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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
Hello all,
I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files). I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather different one ... whut? I repeated the filename creation using CreateFilenameA (kernel32) , but ran into the same. :-( So, next to my above, initial need I could do with an explanation to why I can create filenames that I cannot recreate using the keyboard in "windows explorer", and possibly a method to how to get those characters anyway (preferrably by keyboard). Remark: The OS this has been found and tested on is XPsp3. Though I think that the above might well also happen on the OSes (7 & 10) of the newsgroups I crossposted to, and as such I've opted to broaden my chance of finding someone who knows about it. My apologies if I misjudged. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
R_Wieser asked:
I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols ( for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files ). 'Ω' ( Omega, U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ); any Japanese, Korean, Greek or Cyrillic letter also works. |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
R_Wieser asked:
I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols ( for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files ). Tilde (~) usually works, is easy to type, and is not displeasing to the eye. Tilde is different from Tilda. -- :- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \ to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
Jeff,
'?' ( Omega, U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ); Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? I've tried ALT (keep it pressed) x0937 (release), but that returns a copyright symbol which is sorted way before the any of letters. Not typing the leading zero 937 gives an unknown character (a small square), but is also sorted before any of the letters. I forgot to tell I already tried ALT and than a few different numbers above 255, but didn't have any luck there either. Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. Was there any reason you added "comp.os.linux.advocacy" (I removed it again) ? |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
Siri,
Tilde (~) usually works, is easy to type, and is not displeasing to the eye. As in the ASCII character 126 ? The one you often find on the top of the key left of the "1" ? Nope, it gets sorted as the 15-th (outof 216 filenames) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first.
In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first.
'乂' ( Mandarin, pronounced "Yi" ) is a "letter", by the way; it means "to mow" or strike down. |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:14:42 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello all, I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted /after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but still easy-to-reach files). I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather different one ... whut? I repeated the filename creation using CreateFilenameA (kernel32) , but ran into the same. :-( So, next to my above, initial need I could do with an explanation to why I can create filenames that I cannot recreate using the keyboard in "windows explorer", and possibly a method to how to get those characters anyway (preferrably by keyboard). Remark: The OS this has been found and tested on is XPsp3. Though I think that the above might well also happen on the OSes (7 & 10) of the newsgroups I crossposted to, and as such I've opted to broaden my chance of finding someone who knows about it. My apologies if I misjudged. Regards, Rudy Wieser Non Latin characters (not symbols) are sorted after Latin characters. e.g. Russian, Greek, Hebrew, CJK, etc. |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
R.Wieser wrote:
Jeff, '?' ( Omega, U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ); Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? I've tried ALT (keep it pressed) x0937 (release), but that returns a copyright symbol which is sorted way before the any of letters. Not typing the leading zero 937 gives an unknown character (a small square), but is also sorted before any of the letters. I forgot to tell I already tried ALT and than a few different numbers above 255, but didn't have any luck there either. Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. Was there any reason you added "comp.os.linux.advocacy" (I removed it again) ? Do a web search on U+03A9, then wipe over the letter on the page, copy, then paste into explorer. https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+03A9 It went to the bottom, in this test. https://i.postimg.cc/j50VJvHx/last-file-test.gif Paul |
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Omega ( U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ).
"R.Wieser" wrote
| '?' ( Omega, U+03A9 ) is sorted "last" ( after 'z' ); | | Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? I've | tried ALT (keep it pressed) x0937 (release), but that returns a copyright | symbol which is sorted way before the any of letters. I didn't know you could do that. It seems to do nothing for me on XP. And since when does Explorer recognize UTF-8 or unicode-16? Not in XP, as far as I know. I know there is... or was... a charmap applet for entering ANSI characters above 127, but I've never really used it. | Not typing the | leading zero 937 gives an unknown character (a small square), but is also | sorted before any of the letters. | A couple of notes... You probably know this, but others may not: 1) The display will depend on the font. Very few fonts other than MS Arial unicode will show non-ANSI characters. (I discovered that when I wanted to have a RichEdit window handle UTF-8. It turned out that via a somewhat esoteric trick, recent versions of RichEdit can do that. But my favorite coding font is Verdana, which doesn't have characters for unicode. I don't even get boxes in the RichEdit. I get whatever ANSI characters it calculated from the multibyte UTF-8 strings.) 2) When you're using ANSI characters the display will depend on the local codepage. My ASCIICat reference says 158 is "not used by ANSI codepage 1250". (Eastern Europe and sometimes Germany) I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. Wouldn't it be easiest to just use "zz" to put something at the end? I know you're a connoisseur of precise technique, but in this case it doesn't seem worth the trouble. |
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Pinyin "Yi" ( U+4E42 ) is a "letter" (ideograph).
R_Wieser replied ( to me ):
In File Explorer, Win10, "letters" are always last, English first. '乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4E42 ) is a "letter" (ideograph); it means "to mow" or strike down. Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? Google says: Press and hold down the Alt key. Press the + (plus) key ON THE NUMERIC KEYPAD. Type the hexidecimal unicode value. Release the Alt key. Was there any reason you added "comp.os.linux.advocacy" Because I know people there, and because some "distro" might provide further insight. |
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Pinyin "Yi" ( U+4E42 ) is a "letter" (ideograph).
Jeff,
Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? Google says: Press and hold down the Alt key. Lol. Thats the method I remember from my DOS times, and which I tried first. After that I googled for some others but got, as mentioned, nowhere. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?
In message , R.Wieser
writes: [] I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather different one ... whut? [] Not having a numpad (it's a laptop), I use AllChars (http://allchars.zwolnet.com/)- it only does characters in the upper 256, but I find it very intuitive: for example, Ctrl, +, - gives me ±; Ctrl, e, ', gives me é, and so on. I think even if I _did_ have a numpad, I'd probably still use it, as the sequences (not combinations) are easier to remember than the alt+0 codes. Works in at least XP and 7. (Sorry, can't help with a sort-last character. I was going to suggest ~, but you've already tried that.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times, 3-9 July 2010 |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote
| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. | | Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. | Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would want to. |
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An update to File Explorer is long past due.
File Explorer uses multiple fonts to display UTF-8 encoded file names;
it doesn't rely on just one font, as a "distro" might. Sadly, there is no way to zoom in/out. An update to File Explorer is long past due. Launching "CharMap" ( from a DOS prompt ), "Advanced View", "Character Set", gives you access to all the glyphs. Mayayana wrote: My favorite coding font is Verdana. I prefer the "OCR A" font; like this: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Visual.Studio.2019.PNG I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder. Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'. Wouldn't it be easiest to just use "zz" Yes, most definitely; but '乂' ( Pinyin "Yi", U+4E42 ) looks cooler. |
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