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Old September 28th 19, 05:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People who are still using old machines and can't upgrade it with the
latest Windows 10 then there is an alternative.

NeverWare have an operating system that can turn your old machine into a
cloudReady device to compete with Google's chromeBook. I suggest
download a USB creator from this link:

https://usb-maker-downloads.neverware.com/stable/cloudready-free/cloudready-usb-maker.exe

The website link is here where you can read about this new operating
system for people who are jobless, unintelligent or simply hate
everything created by Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon or Adobe.

https://www.neverware.com/
https://www.neverware.com/#intro


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Old September 28th 19, 06:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 05:23:53 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

People who are still using old machines and can't upgrade it with the
latest Windows 10 then there is an alternative.

NeverWare have an operating system that can turn your old machine into a
cloudReady device to compete with Google's chromeBook. I suggest
download a USB creator from this link:

https://CUT_DATAMINING_PROFILING_LINK

The website link is here where you can read about this new operating
system for people who are unintelligent


Sounds about right. The brighter guys and gals stick to XP,
Win 7 or even migrate to Linux.
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Old September 28th 19, 10:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 05:23:53 +0100, 🤥 Good Guy 🤥 wrote:

... this new operating system for people who are jobless, unintelligent
or simply hate everything created by Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon
or Adobe.


Corrections to 🤥 Good Guy's 🤥 pork pies:

CloudReady is not new. Neverware released CloudReady in February 2015
(4.5 years ago).

Those who hate everything created by Google might not want to touch
CloudReady.

CloudReady is Google's Chrome OS. Google does not supply Chrome OS by
itself to install on an existing PC; Google wants you to buy a computer
with Chrome OS pre-installed. If you want Chrome OS by itself, you can
get builds from these three places:
1. Neverware CloudReady
2. FydeOS
3. ArnoldTheBat


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Old October 21st 19, 08:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Guy wrote:

People who are still using old machines and can't upgrade it with the
latest Windows 10 then there is an alternative.

NeverWare have an operating system that can turn your old machine into
a cloudReady device to compete with Google's chromeBook. I suggest
download a USB creator from this link:

https://usb-maker-downloads.neverware.com/stable/cloudready-free/cloudready-usb-maker.exe

The website link is here where you can read about this new operating
system for people who are jobless, unintelligent or simply hate
everything created by Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon or Adobe.

https://www.neverware.com/
https://www.neverware.com/#intro


I wasn't aware ChromeOS was subscriptionware. You buy a ChromeBook and
it comes with ChromeOS, and you're done (well, other than updates).

In contrast, only the Home edition of Neverware's CloudReady is free,
but they you are their beta tester (the same how Microsoft treats their
Home edition customers). However, for education use the cost is $20 per
year and for enterprise/corporate/business use the cost is $49/year.
All you get for the money is support (or, conversely, you get the
support that is missing from their Home edition). So, it depends on how
you use their OS. If anything other than personal beta use, it is
definitely subscriptionware (but not high priced).

https://www.neverware.com/pricing

Since support is not listed for their Home edition, looks like you'll
have to rely on peer support through their forums. At least they have
forums.

https://neverware.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/topics

"In order to function properly, CloudReady needs to communicate with
several Neverware services."

So, for those who are Google-phobic, you change to a different service
provider that can harvest the same telemetry.

Can't say who is the registrant for the neverware.com domain. They hide
behind a private domain registration using WhoisPrivacyService. Google
doesn't hide their domain behind a private domain registration (where
the domain registrar pretends to be the registrant).

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverware, they are an
American company. Likely that means their services run within the legal
confines of the USA which means they operate within a Five Eyes country;
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes. Some financial info at:

https://www.crunchbase.com/organizat...ction-overview

Notice what it says at the bottom of the page, which is:

Neverware, a Google-funded company, is the developer of the CloudReady
operating system, which enables schools and enterprise organizations
to cost effectively transform their existing computers into simple,
secure, and fast machines that can be managed right alongside
Chromebooks in the Google Admin console.

Back in the Wikipedia article, it says:

CloudReady; an operating system built on Google's open-source
operating system Chromium.

and:

Neverware identified Google a strategic partner/investor, as of
Google's investment in Neverware in the Fall of 2017

Why would Google need an alter-ego to distribute their ChromeOS?
CloudReady is ChromeOS. Perhaps Google wants to disassociate their
ChromeOS from Chromebooks and distribute under a different product title
for use on other than Chromebooks?

Neverware's CloudReady is certified to install and run only on a host
that is listed at:

https://guide.neverware.com/supported-devices/

Aren't those all laptops? So, forget about knowing if your desktop or
own-built will qualify.

Nope, don't see the point in taking a robust desktop to degrade it into
a web browser centric OS. Maybe if I had some laptops sitting in
drawers collecting dust then maybe I might donate them as cadavers on
which to test. If you aren't trying to resurrect archived hardware, I
can't see the cost of buying a qualified laptop and installing
CloudReady being cheaper than buying a Chromebook with ChromeOS already
on it.

Yeah, everyone already knows Good Guy never researches his topics. It's
not even a new OS, as Goody Pie claims. Launched in 2015, but a rehash
of ChromeOS dating back to 2011, and Google is behind both.
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Old October 21st 19, 08:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VanguardLH wrote:
You buy a ChromeBook and
it comes with ChromeOS, and you're done (well, other than updates).


You are done for a time of 6-ish years depending on the 'expiration'
date of your particular hardware as regards its ChromeOS updating.

My own chromebook's updates expires in about a year. My friend's
chromebook updates expired and she bought a new chromebook. If that had
been me, I would have either continued using the expired (non-updating)
chromeos or if I were unhappy w/ its non-updatedness, I would install a
linux Gallium OS in it.

I looked into that neverware business to try to figure it out. I'll
have to go back and refresh my 'memory' about what I learned. I do know
that I wasn't happy enough to try it. I believe there was a problem the
provided strategy about how to get it booted up that I didn't like.

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Old October 21st 19, 08:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 14:16:39 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 05:23:53 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

People who are still using old machines and can't upgrade it with the
latest Windows 10 then there is an alternative.

NeverWare have an operating system that can turn your old machine into a
cloudReady device to compete with Google's chromeBook. I suggest
download a USB creator from this link:

https://CUT_DATAMINING_PROFILING_LINK

The website link is here where you can read about this new operating
system for people who are unintelligent


Sounds about right. The brighter guys and gals stick to XP,
Win 7 or even migrate to Linux.
[]'s


A move from MS to Google? Neither seems interested in people's
privacy or security. XP, 7, and Linux are more trusted than either
chrome or W10.
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Old October 21st 19, 09:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VanguardLH wrote:
Neverware's CloudReady is certified to install and run only on a host
that is listed at:


I 'refreshed' my visit of what I might do to sample cloudready.

If I were going to do it, I would not be interested in installing it to
hdd. The provided boot image is NOT an opportunity to run a live v. of CR.

So, I would have to install it to USB. That would require an 8G USB to
put the installer on using their ditzy windows method, and then another
16 G USB to install to from their installer USB.

Personally, I would install it to a USB3 as that is the fastest I have
capabilities and then boot it on a laptop w/ a USB3 port.

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Old October 21st 19, 09:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Easter wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You buy a ChromeBook and it comes with ChromeOS, and you're done
(well, other than updates).


You are done for a time of 6-ish years depending on the 'expiration'
date of your particular hardware as regards its ChromeOS updating.


That's like saying you are "done" with Windows XP or 7 just because
Microsoft decided to stop supporting it and updates ceased. The OS
doesn't stop working because support ends or there are no more updates.
Many users continue using an OS long after support has been withdrawn.
Some actually appreciate when the updates cease.

Each Chromebook's End Of Life policy guarantees a minimum of 5 years of
*/updates/*, not the OS self-destructing to become unusable. I did not
find anything regarding Neverware's support duration, but I wasn't
motivated to delve into it. I did find:

https://cloudreadykb.neverware.com/s...prise-Editions

However, that is based on the hardware's manufacture date, not on the
age of the OS version. Also found:

https://www.neverware.com/blogconten...pport-policies

but again based on the hardware's age. I doubt they will forever
support any version and all versions of CloudReady. No mention of their
free Home edition's support lifecycle, but then there is no support for
their Home edition, anyway (other than forums).

While Neverware (Google in disguise) claims to provide a 32-bit version
of their CloudReady OS, turns out they just kill support for it. See:

https://cloudreadykb.neverware.com/s...prise-Editions

My own chromebook's updates expires in about a year. My friend's
chromebook updates expired and she bought a new chromebook. If that
had been me, I would have either continued using the expired
(non-updating) chromeos or if I were unhappy w/ its non-updatedness,
I would install a linux Gallium OS in it.


Being "done with it" was related to the expense of having the OS
available. I mentioned the updates as a further nuisance. When you buy
a Chromebook, you get ChromeOS which keeps working without any more
money paid to use it. Cessation of updates does not stop the OS from
working ... or do you know different?

Neverware's Cloudready is subscriptionware, unless you submit yourself
as a beta tester of their Home edition.

I looked into that neverware business to try to figure it out. I'll
have to go back and refresh my 'memory' about what I learned. I do
know that I wasn't happy enough to try it. I believe there was a
problem the provided strategy about how to get it booted up that I
didn't like.


Their current prerequisets are an 8+ GB USB flash drive onto which you
build the installer after plugging the USB drive into a host where the
Chrome web browser is currently available. Could be the "build" is just
to make bootable the USB drive with an image of the OS that later gets
laid onto the target drive in your computer. You build the USB
installer image, boot using the USB drive, and install the OS from that.
20 minutes for build time seems a bit long for just that ... unless the
OS image is rather large (lots of bandwidth to retrieve all the files
from their server), as indicated by the recommended size of the USB
drive.

https://guide.neverware.com/critical-requirements/

One of their "services" is your host having their OS connect to their
license server to validate you can use their OS. Since this is Google
in disguise, I suspect the same is true for ChromeOS on a Chromebook.
You need to create an account with Neverware (e-mail & password). My
bet is that registration requires a valid e-mail address for them to
send a download URL or registration code. Of course, during the install
build, you can login using "Sign in with Google".
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Old October 21st 19, 10:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-xp,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default People with old machines - Substitute for Windows 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VanguardLH wrote:
When you buy
a Chromebook, you get ChromeOS which keeps working without any more
money paid to use it. Cessation of updates does not stop the OS from
working


Correct. Only auto-updates stops happening.

Could be the "build" is just
to make bootable the USB drive with an image of the OS that later gets
laid onto the target drive in your computer.


Like some linux .iso/s that don't boot live, just boot into an installer.

unless the
OS image is rather large (lots of bandwidth to retrieve all the files
from their server), as indicated by the recommended size of the USB
drive.


Right, 8G. And 16G for the install drive.

Of course, during the install
build, you can login using "Sign in with Google".


Right, kinda like some Apple.

After 'examining' the CR biz, I decided that my 'spectrum' of such
web-centricity experience could be my existing Chromebook OS or various
linux distros which rig themselves to be web-centric to some degree.

Or I can tinker w/ an android smartphone over wifi.

I couldn't figure anything interesting enough about the CR that made me
go to the 'trouble' for it.


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