK" as an answer.
The two characters here, have received separate timestamps.

109 0.00000111 mmc.exe IRP_MJ_READ VCP1 SUCCESS Length 1: O
110 0.00000108 mmc.exe IRP_MJ_READ VCP1 SUCCESS Length 1: K

With this information in hand, you can start PortMon running,
log the port, then attempt to do DUN (Dialup Networking) in
WinXP. What you're looking for, is only the initial captures,
where the INIT string is being fed to the modem. Once we have
that, then the fun can begin. Post the string when you find
it, as well as the make and model number of the modem.
The INIT string could include stuff similar to my
example "ATQ0V1E0", followed by things like a phone
number "ATDT5551212". They may break the string into
separate AT commands, or attempt to load the whole
thing in one shot. This portion of the transaction,
is before PPP begins to run, and send authentication
info. If you specify some form of encryption in your
PPP session, the authentication info may be
encrypted. None of that is important at the moment,
because we don't care about the PPP stuff. Just the
Hayes strings matter at the moment. Stuff that will
be very near to the beginning of the trace. You can
replace the phone number with 5551212 when you post
the strings you find. I don't plan on testing your
modem pool. And please don't post the strings with
your PPP username or password, if they happen to be
in plaintext.

Paul

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Old March 11th 14, 08:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:57:44 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:


Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--


To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).


It was 42 MB over here, not 180 Meg (and that was very recently). I don't
know which version you were looking at, but it doesn't have to be that big.
Apparently that 180 one includes a whole bunch of other stuff you don't
need.

As for trying to network two PC's using dial-up to allegedly get your XP on
dial-up through the other one, I can't even imagine. :-)


Like I said, it seemed to notice I was using W98 and refused to let me
open it, except for that 180m one. But that dont matter anymore, I
found that XXClone worked great, was easy, and only a 4m download. Its
FREE too. I'd highly recommend it!


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Old March 11th 14, 09:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:59:57 -0400, Paul wrote:

The INIT string could include stuff similar to my
example "ATQ0V1E0", followed by things like a phone
number "ATDT5551212". They may break the string into
separate AT commands, or attempt to load the whole
thing in one shot. This portion of the transaction,
is before PPP begins to run, and send authentication
info. If you specify some form of encryption in your
PPP session, the authentication info may be
encrypted. None of that is important at the moment,
because we don't care about the PPP stuff. Just the
Hayes strings matter at the moment. Stuff that will
be very near to the beginning of the trace. You can
replace the phone number with 5551212 when you post
the strings you find. I don't plan on testing your
modem pool. And please don't post the strings with
your PPP username or password, if they happen to be
in plaintext.

Paul


This looks like it will take awhile, but I found the init string on my
W98 machine, in the registry. Its
AT S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4
This was located in the registry under Serial - modems (something like
that).

I wanted to try this string on XP, but cant find where to put it....

I went back to the internal PCTEL modem, because I need the ext modem on
the W98 machien and got tired of swapping them. That modem is on Com3.
Somewhere in the Device Manager settings, I believe under "Ports", it
only shows Com 1 and 2. Why 3 is not shown is beyond me. I recall
being able to put in a Init String in there. I dont know how to change
the port either. It shows either Com1 or Com2 in use, I forget which
one. Probably for the Mouse, is my guess.

I still cant believe no one has written some software that will just
setup a modem to the best settings. and not require any manual stuff!!!!

I was wondering if this is possible???? There are some devices sold
(not sure what they are called), that connect to a high speed internet
connection, and send out a WIFI signal. I wonder if I could hook one of
them to my phone line, and eliminate the modem all together????
Of course I'd then hae to get some sort of device on the computer to
receive WIFI, or use my laptop which has that built in.

Comment, this modem stuff has got to be the worst and most complicated
thing about computers. All those commands are damn near as bad as
setting up linux, which is why I avoid linux like the bubonic plague.

  #21  
Old March 11th 14, 09:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:57:44 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--
To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).

It was 42 MB over here, not 180 Meg (and that was very recently). I don't
know which version you were looking at, but it doesn't have to be that big.
Apparently that 180 one includes a whole bunch of other stuff you don't
need.

As for trying to network two PC's using dial-up to allegedly get your XP on
dial-up through the other one, I can't even imagine. :-)


Like I said, it seemed to notice I was using W98 and refused to let me
open it, except for that 180m one. But that dont matter anymore, I
found that XXClone worked great, was easy, and only a 4m download. Its
FREE too. I'd highly recommend it!


Macrium Reflect runs in WinXP or later!

Macrium Reflect, while running in WinXP, can copy
the C: partition while the OS continues to run. It uses VSS
to do that (Volume Shadow Service).

If you attempt to move a partition by: creating a new
partition, copy the files, then you'll need to do a
"fixboot" to load a partition boot sector, and you'll
need to set the boot flag on the partition as well.
If the MBR has no boot code in it (not the same thing
as the PBR), then you need to do "fixmbr" for that to work.
If WinXP was already on the machine, got deleted somehow,
the MBR 440 bytes of code might already be ready to go.
So your XXClone method, either that program has some of
those other details worked out, or you did the other
details manually.

Some backup/copy/clone utilities, don't use VSS, and
then the computer must be rebooted so that the tool can
make its copy. I might have some old version of Ghost
that works that way here. But on WinXP or later, with
VSS, there is a lot less need to reboot, to copy C: somewhere.

Paul


  #22  
Old March 11th 14, 10:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:59:57 -0400, Paul wrote:

The INIT string could include stuff similar to my
example "ATQ0V1E0", followed by things like a phone
number "ATDT5551212". They may break the string into
separate AT commands, or attempt to load the whole
thing in one shot. This portion of the transaction,
is before PPP begins to run, and send authentication
info. If you specify some form of encryption in your
PPP session, the authentication info may be
encrypted. None of that is important at the moment,
because we don't care about the PPP stuff. Just the
Hayes strings matter at the moment. Stuff that will
be very near to the beginning of the trace. You can
replace the phone number with 5551212 when you post
the strings you find. I don't plan on testing your
modem pool. And please don't post the strings with
your PPP username or password, if they happen to be
in plaintext.

Paul


This looks like it will take awhile, but I found the init string on my
W98 machine, in the registry. Its
AT S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4
This was located in the registry under Serial - modems (something like
that).

I wanted to try this string on XP, but cant find where to put it....

I went back to the internal PCTEL modem, because I need the ext modem on
the W98 machien and got tired of swapping them. That modem is on Com3.
Somewhere in the Device Manager settings, I believe under "Ports", it
only shows Com 1 and 2. Why 3 is not shown is beyond me. I recall
being able to put in a Init String in there. I dont know how to change
the port either. It shows either Com1 or Com2 in use, I forget which
one. Probably for the Mouse, is my guess.

I still cant believe no one has written some software that will just
setup a modem to the best settings. and not require any manual stuff!!!!

I was wondering if this is possible???? There are some devices sold
(not sure what they are called), that connect to a high speed internet
connection, and send out a WIFI signal. I wonder if I could hook one of
them to my phone line, and eliminate the modem all together????
Of course I'd then hae to get some sort of device on the computer to
receive WIFI, or use my laptop which has that built in.

Comment, this modem stuff has got to be the worst and most complicated
thing about computers. All those commands are damn near as bad as
setting up linux, which is why I avoid linux like the bubonic plague.


I really think you should record all the AT strings with PortMon.
In my imagination, they would work like this (I have no working
account any more, to test dialup with).

AT_default_strings --- sets up things like hardware flow control
AT_extras --- now, the user has their string, pasted on the end
ATDT4025551212 --- now the number is dialed

OK, so you say you see the default string. Say you were
to craft an AT_extras, like this.

AT
(command that resets the modem)
(rest of string you really wanted to use)

If that command was to execute as an "extra", it would
override the default string that had been already sent.
And that's why a user's "extra" string, would be
sent after the default string. If the "extra" string
is empty, then nothing gets overridden.

The letter "Z" is a way to reset the modem, as in ATZ.
Did out your Hayes command set for the modem...

So you don't necessary have to edit the Registry,
to get a desired result. If you craft a crafty
Extras string, it'll just override the default one.
Because it comes after it, and you can issue a reset
with the letter Z.

AT Z S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4 --- Paul makes his own Extra.

*******

I have a US Robotics modem. WinXP has a driver for it,
but my modem consists of a modem number and a version
number, and my version number is too old to be compatible
with the driver.

Instead, I had to select a "generic" driver called Unimodem.
And that turned out to work great. Gives me 43K to Freenet.
(I.e. Any connection better than 33.6K means negotiation
of a 56K rate is taking place. The line quality may not be
the best, but at least everything is working.)

So you can have more than one driver available, to use
with a modem. If you have a working driver for your
external, there's probably no reason to go attack it now.

*******

I supposed I'm required to decode your INIT string :-)

http://support.usr.com/support/3453b...lphabetic.html

AT S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4

S0=0 Turn off AutoAnswer. Won't answer a Fax call.
E0 Turn off character echo
V1 Verbose status messages (English text)
Q0 Display result codes
&C1 Modem uses Carrier Detect signal - assert CD when connected
&D2 Computer must use DTR signal, before attempting transmit
X4 Controls level of detail in result codes.
The X4 value is the Microsoft default amount.

So there is nothing controversial about those commands.
But there could be another AT command sandwiched in there.
And that's what PortMon is for. To find them and list them.

If you happen to mention the model of modem you want
to get working, it's going to be easier to figure out
what the Hayes commands are doing. Some of the commands
on my US Robotics are proprietary. Just a few of them.

Paul
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Old March 11th 14, 11:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:54:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

Macrium Reflect runs in WinXP or later!

Macrium Reflect, while running in WinXP, can copy
the C: partition while the OS continues to run. It uses VSS
to do that (Volume Shadow Service).

If you attempt to move a partition by: creating a new
partition, copy the files, then you'll need to do a
"fixboot" to load a partition boot sector, and you'll
need to set the boot flag on the partition as well.
If the MBR has no boot code in it (not the same thing
as the PBR), then you need to do "fixmbr" for that to work.
If WinXP was already on the machine, got deleted somehow,
the MBR 440 bytes of code might already be ready to go.
So your XXClone method, either that program has some of
those other details worked out, or you did the other
details manually.

Some backup/copy/clone utilities, don't use VSS, and
then the computer must be rebooted so that the tool can
make its copy. I might have some old version of Ghost
that works that way here. But on WinXP or later, with
VSS, there is a lot less need to reboot, to copy C: somewhere.

Paul


I think Macrium Reflect noticed I was running W98, and refused to
download for me??????? obviously i could not Download it on the XP
machine with a broken moden connection.

Those tow other programs, I downloaded both insisted that I did not have
VSS loaded, yet when I went to task manager, it WAS loaded. I even
manually entered it. This being a new install of XP, should have all
that stuff working, so I have no clue what the problem was.

XXClone did have me reboot, but thats not a big deal. Actually I did
this.

Ran XXClone, using the option to copy the whole partition (it has the
option to copy just the Windows stuff), which I ran first, and realized
that I'd lost all the "program files" stuff, so I started over and
cloned the whole partition. I shut down, unplugged the originakl drive,
changed the cable so it's on the end of the IDE cable, and then the
copied drive would not boot. (It said in the program that I "might"
have to use the "copy boot files". I changed all my cables to use both
drives again, used the "copy boot files" in that program, shut down,
changed the cable again, and turned on the computer. It booted right
up.

There is an option in XXClone to edit the boot.ini file, allowing it to
boot from the NEW drive, not the original, with both connected, but I
decided not to mess with that. I wanted to remove the original drive
completely, anyhow.

All of this just took a half hour, and I never even read the
instructions for XXClone. I could do the whole thing in less than 10
minutes now that I know what to do.

XXClone is supposed to be used to make backups too, which I assme means
copying everything EXCEPT the boot files. I'll be trying it for that
use. I have never used any backup software in the past. On my W98
computer, dual booted to Win2K, I would just use either Win2k to copy
everything to a USB drive (because W98 dont have drivers for that USB
drive). I'd copy everything from all partitions to the USB drive,
except the core files of Win2K. But I found a workaround for that.
From Win98, I would copy the core folders WINNT and DOCS AND SETTINGS to
a separate folder on my drive I: *(my work partition). That way, while
Win2k was running, I could still copy all it's files to the backup
drive, without having the copy fail because of some programs not being
allowed to be copied. I never copied the SWAP FILE. That gets
recreated anyhow.

I think XXClone will make an easier backup. I refuse to use backup
programs that create a huge file containing a whole partition. If I
crashed W98, due to deleting some core file, I want to be able to go to
my backup, and copy that file back (usually from Dos).

Plus with an individual copy of each file, I can take my backup USB
drive, plug it into another computer, and (for example) copy all my home
made Wallpapers to that other computer, without having to run more
software (backup program). I still recall back when I ran Windows 3.x,
I used some sort of backup software that created a huge file on an old
tape backup. Somehow the tape got corrupted, and I lost the whole
thing. Worse yet, I recall doing a floppy backup once that would span
floppies. I had to use around 80 floppies. If one floppy went bad, the
whole thing was useless. THANK GOD WE DONT HAVE TO DO **** LIKE THAT
ANYMORE!

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Old March 11th 14, 11:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:25:04 -0400, Paul wrote:


I really think you should record all the AT strings with PortMon.
In my imagination, they would work like this (I have no working
account any more, to test dialup with).

AT_default_strings --- sets up things like hardware flow control
AT_extras --- now, the user has their string, pasted on the end
ATDT4025551212 --- now the number is dialed

OK, so you say you see the default string. Say you were
to craft an AT_extras, like this.

AT
(command that resets the modem)
(rest of string you really wanted to use)

If that command was to execute as an "extra", it would
override the default string that had been already sent.
And that's why a user's "extra" string, would be
sent after the default string. If the "extra" string
is empty, then nothing gets overridden.

The letter "Z" is a way to reset the modem, as in ATZ.
Did out your Hayes command set for the modem...

So you don't necessary have to edit the Registry,
to get a desired result. If you craft a crafty
Extras string, it'll just override the default one.
Because it comes after it, and you can issue a reset
with the letter Z.

AT Z S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4 --- Paul makes his own Extra.

*******

I have a US Robotics modem. WinXP has a driver for it,
but my modem consists of a modem number and a version
number, and my version number is too old to be compatible
with the driver.

Instead, I had to select a "generic" driver called Unimodem.
And that turned out to work great. Gives me 43K to Freenet.
(I.e. Any connection better than 33.6K means negotiation
of a 56K rate is taking place. The line quality may not be
the best, but at least everything is working.)

So you can have more than one driver available, to use
with a modem. If you have a working driver for your
external, there's probably no reason to go attack it now.

*******

I supposed I'm required to decode your INIT string :-)

http://support.usr.com/support/3453b...lphabetic.html

AT S0=0 E0 V1 Q0 &C1 &D2 X4

S0=0 Turn off AutoAnswer. Won't answer a Fax call.
E0 Turn off character echo
V1 Verbose status messages (English text)
Q0 Display result codes
&C1 Modem uses Carrier Detect signal - assert CD when connected
&D2 Computer must use DTR signal, before attempting transmit
X4 Controls level of detail in result codes.
The X4 value is the Microsoft default amount.

So there is nothing controversial about those commands.
But there could be another AT command sandwiched in there.
And that's what PortMon is for. To find them and list them.

If you happen to mention the model of modem you want
to get working, it's going to be easier to figure out
what the Hayes commands are doing. Some of the commands
on my US Robotics are proprietary. Just a few of them.

Paul


At least I now know what my W98 string is doing.....

My modem is a PCTEL PLATINUM V.92. (Internal).

---OTHER NUMBERS FROM ON THE MODEM ARE---

PCT789T-C1 on main chip

c216p34 on barcode tag

on a sticker:
replace with compaq spare 239887-004
MDM PCI V.90 PLATINUM
5F0214

another# on the circuit board - bp pll e186014

---------

I really prefer external modems, but that one was in the computer, and
like I said, I am tired of swapping my external one between computers.
I must say that in the past, I have had best of luck with USR modems,
but every year at least one modem gets fried by lightning (soemthing
those of us on farms have to cope with because of the long phone lines
ending in only one home). And, yes, I do try to unplug the phone cord
when I am not using the computer, but all it takes is for me to be
downloading something when I drive to town to get a loaf of bread, and a
freak storm comes along, and ZAP! So, I just buy whatever modem is
cheap on ebay these days. On W98, I can prretty much plug in any
external modem, install the drivers and it works right off the bat.
The USR modems seemed slightly faster, but they are always high priced.
I have fried 3 or 4 USR V-Everything modems, and they always seemed to
work the best, but also seemed to fry the easiest.

This external Creative modem was cheap. The power module was made for
some foreign weird plug with 240 volts. But the output from that module
was the same voltage as the modules from some of the dead USR modems, so
I just used that module from the old USR that had fried. I always save
those power modules for other uses, when the modems fry.


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Old March 11th 14, 02:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 03/10/2014 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:13:09 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:


Actually if the original is booted with the clone drive (even before it
is cloned) it is now marked by the original XP (NT really). Now when you
clone it under the original OS, all of the original information is also
now on the clone, even knowledge of this cloned drive. So it is too late
to disconnect and reboot. The problem is already there. I have seen this
more times than I care to recall. Win98 FDISK's bug is an easy way to
fix it.

--


To let everyone know what happened. After taking a break from working
on this, which was driving me batty, I tried to download Macrium, which
Paul suggested. Being booted and online under Win98, it would not let
me access the thing. I did some sort of work-around on the site, and
faced a 180meg file. Way too big for my dialup connection. (I do
question why a program to simply copy a partition needs to be that big).

Anyhow, after downloading several #$%^& demos, and two programs from
"Runtime software" , that isnisted I need VSSVC.EXE running in task
manager (which WAS running), I deleted all that crap, and found XXCLone.
It was a small download of about 4 megs, and worked perfectly. I had to
run two operations. One copied all fiels on the partition to the new
drive, the second one installed the boot files.

I now have a duplicate of the original 10g hard drive, on a larger
drive, and it boots just fine. Since then, I installed SP3. I now have
a good working computer with XP SP3. The bad thing, is that my whole
intention was to setup this XP machine to mostly be used for the
internet, because there are no browsers that work properly in Win98
anymore. The bad news is that no matter what I have tried, I can not
get a usable connection to the internet via dialup. I can connect at
32k to 39k, (slightly slower than my usual connection using Win98, which
generally ranges from 38k to 48k). But when connected via XP,
regardless of speed, I can not transfer data. For example, I had to
wait 12 minutes to just open a google home page.

I



I already gave you the solution on your previous thread but you ignored it.

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Old March 11th 14, 02:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 3/9/2014 2:22 PM, philo wrote:
It really does look like Partition Magic failed but I did think of one
more thing.


On 3/11/2014 8:43 AM, philo wrote:
I already gave you the solution on your previous thread but you ignored it.


Looks like Casey did follow your advice to me. As Casey didn't use
Partition Magic with the next attempt.

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Old March 11th 14, 03:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 03/11/2014 08:58 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 3/9/2014 2:22 PM, philo wrote:
It really does look like Partition Magic failed but I did think of one
more thing.


On 3/11/2014 8:43 AM, philo wrote:
I already gave you the solution on your previous thread but you
ignored it.


Looks like Casey did follow your advice to me. As Casey didn't use
Partition Magic with the next attempt.




I was (not so clearly) mentioning the problem he is having with dial-up.


Back when I used dial-up I had the same problem with many win-modems in
that under Win2k they could not connect at anywhere near the speed as
they could under Win98.


The sure-fire solution was to use an external serial modem.

No matter what OS I used, a serial modem always worked with no problems.
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Old March 11th 14, 04:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 3/11/2014 9:56 AM, philo wrote:
On 03/11/2014 08:58 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 3/9/2014 2:22 PM, philo wrote:
It really does look like Partition Magic failed but I did think of one
more thing.


On 3/11/2014 8:43 AM, philo wrote:
I already gave you the solution on your previous thread but you
ignored it.


Looks like Casey did follow your advice to me. As Casey didn't use
Partition Magic with the next attempt.


I was (not so clearly) mentioning the problem he is having with dial-up.

Back when I used dial-up I had the same problem with many win-modems in
that under Win2k they could not connect at anywhere near the speed as
they could under Win98.

The sure-fire solution was to use an external serial modem.

No matter what OS I used, a serial modem always worked with no problems.


I too had my share of WinModems problems as well back then. Then I
switched over to external RS-232 hard modems and they were solid as a
rock. I suppose my Gateway M465 machines has a WinModem in them.
Although those seem to work okay.

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Old March 11th 14, 08:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 03/11/2014 10:15 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 3/11/2014 9:56 AM, philo wrote:
O.

No matter what OS I used, a serial modem always worked with no problems.


I too had my share of WinModems problems as well back then. Then I
switched over to external RS-232 hard modems and they were solid as a
rock. I suppose my Gateway M465 machines has a WinModem in them.
Although those seem to work okay.




I am sure not all win-modems give poor performance with Win2k/XP
but I sure ran across many that did.

Back then I ran so many different operating systems,


Windows, OS/2, Solaris. Linux, BSD etc that the external serial modem
was the only way to go.
 




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