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Old July 6th 19, 07:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.

I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert
¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul
Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once
but got to a point where it said it required administrator
account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator.

I'm not sure what you want me to do
at this point? I went to the link
provided but am confused what I am
suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update
repair tool and then download it?

I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it.

Robert




In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780
recently and it said that my Firefox was
out of date along with other programs.So
I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox
and updated it but then it asked me to
provide a password to keep it in sync. I
didn't know what that was so backed out.
However I got two messages on the 8500
that the Firefox password had changed.

How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500.
and the 780 doesn't seem different and I
didn't know what programs were outdated
as it didn't specify.

Robert


You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text.

"When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is
stored with your saved passwords in the password manager.

Your master password must be entered so Sync can
access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the
master password has been entered, Sync can also
access your other saved passwords and sync them
between your devices."

You appear to be passing passwords between the two
computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site.

I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales
pitches are totally ineffective on me.

*******

As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement
goes, Google is giving me no help at all.

I could come up with a means to get the "too large" version
of Windows 10, but then that needs dual layer media. And not
even *I* will stoop to such stupidity. If Windows 10 required
me to buy dual-layer media, Windows 10 would not be in my
computer room... It's that simple.

I noticed something else while analyzing the situation:

11 OS version (too big)

Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes (needs dual layer DVD)

install.wim inside... === everyone gets the same file
The DVD can be obtained using a Torrent.

SHA256: 9846DFBDD7C39EB8D025E0F28E180C6F4084ECF87ECD11805C D19C205F7A3B4E

And using that checksum, I could get a torrent with that on it.
Except it's unfit for the DVDs in hand!

The MediaCreationTool1903 version:

7 OS version (fits a single layer DVD)

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes

install.esd inside... === everyone gets a *different* file.
Computing a SHA256 is useless.

There is *no way* to validate a torrented version as
being authentic. Shades of Windows 8 nightmares.

The ESD doesn't appear to be encrypted, but some strings
inside the file are probably generated on-the-fly by the
preparation tool. This means there is no way to prove the
authenticity.

*******

I can find *no* authoritative error code listing.

0x8007139F - 0x90019

That could be related to Windows Update. But the second
number is important too. What error is that ?

Only the two log files might give us a hint now.

*******

Why have these people *insisted* on turning something
simple, into an "IT project" ????

"Here, let's take something simple and make it
complicated. Heh heh heh."

Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts
get a copy of Windows 10 ?

I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version,
which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to
"torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed
to be a simple project.

*******

What we *can* do, is fetch a *stale* copy of Windows 10,
and you can use that for install. Now, how pleasant is that ?

DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media
DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes /

Most likely Heidoc values on size.

These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums.

1903 x64 4,939,528,192 bytes
1809 x64 5,075,539,968 bytes (last version) 11 OS version
3,849,388,032 bytes (first version) 7 OS version
1803 x64 4,692,365,312 bytes You can see how close to the limit this is!!!
1709 x64 4,697,362,432 bytes
1703 x64 4,334,315,520 bytes
1511 x64 4,017,000,448 bytes

Using your web browser, load the *First* link here, which is
for the x64 version of release 1809. The download should
be 3,849,388,032 bytes. I generated this link using the Heidoc
URL generator.

https://software-download.microsoft....b2 07c49fa8d4

https://software-download.microsoft....cd 74bf365234

Link valid for 24 hours
Link expires 7/7/2019 3:25:08AM UTC

There's no guarantee this is going to work, so
it could be a waste of a DVD and of your bandwidth.

It's either this, or analyze logfiles...

Paul




The only password I use on FF is my Administration
password but I don't recall having to sign-on to
sync my computers with my User Account and the
Username is different on both computers so how
could one affect the other?

Regarding Win10, as you say; I thought this was
going to be a simple straight forward procedure
but I see its turning into another problem like
finding the drivers or the file to stop the pop-
up.

I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are
now designing computers so they'll break, come up
with errors or lead down a treacherous path
with no verification that its valid.

I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in
obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it
but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible.

I followed your instructions and downloaded the
first link which is for 64bit:

http://i64.tinypic.com/25rf7eb.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2lm58r6.jpg

I inserted a DVD-R but says there's not enough room,
what am I suppose to be using? What am I doing wrong?


Thanks,
Robert


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  #62  
Old July 6th 19, 08:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.

I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert
¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul
Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once
but got to a point where it said it required administrator
account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator.

I'm not sure what you want me to do
at this point? I went to the link
provided but am confused what I am
suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update
repair tool and then download it?

I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it.

Robert


In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780
recently and it said that my Firefox was
out of date along with other programs.So
I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox
and updated it but then it asked me to
provide a password to keep it in sync. I
didn't know what that was so backed out.
However I got two messages on the 8500
that the Firefox password had changed.

How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500.
and the 780 doesn't seem different and I
didn't know what programs were outdated
as it didn't specify.

Robert

You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text.

"When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is
stored with your saved passwords in the password manager.

Your master password must be entered so Sync can
access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the
master password has been entered, Sync can also
access your other saved passwords and sync them
between your devices."

You appear to be passing passwords between the two
computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site.

I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales
pitches are totally ineffective on me.

*******

As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement
goes, Google is giving me no help at all.

I could come up with a means to get the "too large" version
of Windows 10, but then that needs dual layer media. And not
even *I* will stoop to such stupidity. If Windows 10 required
me to buy dual-layer media, Windows 10 would not be in my
computer room... It's that simple.

I noticed something else while analyzing the situation:

11 OS version (too big)

Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes (needs dual layer DVD)

install.wim inside... === everyone gets the same file
The DVD can be obtained using a Torrent.

SHA256: 9846DFBDD7C39EB8D025E0F28E180C6F4084ECF87ECD11805C D19C205F7A3B4E

And using that checksum, I could get a torrent with that on it.
Except it's unfit for the DVDs in hand!

The MediaCreationTool1903 version:

7 OS version (fits a single layer DVD)

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes

install.esd inside... === everyone gets a *different* file.
Computing a SHA256 is useless.

There is *no way* to validate a torrented version as
being authentic. Shades of Windows 8 nightmares.

The ESD doesn't appear to be encrypted, but some strings
inside the file are probably generated on-the-fly by the
preparation tool. This means there is no way to prove the
authenticity.

*******

I can find *no* authoritative error code listing.

0x8007139F - 0x90019

That could be related to Windows Update. But the second
number is important too. What error is that ?

Only the two log files might give us a hint now.

*******

Why have these people *insisted* on turning something
simple, into an "IT project" ????

"Here, let's take something simple and make it
complicated. Heh heh heh."

Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts
get a copy of Windows 10 ?

I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version,
which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to
"torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed
to be a simple project.

*******

What we *can* do, is fetch a *stale* copy of Windows 10,
and you can use that for install. Now, how pleasant is that ?

DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media
DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes /

Most likely Heidoc values on size.

These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums.

1903 x64 4,939,528,192 bytes
1809 x64 5,075,539,968 bytes (last version) 11 OS version
3,849,388,032 bytes (first version) 7 OS version
1803 x64 4,692,365,312 bytes You can see how close to the limit this is!!!
1709 x64 4,697,362,432 bytes
1703 x64 4,334,315,520 bytes
1511 x64 4,017,000,448 bytes

Using your web browser, load the *First* link here, which is
for the x64 version of release 1809. The download should
be 3,849,388,032 bytes. I generated this link using the Heidoc
URL generator.

https://software-download.microsoft....b2 07c49fa8d4

https://software-download.microsoft....cd 74bf365234

Link valid for 24 hours
Link expires 7/7/2019 3:25:08AM UTC

There's no guarantee this is going to work, so
it could be a waste of a DVD and of your bandwidth.

It's either this, or analyze logfiles...

Paul




The only password I use on FF is my Administration
password but I don't recall having to sign-on to
sync my computers with my User Account and the
Username is different on both computers so how
could one affect the other?

Regarding Win10, as you say; I thought this was
going to be a simple straight forward procedure
but I see its turning into another problem like
finding the drivers or the file to stop the pop-
up.

I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are
now designing computers so they'll break, come up
with errors or lead down a treacherous path
with no verification that its valid.

I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in
obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it
but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible.

I followed your instructions and downloaded the
first link which is for 64bit:

http://i64.tinypic.com/25rf7eb.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2lm58r6.jpg

I inserted a DVD-R but says there's not enough room,
what am I suppose to be using? What am I doing wrong?


Thanks,
Robert


I tried my best.

I guess I should have downloaded it and verified the size.

It sounds like the Heidoc URL fetched the later one.

Win10_1809Oct_English_x64___10.0.17763.107.iso 5,075,539,968 bytes

Well, that's not going to work.

The one I selected was supposed to be the smaller one.

Win10_1809_English_x64___10.0.17763.1.iso 3,849,388,032 bytes

I think I understand what is going on. It's possible
I used a MediaCreationTool to get the smaller one, and
it wasn't a Heidoc method. The thing is, I didn't know
about the possibility of these different sized medias
until just recently.

*******

OK, so you've got a bloated piece of crap. Now what ?

I wrote an article on May 26, on how to shrink media
in this case. Reducing the OSes on the DVD from
11 OSes to 1 OS image, makes the DVD 500,000,000 bytes
smaller. Which allows it to fit on a DVD.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E

However, this is not an easy project to carry out.

Which is why I didn't really want to share this.
Much cursing and swearing. And I have lots of OSes
and environments, so I can cherry-pick the "best materials"
for work like this. I never intended to do one of these
with one arm tied behind my back.

I'm pretty severely constrained on how I can craft
a solution for you. And I can see now how the simple
method isn't going to work, because that stupid bloated
one is going to keep showing up.

*******

OK. Another try.

Could you run the MediaCreationTool1903.exe on the 780 ?

Does that work, or does it conk out ?

Paul








  #63  
Old July 6th 19, 10:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Posts: 2,679
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Looking _only_ at the Firefox bits!

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

[]
In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780
recently and it said that my Firefox was
out of date along with other programs.So
I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox
and updated it but then it asked me to
provide a password to keep it in sync. I
didn't know what that was so backed out.
However I got two messages on the 8500
that the Firefox password had changed.


If you use Firefox on two or more machines, but find that any (remote
site) password you store on one machine is usable from the other one(s),
then, at some point, you have signed up to "Firefox sync". (I think it
sync.s bookmarks, and possibly some other settings, too.) When you run
Firefox, it connects to the mozilla server to sync the two (or more)
machines; it does this automatically, including a password for the
connection to the sync server (which apparently is a pain - or
impossible - to get back if you forget it and need it, such as when
setting up a new machine you want synced to the others).

How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500.
and the 780 doesn't seem different and I
didn't know what programs were outdated
as it didn't specify.

Robert


You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text.

"When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is
stored with your saved passwords in the password manager.

Your master password must be entered so Sync can
access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the
master password has been entered, Sync can also
access your other saved passwords and sync them
between your devices."

You appear to be passing passwords between the two
computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site.

I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales
pitches are totally ineffective on me.


I don't think he was getting the prompt(s) from Firefox; he "ran a Smart
scan" which told him his Firefox was out of date "along with other
programs". I presume "a Smart scan" is some third-party "am I up to date
on everything" utility. [I steer clear of such things as more likely to
generate FUD than be useful, but each to his own.]

*******

As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement

[snip]
Why have these people *insisted* on turning something
simple, into an "IT project" ????

Because they can, and nobody - certainly no single government - is big
enough to stop them.

"Here, let's take something simple and make it
complicated. Heh heh heh."

Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts
get a copy of Windows 10 ?


I've rather enjoyed watching your (Paul) attitude to MS changing over
the last year or three (-:.

I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version,
which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to


Commendable!

"torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed
to be a simple project.

(-:
[]
DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media
DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes /


I never knew that (that they were different).

Most likely Heidoc values on size.

These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums.


Useful table.
[]
The only password I use on FF is my Administration
password but I don't recall having to sign-on to
sync my computers with my User Account and the
Username is different on both computers so how
could one affect the other?


AIUI, the syncing is done by Firefox automatically for you, i. e. it
remembers and sends the necessary password. Which is different (I think)
to any Firefox master password. I _think_ you can sync Firefoxes on
different machines with different usernames (I think you can sync a
version on a 'phone, for example, to one on a Windows machine).
[]
I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are
now designing computers so they'll break, come up
with errors or lead down a treacherous path
with no verification that its valid.


Yes, cars are getting too complex too, certainly from the user's point
of view (i. e. the changes give most of _us_ no benefit now).

I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in
obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it
but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible.


Personally, I'm just keeping imaging (my W7 machine). If the time comes
when the computer dies, and I can't find another one with W7-32 on it
and have to get a W10 one (or Linux), then it'll have the W10 already
there - so I'm not worrying about getting an entitlement. Not to say you
shouldn't try, having gone this far!
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't like activity holidays. I like /inactivity/ holidays.
- Miriam Margolyes, RT 2017/4/15-21
  #64  
Old July 6th 19, 06:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert


Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul




I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert








  #65  
Old July 6th 19, 06:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert

Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul




I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert


I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul
  #66  
Old July 6th 19, 06:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul




I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert


I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul


ugh all that work! Tinypic was giving
me trouble on the 780,....

Let me see if I can do this

Robert
  #67  
Old July 6th 19, 07:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul




I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert


I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul



Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
  #68  
Old July 6th 19, 07:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul


I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert

I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul



Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert


No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul
  #69  
Old July 6th 19, 07:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul


I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul



Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert


No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul


I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert
  #70  
Old July 6th 19, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul

I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul

Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert

No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul


I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert


I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul
  #71  
Old July 6th 19, 10:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul

I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul

Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul


I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert


I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul


So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove
the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with
the DVD-R?

Then what happens after I boot?

After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10
on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the
blank(Win10) HD, correct?


Robert

  #72  
Old July 7th 19, 02:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul
I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul
Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul
I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert

I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul


So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove
the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with
the DVD-R?

Then what happens after I boot?

After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10
on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the
blank(Win10) HD, correct?


Robert


You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10
on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you:

right-click Start Orb : Run : "control"

will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work.

When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of
the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running
Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro
(32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install).

I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting
with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the
key off the COA sticker.

If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even
restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7,
boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just
run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7
install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check
for Activation when finished.

Paul
  #73  
Old July 7th 19, 03:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul
I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul
Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul
I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert
I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul


So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove
the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with
the DVD-R?

Then what happens after I boot?

After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10
on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the
blank(Win10) HD, correct?


Robert


You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10
on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you:

right-click Start Orb : Run : "control"

will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work.

When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of
the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running
Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro
(32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install).

I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting
with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the
key off the COA sticker.

If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even
restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7,
boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just
run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7
install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check
for Activation when finished.

Paul



I've installed the blank drive in the 8500
and started the DVD-R but took awhile before
it started and the computer recognized it.

It wouldn't let me upgrade so I am doing a
custom install. It says its getting the files
ready for installation but have not seen ant
Win 10 Pro selections as yet.

Also am unsure of your instructions to check
it works. When I right click the Start button
I get properties and open Windows Explorer.

It just restarted the 8500 and is just hanging
Now it says getting devices ready.

Robert



  #74  
Old July 7th 19, 03:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:21:35 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul
I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul
Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul
I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert
I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul

So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove
the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with
the DVD-R?

Then what happens after I boot?

After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10
on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the
blank(Win10) HD, correct?


Robert


You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10
on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you:

right-click Start Orb : Run : "control"

will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work.

When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of
the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running
Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro
(32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install).

I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting
with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the
key off the COA sticker.

If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even
restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7,
boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just
run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7
install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check
for Activation when finished.

Paul



I've installed the blank drive in the 8500
and started the DVD-R but took awhile before
it started and the computer recognized it.

It wouldn't let me upgrade so I am doing a
custom install. It says its getting the files
ready for installation but have not seen ant
Win 10 Pro selections as yet.

Also am unsure of your instructions to check
it works. When I right click the Start button
I get properties and open Windows Explorer.

It just restarted the 8500 and is just hanging
Now it says getting devices ready.

Robert




It's now setting up and asking me all sorts of
questions,, asked if I wanted Cortana? I declined
because I had no idea what it was.

Now I'm at a screen Welcome to Windows where its
giving me options to get apps verified by Microsoft
and below that is make things on your screen larger.
Are you kidding me I have to download everything I
want from this point?

Behind on the desktop is the recycle bin and Microsoft
Edge icon whatever that is? I don't like this at all.

I typed runControl and I got the control panel
if I simply click on the start icon (looks like
a blank Microsoft flag logo I get things listed
alphbetically and a bunch of picture frame window
apps. I don't like this at all.

Well it looks like its installed with zero applications.
I cannot believe I have to find all the applications myself!
So every single website, webpage everything I have to add!

Anyways I did it and it seemed to load but there's
no way of checking it from your instructions.


Robert
  #75  
Old July 7th 19, 04:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul
I tried it on the 780:

http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media"

http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language"

http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged

http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged

http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged

http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged


At the end the tray opened and gave
me the option to close or burn. So I
closed the application and removed the
DVD-R.

So am I good to go?

Robert
I can only see the first two of your links.

The other images claim the image has been removed ?

If you got an ISO file, please give an indication
of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the
file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough
indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd,
and the contents vary from one person to the next.
I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't
match the filename you used. I name them so I
can keep track of them.

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso

3,967,483,904 bytes

You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the
six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"),
to burn an ISO and make bootable media
using a DVD.

HTH,
Paul
Here you go:

http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg

I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics
didn't give me the allow pop-up it
normally does and several times when
I pressed upload nothing happened and
had to click the Tinypic link to restart
it. I wonder if I messed up the 780
by getting the latest version of FF?

Maybe we can look at the 780 after this
and is if its OK?

Robert
No, those didn't work either.

Just tell me the file size, so we know
roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK.

Paul
I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working?
Here's from PostImage. They also had issues
and I had to re-try several times. Whats going
on ?

https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!"
You could stop it.
https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg


Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB
free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB

Robert
I can at least see the pictures.

If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7.

It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard
drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive,
then run the Setup.exe from the DVD.

Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard
drive in the computer you're testing that on.

For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try
a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD
is in the computer receiving the OS.

*******

The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name)
is what I was looking for.

When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account
the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents.
(A different value.)

There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your
and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different.
But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes.
(The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.)

Paul


So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove
the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with
the DVD-R?

Then what happens after I boot?

After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10
on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the
blank(Win10) HD, correct?


Robert


You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10
on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If you:

right-click Start Orb : Run : "control"

will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work.

When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of
the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running
Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro
(32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install).

I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting
with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the
key off the COA sticker.

If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even
restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7,
boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just
run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7
install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check
for Activation when finished.

Paul




I'm sending this to you from the 8500 Win10 HD
Just so you know that it's operational but I
have no idea how to proceed so I will be shutting
it down and switching back to my Main HD.

I wish Tinypic or Post Image worked otherwise
I would take pictures to show you.

Robert
 




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