Windows explorer and creating a filename which gets sorted /after/ the letters ?

In message , Mayayana
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"R.Wieser" wrote
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| Any idea how I, in "windows explorer" enter that into filename ? I've
| tried ALT (keep it pressed) x0937 (release), but that returns a copyright
| symbol which is sorted way before the any of letters.

I didn't know you could do that. It seems to do nothing
for me on XP.

(a) The Num Lock has to be in a certain state - I forget which, on IIRR
- and (b) you have to type the numbers on the numpad, not the top row.
_Does_ work in XP (I think it did even in '9x). (Not having a numpad, I
now use AllChars - see previous post - and think I might now even if I
did have a numpad again.)
I know there is... or was... a charmap applet for entering
ANSI characters above 127, but I've never really used it.

Start, run, charmap (doesn't have to be from a DOS box), or it's (as
"Character Map") under Accessories (near the calculator) on XP. I think;
on 7 it's under Accessories | System Tools, so might be on XP too. I've
found it a bit awkward - in Word, it always selects a strange font size
(13 IIRR) and adds a newline, for example - but it is there.
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I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
Wouldn't it be easiest to just use "zz" to put something at the end?
I know you're a connoisseur of precise technique, but in this case
it doesn't seem worth the trouble.

I use ! for topping - easy to type and stands out.

A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you
choose sort order in Explorer (and possibly other things); the "smart"
(default) setting knows about numbers even when embedded, so sorts a1b,
a2b, a10b, whereas the dumb setting sorts a1b, a10b, a2b (i. e. sorts on
a character-by-character basis). I don't know if it has any other
differences, but it might be worth playing with. I can't remember where
it is - might have been in some tweaker utility rather than accessible
in a system menu somewhere.
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In message , Mayayana
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Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
|
| Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.
|

Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.

I often by default rename the pics from a camera as e. g. 2019-10-03
15-33-18; IrfanView can even do it automatically for all files in a
folder (batch rename string $E36867 for anyone wanting to), from the
EXIF data in the files. [I think some other image softwares can do the
same.] You might also, even without that, have "2018 results.xml", "1965
winning team.jpg", "10th draft.doc" ...

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They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats
servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times,
3-9 July 2010

"R.Wieser" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:14:42 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Hello all,

I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted
/after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but
still easy-to-reach files).

Simplest method I've found "prepend" ZZZ_ to a file name. e.g.,
ZZZ_lastfilename.txt
Unless there is a file
ZZZZ-Something else
WHich will show up after it.

Messing with special characters just adds more complexity to your
life. Unless that is something you want to learn about.
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pyotr filipivich
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:38:18
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

I often by default rename the pics from a camera as e. g. 2019-10-03
15-33-18; IrfanView can even do it automatically for all files in a
folder (batch rename string $E36867 for anyone wanting to), from the
EXIF data in the files. [I think some other image softwares can do the
same.]
Ooh, thanks. I will have to try that.

You might also, even without that, have "2018 results.xml", "1965
winning team.jpg", "10th draft.doc" ...

20191005_3rdQRT Report

Not to confuse it with the other quarterly reports.



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"Mayayana" on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:25:47 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
|
| Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.
|

Dang. I remember hashing dates to a two character prefix
(MonthDay_filename) and I _seem_ to remember it was [A..Z,0..5] so
that the dates "sorted".
But it has been many many years - back when I could assign my own
extensions {filename.QUT filename.POL, etc)

Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.

Date order 20191001_Filename.txt

I've several of the form:
_1_Shortcut
_2-Shortcut2
so it is easier for me to find them. Usually batch files.
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On 03.10.19 16:25, Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
|
| Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.
|

Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.


To get the file to display in the top of the dir listing.

Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
|
| Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.

Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.

I don't have many, but in my main folder, I've about 25 - mainly
documentation - files starting with a number/digit. Some examples:
12VDC_laptop_adapter, 160GB_Iomega_eGo, 4WD_campervan,
80Mbps_VDSL_Vectoring, 83.117.rec (IP range info). So basically any
subject/topic which happens to start with a number/digit.

And - as John (J. P. Gilliver) mentioned -, many, many folders and
files, containing photos, sorted by year/date.

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:25:47 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

| I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.
|
| Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.
|

Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.

Most folks wouldn't. That's why they call it alpha-numeric. Once you
know the rule, what's the problem?

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:14:42 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript, but
that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character, as well
as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard - alt 158, the
value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a rather
different one ... whut?


The decorated "z" is Alt 0158 and not Alt 158. The leading 0 makes a difference.


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On 03/10/2019 15:25:47, Mayayana wrote:
Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote

I use "aa" to make sure a file or folder sorts to the top of a folder.

Every number and/or symbol comes before 'a'.


Interesting. I guess it never occurred to me to name
a file or folder starting with a number. I can't imagine why I would
want to.

I do it all the time both for files and folders when sorting photos.
e.g. yearly folder named 2019, then sub folders 01 January, 02
February. 03 March, etc.

--
mick

Ralph,

The decorated "z" is Alt 0158 and not Alt 158. The leading 0 makes a
difference.

Thanks for that, and indeed it does. Didn't recon with it. Its a
character to remember.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

John,

Start, run, charmap

I forgot all about that one.

I've found a character , U+E83A (info as displayed at the bottom left),
thats sorted after all letter symbols, but have no idea what its code would
be for an ALT xxxx sequence. That is, I do not see a "keystroke:"
description in the bottom right.

Odd, although I have to type a four-digit sequence only values upto 255 seem
to be accepted (tried a few above it, but got nothing back) ...

I use ! for topping - easy to type and stands out.

:-) There are 14 symbols (apart from the space character) that are sorted
before it. Including the minus sign and singlequote. But yes, I also use
it. Hard to shake that ASCI order muscle memory.

A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose
sort order in Explorer

Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when
scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document
but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-((

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser wrote:
[...]

A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose
sort order in Explorer

Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when
scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document
but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-((

That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.

FWIW, I've about 3000 files in my home directory and by using '*' and
'?' wildcards in a 'dir' command, it's trivial to find a file if I only
know/remember part of the filename.

For example

dir *Clio*

gives me all the information files about my car, and

dir *142*

gives me all the files related to a specific laptop of ours (HP Pavilion
15-p142nd).

In my home directory, I'm actually *not* using sub-directories [1],
because it's easier to find a file with the dir-method, than to try to
remember in which sub-directory a file might be. (Yes, I could use
sub-directories and a recursive dir command (/s), but I just don't
bother.)

N.B. This doesn't mean I don't use File Explorer to access files,
it's just an extra method to find (the names of) files.

[1] Well, I do have some sub-directories, but not many.

"R.Wieser" wrote in message
...
Hello all,

I'm in the need for a filename that will be, in "windows explorer", sorted
/after/ all the ones starting with letter symbols (for non-important, but
still easy-to-reach files).

I thought I could rather easily find that out by just a small VBScript,
but that both showed a decorated "z" as the last-to-be-sorted character,
as well as an inability to recreate that character using the keyboard -
alt 158, the value I "chr( )"-ed to create the filename, came back with a
rather different one ... whut?

I repeated the filename creation using CreateFilenameA (kernel32) , but
ran into the same. :-(

So, next to my above, initial need I could do with an explanation to why I
can create filenames that I cannot recreate using the keyboard in "windows
explorer", and possibly a method to how to get those characters anyway
(preferrably by keyboard).

Remark: The OS this has been found and tested on is XPsp3. Though I
think that the above might well also happen on the OSes (7 & 10) of the
newsgroups I crossposted to, and as such I've opted to broaden my chance
of finding someone who knows about it. My apologies if I misjudged.


My method, found by trial & error, is to add a hyphen space to the front of
a file to make them appear at the top of the list.
Others have already promoted zz on the front to make the file appear last.
For other symbols, that I may occasionally need but can't remember, I keep
in a text file & copy & paste them as needed.
The tick character is the one that I've had the most problems over the
years. That's why there are several versions in the following list

✓ ✔
✓ = Alt 10003
✔ = Alt 10004
√ = Alt 0252
@ = Alt 64
ô = 0244
Degree ° = Alt 248
Diameter Ø = Alt 2205
New line = Ctrl + m
Divide ÷ - Alt 0247
Bullet • = Alt 7
Dollar $ = Alt 36
Cent = ¢ = Alt 0162
Euro = € = Alt 0128
Yen = ¥ = Alt 0165
Mu = µ = Alt 230

--
Regards
wasbit

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
R.Wieser wrote:
[...]

A sudden thought: there's a setting, in XP at least, that lets you choose
sort order in Explorer

Ah. I forgot about that one too. I disabled it ages ago. Not funny when
scrolling thru a list of names (remembering the first letter of a document
but not sure of the rest) and they appear to be unsorted. :-((

That's why I still also use the plain old 'dir' in a Command Prompt
window, i.e.

dir letter*

and Bob's your uncle.

FWIW, I've about 3000 files in my home directory and by using '*' and
'?' wildcards in a 'dir' command, it's trivial to find a file if I only
know/remember part of the filename.

For example

dir *Clio*

gives me all the information files about my car, and

dir *142*

gives me all the files related to a specific laptop of ours (HP Pavilion
15-p142nd).

In my home directory, I'm actually *not* using sub-directories [1],
because it's easier to find a file with the dir-method, than to try to
remember in which sub-directory a file might be. (Yes, I could use
sub-directories and a recursive dir command (/s), but I just don't
bother.)

N.B. This doesn't mean I don't use File Explorer to access files,
it's just an extra method to find (the names of) files.

[1] Well, I do have some sub-directories, but not many.

Have you actually _tried_ the "Everything" utility? That's _very_ quick,
works on part strings (including two or more parts), and looks in
multiple directories. I used to use dir (including with wildcards, /s,
etc.) a lot, but haven't since I installed Everything.
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