USB 2.0 is a goner

No problems here on two computers.

"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Works fine for me. All the latest updates, USB 2.0 works flawlessly. Thumb
drive works fine.

--
Ted Zieglar
"A fool and his data are soon parted."

"Numpty" wrote in message
...
USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix (more
likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1 devices on a USB
2.0
controller) from working correctly.

Try it for yourself, update your operating system to the latest patches
and
all Microsoft Update updates on offer, reboot then plug in your reliable
device such as your thumb drive and your external USB Hard drive.

The statistics shown below are my experiences, the technical people I
work
with and the clients that I support. Each instance is on XP Service Pack
2
with the latest patches installed.

Kaput!
"USB Device not recognised" (15 reported instances from individual
clients)
"Unknown Device" (15 reported instances from individual clients)
"USB Device has exceeded the power usage" (8 reported instances from
individual clients)
"Delayed write failed (only 1 reported instance of this error)

Now my question's are......Is there a problem? Is there an answer? If
this
is patch related (which my tech intuition is screaming to me) then how
the
hell did it pass the Windows High Quality Labs? How did it get released
to
the public.

I am fuming about this as there is NO FIX available on the internet.

It is not a hardware vendor problem as it has always worked fine until
about
3 - 4 weeks ago. It is not platform specific and the only common thread
is
XP
SP2 and latest updates.

An article in the MS Knowledge Base suggests "buy a powered USB hub"

Why would a perfectly good device suddenly need power when it has been
working correctly day in day out?

So the question I pose to Bill & Friends is... Is USB 2.0 a goner???

--
"Numpty"
MCP - XP, 2000 Server & 2000 Active Directory

Here's another "sanctimonius" comment. You posted the same message twice.

Originally Posted by Papa

Here's another "sanctimonius" comment. You posted the same message twice.

To my eternal shame, yes I did, and I tried frantically to undo it but alas no luck!
You see, we are not allowed to edit our posts and that's what, me being a fool as I am, was trying to do.
After all why not allow to edit a fresh post? days or even hours old, fair enugh, but within minutes??? I ask you, Why?
Still, he stated many computers not, a "SINGLE"

This is a newsgroup, not some moderated forum. When you press send, you
effectively toss the message to the wind.

lomaca wrote:

Papa Wrote:

Here's another "sanctimonius" comment. You posted the same message
twice.

To my eternal shame, yes I did, and I tried frantically to undo it but
alas no luck!
You see, we are not allowed to edit our posts and that's what, me being
a fool as I am, was trying to do.
After all why not allow to edit a fresh post? days or even hours old,
fair enugh, but within minutes??? I ask you, Why?
Still, he stated many computers not, a "SINGLE"

I'm having USB problems also. Copying about a bigabyte to a flash drive
on my laptop. Left it running when I went to bed. In the morning the
flash drive no longer worked. Unplugging and replugging only resulted
in "USB Device Not Recognized". I thought the USB device had failed.
bought another. Same problem with the new one. Both work fine on
another machine. Why did this work for a year then suddenly stop
working?

I have tired all the USB fixes (delete devices, registry changes, etc.)
Nothing helps.

Have you tried Error-checking the drive (Properties/Tools/Check Now)

"Lat47" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm having USB problems also. Copying about a bigabyte to a flash drive
on my laptop. Left it running when I went to bed. In the morning the
flash drive no longer worked. Unplugging and replugging only resulted
in "USB Device Not Recognized". I thought the USB device had failed.
bought another. Same problem with the new one. Both work fine on
another machine. Why did this work for a year then suddenly stop
working?

I have tired all the USB fixes (delete devices, registry changes, etc.)
Nothing helps.

I put the drive in another machine and reformatted it. Did not help.

"lomaca" wrote in message
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NoNoBadDog! Wrote:
You should never assume that anything that happens on a single machine
constitutes a bug. or that anyone else other than yourself is having
it.

Bobby
Why don't you please take time and read the entire post, before passing
sanctimonius judgement.
He made it abunduntly clear that it effected several (that means more
then one) machines.


--
lomaca

I *DID* read his entire post. His situation is unique and specific to
something he has done, either software or hardware. I have never seen the
problem he describes. He states he updated and then had the problem on
those machines he works with...those that he administrates, or controls. He
has the problem on all machines. The problem is mentioned nowhere else on
the internet (at least as far as Google and the Usenet groups are
concerned). Do the math. He has created a situation that causes the
problem he describes. He needs to do his own detective work. I would take a
single machine and start with a fresh OS install and device drivers, then
applications, and then updates, checking USB at each step. Eventually the
culprit will be discovered.

Bobby

"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message

Numpty wrote:
No common factor I have found other than SP2 (XP) and SP1 (Server
2003)

Regional Settings are all set to English Australia, usually set to
defaults for Power Management.

All seem to be using the Intel PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
(even the AMD machines I have worked with)

I have tried changing from the enhanced mode driver to the MS
standard and still to no avail.

The error I receive is something along the lines of "USB Device Not
Recognized" and then under USB Controllers in Device Mgr you see
Unknown Device and it will not reset itself.

Very very frustrating.


I haven't noticed any more posts than normal regarding USB here or in
other newsgroups. If it was a Windows update usually there would be a
flurry of posts immediately after the update. It could still be an
update but only in certain relatively uncommon situtations. The only
solution I can think of is take a broken machine and wipe it out.
Reinstall Windows. Start adding in drivers and updates one at a time
until it breaks again. Time consuming but probably necessary to find
the cause.

I believe a couple of patches from mid-December 2005 are the culprit, but I
don't have their numbers handy right now. Uninstalling those 2 patches
alleviates the problem a lot, but there seems to be some residual problem that
still causes Event 51 errors and the like. So never getting those two patches to
begin with may save you after a fresh re-install of Windows XP SP2, but once
those patches hit your machine, your USB 2.0 is screwed. I wonder if MCE 2005 is
any better in this regard?

You wouldn't happen to be using an extension cable or USB hub by chance
would you? I have the same exact issue on several machines. If I remove the
extension cable or add a powered USB hub, then the issue goes away.

I have the same problem as Lat47 describes, other than it was an ipod that I
left connected overnight (unintentionally). After that the computer throws up
the same message when I connect the new powered USB 2.0 hub I have bought. My
old powered 1.1 USB Hub is fine. Both are fine with my old computer. If I
connect the new 2.0 hub through the old one , the message that this device
can perform faster if connected to a USB 2.0 port appears. Yet as soon as I
connect it directly it becomes an unknown, malfunctioning device ???????

I HAVE JUST LOOKED IN WINDOWS WHILE THE HUBS ARE CHAINED AND MY USB 2.0 HUB
IS BEING INCORRECTLY SHOWN AS A REMOVEABLE DISK ???

"Crash" wrote:


You wouldn't happen to be using an extension cable or USB hub by chance
would you? I have the same exact issue on several machines. If I remove the
extension cable or add a powered USB hub, then the issue goes away.

Ignore last paragraph please - I had not noticed my card reader was still
connected to another port.
"JoyB" wrote:

I have the same problem as Lat47 describes, other than it was an ipod that I
left connected overnight (unintentionally). After that the computer throws up
the same message when I connect the new powered USB 2.0 hub I have bought. My
old powered 1.1 USB Hub is fine. Both are fine with my old computer. If I
connect the new 2.0 hub through the old one , the message that this device
can perform faster if connected to a USB 2.0 port appears. Yet as soon as I
connect it directly it becomes an unknown, malfunctioning device ???????

I HAVE JUST LOOKED IN WINDOWS WHILE THE HUBS ARE CHAINED AND MY USB 2.0 HUB
IS BEING INCORRECTLY SHOWN AS A REMOVEABLE DISK ???

"Crash" wrote:


You wouldn't happen to be using an extension cable or USB hub by chance
would you? I have the same exact issue on several machines. If I remove the
extension cable or add a powered USB hub, then the issue goes away.

I am running XP SP2 and when I plug a card reader, flash memory or a camera
into either of my 2 front USB ports I get exactly the symptoms described by
Numpty. I receive the message "USB Device Not Recognized" and then under USB
Controllers in Device Manager you see Unknown Device. However, these same
devices work fine with the USB ports at the back of the computer.

I have had to replace my hard disk within the last week so all the software
has been installed witin the last few days. I am in Australia and the Rgional
Settings are all set to English Australia. However, Power Management is not
set to the default.

Can anyone help? Tim


"Numpty" wrote:

No common factor I have found other than SP2 (XP) and SP1 (Server 2003)

Regional Settings are all set to English Australia, usually set to defaults
for Power Management.

All seem to be using the Intel PCI to USB Universal Host Controller (even
the AMD machines I have worked with)

I have tried changing from the enhanced mode driver to the MS standard and
still to no avail.

The error .

Very very frustrating.




--
"Numpty"
MCP - XP, 2000 Server & 2000 Active Directory


"Peter" wrote:

No probs here either.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing)
P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD
"Ted Zieglar" wrote in message
...
Works fine for me. All the latest updates, USB 2.0 works flawlessly. Thumb
drive works fine.

--
Ted Zieglar
"A fool and his data are soon parted."

"Numpty" wrote in message
...
USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix (more
likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1 devices on a USB
2.0
controller) from working correctly.

Try it for yourself, update your operating system to the latest patches
and
all Microsoft Update updates on offer, reboot then plug in your reliable
device such as your thumb drive and your external USB Hard drive.

The statistics shown below are my experiences, the technical people I
work
with and the clients that I support. Each instance is on XP Service Pack
2
with the latest patches installed.

Kaput!
"USB Device not recognised" (15 reported instances from individual
clients)
"Unknown Device" (15 reported instances from individual clients)
"USB Device has exceeded the power usage" (8 reported instances from
individual clients)
"Delayed write failed (only 1 reported instance of this error)

Now my question's are......Is there a problem? Is there an answer? If
this
is patch related (which my tech intuition is screaming to me) then how
the
hell did it pass the Windows High Quality Labs? How did it get released
to
the public.

I am fuming about this as there is NO FIX available on the internet.

It is not a hardware vendor problem as it has always worked fine until
about
3 - 4 weeks ago. It is not platform specific and the only common thread
is
XP
SP2 and latest updates.

An article in the MS Knowledge Base suggests "buy a powered USB hub"

Why would a perfectly good device suddenly need power when it has been
working correctly day in day out?

So the question I pose to Bill & Friends is... Is USB 2.0 a goner???

--
"Numpty"
MCP - XP, 2000 Server & 2000 Active Directory

JoyB wrote:
Ignore last paragraph please - I had not noticed my card reader was still
connected to another port.
"JoyB" wrote:

I have the same problem as Lat47 describes, other than it was an ipod that I
left connected overnight (unintentionally). After that the computer throws up
the same message when I connect the new powered USB 2.0 hub I have bought. My
old powered 1.1 USB Hub is fine. Both are fine with my old computer. If I
connect the new 2.0 hub through the old one , the message that this device
can perform faster if connected to a USB 2.0 port appears. Yet as soon as I
connect it directly it becomes an unknown, malfunctioning device ???????

I HAVE JUST LOOKED IN WINDOWS WHILE THE HUBS ARE CHAINED AND MY USB 2.0 HUB
IS BEING INCORRECTLY SHOWN AS A REMOVEABLE DISK ???

"Crash" wrote:


You wouldn't happen to be using an extension cable or USB hub by chance
would you? I have the same exact issue on several machines. If I remove the
extension cable or add a powered USB hub, then the issue goes away.


If all OPs comps are affected and nobody elses and it's v. sudden.
Maybe it's the power at his place.

I am managing hundreds of XP Workstation and 2003 Servers and can tell you:

There are strange problems with USB-Devices (most mass storage) since this
year.

I also opened a call at MS but we didn't solve the problems yet.
It is not a problem of a specific chipset or machine type.

Cheers, Bernd
MCSE + MCT

"Papa" wrote:

Strange. I have yet to hear any USB complaints on this issue (other than
yours), and I am in daily contact with a large number of people who use
modern PCs running Windows XP under SP2. My own personal network of 3
desktops and 1 laptop have had no problems whatsoever with USB 2.0, and they
all use Windows XP with SP2 and all Microsoft updates installed.

Have you tried doing a System Restore?

Have you installed new software or new hardware recently?