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Old October 16th 18, 06:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it in a
different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the mouse lights
would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when the
Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to test that
out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB port
sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the time
and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how some
had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems well
now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the 1809
update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to 1809, try
reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo

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Old October 16th 18, 08:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

"Buffalo" wrote in message news

Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it in a
different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the mouse
lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when the
Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to test that
out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB port
sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the time
and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how some
had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems well
now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the 1809
update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to 1809, try
reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo

Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last 1809
update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u
I will try it if I continue to have problems.
--
Buffalo

  #3  
Old October 17th 18, 12:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news

Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it
in a different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the
mouse lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when
the Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to
test that out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB
port sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the
time and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how
some had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems
well now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound
headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the
1809 update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to
1809, try reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo

Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last 1809
update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u

I will try it if I continue to have problems.



If you were wondering what "Smart Audio" is about, here's a hint.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ice-activation

The computer audio buffer can listen for "Hey Cortana" and wake
a sleeping (WakeOnVoice) computer. Mentions S0ix, which is a Surface feature,
so likely to work there (as the ACPI states are different on
a Surface product).

"The logs are stored in

C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"

Just to give you some idea how creepy "progress" in design is.

It means there is hardware support for "Hey Cortana".

All the hardware needs to do, is keep a buffer of data around
for when the hardware rises to S0 runstate, milliseconds
after you start speaking. Actual voice recognition would be
a lot more difficult (and, fancy).

"removed Windows Registry entries: MsftVADState and WOVState * 27 Nov 2015:
IntelWoV binary updated to version 1.2.227.0"

This is not just some HDAudio driver, run amok. It's another layer.

Paul
  #4  
Old October 17th 18, 04:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news

Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it in
a different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the mouse
lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when
the Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to
test that out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB
port sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the
time and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how
some had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems
well now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound
headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the
1809 update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse
drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to 1809,
try reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo

Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last 1809
update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u
I will try it if I continue to have problems.



If you were wondering what "Smart Audio" is about, here's a hint.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ice-activation

The computer audio buffer can listen for "Hey Cortana" and wake
a sleeping (WakeOnVoice) computer. Mentions S0ix, which is a Surface
feature,
so likely to work there (as the ACPI states are different on
a Surface product).

"The logs are stored in


C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"

Just to give you some idea how creepy "progress" in design is.

It means there is hardware support for "Hey Cortana".

All the hardware needs to do, is keep a buffer of data around
for when the hardware rises to S0 runstate, milliseconds
after you start speaking. Actual voice recognition would be
a lot more difficult (and, fancy).

"removed Windows Registry entries: MsftVADState and WOVState * 27 Nov
2015:
IntelWoV binary updated to version 1.2.227.0"

This is not just some HDAudio driver, run amok. It's another layer.

Paul

Now that is really interesting.
Thanks Paul
--
Buffalo

  #5  
Old October 18th 18, 08:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news

Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it in
a different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the mouse
lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when
the Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to
test that out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB
port sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the
time and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how
some had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems
well now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound
headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the
1809 update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse
drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to 1809,
try reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo

Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last 1809
update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u
I will try it if I continue to have problems.



If you were wondering what "Smart Audio" is about, here's a hint.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ice-activation

The computer audio buffer can listen for "Hey Cortana" and wake
a sleeping (WakeOnVoice) computer. Mentions S0ix, which is a Surface
feature,
so likely to work there (as the ACPI states are different on
a Surface product).

"The logs are stored in


C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"

Just to give you some idea how creepy "progress" in design is.

It means there is hardware support for "Hey Cortana".

All the hardware needs to do, is keep a buffer of data around
for when the hardware rises to S0 runstate, milliseconds
after you start speaking. Actual voice recognition would be
a lot more difficult (and, fancy).

"removed Windows Registry entries: MsftVADState and WOVState * 27 Nov
2015:
IntelWoV binary updated to version 1.2.227.0"

This is not just some HDAudio driver, run amok. It's another layer.

Paul

I don't have an " Intel " entry in that folder:
C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"
I am running Win10 Home 64bit.
--
Buffalo

  #6  
Old October 18th 18, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

Buffalo wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news
Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze
and wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and
putting it in a different USB slot would get it going again. Also
sometimes the mouse lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even
when the Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same
time to test that out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same
USB port sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in
my monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of
the time and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how
some had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all
seems well now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades
Spellbound headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the
1809 update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse
drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to
1809, try reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo
Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last
1809 update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u
I will try it if I continue to have problems.



If you were wondering what "Smart Audio" is about, here's a hint.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ice-activation


The computer audio buffer can listen for "Hey Cortana" and wake
a sleeping (WakeOnVoice) computer. Mentions S0ix, which is a Surface
feature,
so likely to work there (as the ACPI states are different on
a Surface product).

"The logs are stored in


C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"


Just to give you some idea how creepy "progress" in design is.

It means there is hardware support for "Hey Cortana".

All the hardware needs to do, is keep a buffer of data around
for when the hardware rises to S0 runstate, milliseconds
after you start speaking. Actual voice recognition would be
a lot more difficult (and, fancy).

"removed Windows Registry entries: MsftVADState and WOVState * 27
Nov 2015:
IntelWoV binary updated to version 1.2.227.0"

This is not just some HDAudio driver, run amok. It's another layer.

Paul

I don't have an " Intel " entry in that folder:
C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"

I am running Win10 Home 64bit.


My guess is, there is PNP (Plug and Play) information
that determines whether that driver loads or not.

I don't think any computing device I own, uses that.

It could be that KB4468550 fixes audio for people with computers
that have the "Smart Audio" feature (supporting "Hey Cortana"
Wake On Voice, or "Hey whatever they want" as a function of
the config files it comes with). The KB4468550 shouldn't
do anything to my computer, as that subsystem isn't present.
You cannot wake my computer from sleep by speaking to it.
But there are some computers running Windows 10 where that
does work. And KB4468550 is for those people.

If you have a regular computer and you have broken audio,
your odyssey starts with Device Manager (available from
the right-click Start menu). Look for "Code" errors or
colored marks indicating trouble or even, "Unknown" devices.
Look in Properties. The HardwareID in the details can
indicate the hardware bus, and there is a hardware
bus declaration for HDAudio. That's how you guess at
whether some Unknown item in Device Manager, is actually
your sound not being detected.

Paul
  #7  
Old October 19th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Posts: 686
Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message news
Win10 Home 64ibt
After that update, sometimes my Zelotes T-9 USB Mouse would freeze and
wouldn't start back up and sometime just unplugging it and putting it
in a different USB slot would get it going again. Also sometimes the
mouse lights would stop working.
I also tried plugging in another USB mouse and it would work even when
the Zelotes one wouldn't. (I had both plugged in at the same time to
test that out).
If I just unplugged the Zelotes and plugged it back into the same USB
port sometimes that would fix it and other times it would not.

After doing that, the mouse starting working again and the sound in my
monitor speakers would go ON even though I use headphones most of the
time and have it set that way.

If I rebooted, usually all would be OK.

Thought the mouse was becoming defective until I started reading how
some had 'sound' problems after the update to 1809.
After doing some checking I reinstalled my sound drivers and all seems
well now and I also reinstalled the drivers for my Sades Spellbound
headphones.

Coincidence? Possibly , but I am inclined to believe that it was the
1809 update that caused those problems. I later put in new mouse
drivers.

So, if you are having sound or mouse problems AFTER the update to
1809, try reinstalling the drivers to your sound card, or chip.


Buffalo
Sounds like this KB is the fix for the audio problems that the last
1809 update caused: KB4468550
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...from-windows-u
I will try it if I continue to have problems.


If you were wondering what "Smart Audio" is about, here's a hint.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ice-activation

The computer audio buffer can listen for "Hey Cortana" and wake
a sleeping (WakeOnVoice) computer. Mentions S0ix, which is a Surface
feature,
so likely to work there (as the ACPI states are different on
a Surface product).

"The logs are stored in


C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"

Just to give you some idea how creepy "progress" in design is.

It means there is hardware support for "Hey Cortana".

All the hardware needs to do, is keep a buffer of data around
for when the hardware rises to S0 runstate, milliseconds
after you start speaking. Actual voice recognition would be
a lot more difficult (and, fancy).

"removed Windows Registry entries: MsftVADState and WOVState * 27
Nov 2015:
IntelWoV binary updated to version 1.2.227.0"

This is not just some HDAudio driver, run amok. It's another layer.

Paul

I don't have an " Intel " entry in that folder:
C:\Windows\System32\Intel\IntelKeywordDetectorAdap ter\IntelKeywordDetectorAdapter.log"
I am running Win10 Home 64bit.


My guess is, there is PNP (Plug and Play) information
that determines whether that driver loads or not.

I don't think any computing device I own, uses that.

It could be that KB4468550 fixes audio for people with computers
that have the "Smart Audio" feature (supporting "Hey Cortana"
Wake On Voice, or "Hey whatever they want" as a function of
the config files it comes with). The KB4468550 shouldn't
do anything to my computer, as that subsystem isn't present.
You cannot wake my computer from sleep by speaking to it.
But there are some computers running Windows 10 where that
does work. And KB4468550 is for those people.

If you have a regular computer and you have broken audio,
your odyssey starts with Device Manager (available from
the right-click Start menu). Look for "Code" errors or
colored marks indicating trouble or even, "Unknown" devices.
Look in Properties. The HardwareID in the details can
indicate the hardware bus, and there is a hardware
bus declaration for HDAudio. That's how you guess at
whether some Unknown item in Device Manager, is actually
your sound not being detected.

Paul

I didn't pay attention when I went to Device Manager before I reinstalled my
sound chip drivers, but I think I would have noticed 'colored' marks next
to items in it.
Still, it doesn't matter now since all is working well after I reinstalled
drivers for my sound chip, my headset and my mouse.
Task Manager still is not working properly as it show, for example, 55% cpu
use and in the column below, only around 8% used. Not sure how to get that
going properly unless there is a fix out there. Eventually it will read 1 or
2% and that is accurate.
Thanks for all you info and advice.
--
Buffalo

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Old October 19th 18, 06:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

Buffalo wrote:

I didn't pay attention when I went to Device Manager before I
reinstalled my sound chip drivers, but I think I would have noticed
'colored' marks next to items in it.
Still, it doesn't matter now since all is working well after I
reinstalled drivers for my sound chip, my headset and my mouse.

Task Manager still is not working properly as it show, for example, 55%
cpu use and in the column below, only around 8% used. Not sure how to
get that going properly unless there is a fix out there. Eventually it
will read 1 or 2% and that is accurate.
Thanks for all you info and advice.


Task Manager on Windows 7 had the annoying property, that you
had to click a button at the bottom to have "all users" processes
displayed. The copies of Windows 10 I've installed here, don't
make you do that any more.

It's possible in Windows 10, if you were a limited user and
not a member of administrators group, that something like that
is going on. Maybe a limited user, cannot "see" as many tasks
as a person who is a member of Administrators Group. It would
be unfortunate if the computer worked that way.

On my Win10 installs here, generally everything is shown the
first time I start Task Manager. And I have the normal home-user situation
of the primary account (1000) being a member of Administrators group.
If that account is starting the Task Manager, it should have
sufficient rights to see everything.

What's missing on my Win10, is the GPU pane in Task Manager.
If you have a sufficiently new video card, the video card
resources will be displayed in Task Manager. That comes with
some version of WDDM. My card(s) are slightly too old to qualify.
My Task Manager isn't "the best it could be", because
I'm missing the GPU portion.

If you type "control" into Start : Run box, that opens Control
Panels. There should be an Accounts panel, and in there you
can check that you're a member of Administrators group.

Some people will have turned on Account 500 "Real Administrator",
and I don't know what the rules of engagement are for Task
Manager when it's run while logged in as 500. Maybe it
won't show certain stuff. Dunno.

Summary: The behavior could have to do with accounts and
what privileges the logged-in account has.

Paul
  #9  
Old October 31st 18, 11:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Buffalo[_3_]
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Posts: 686
Default Sound and Mouse in 1809 Update

"Paul" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:

I didn't pay attention when I went to Device Manager before I reinstalled
my sound chip drivers, but I think I would have noticed 'colored' marks
next to items in it.
Still, it doesn't matter now since all is working well after I
reinstalled drivers for my sound chip, my headset and my mouse.

Task Manager still is not working properly as it show, for example, 55%
cpu use and in the column below, only around 8% used. Not sure how to get
that going properly unless there is a fix out there. Eventually it will
read 1 or 2% and that is accurate.
Thanks for all you info and advice.


Task Manager on Windows 7 had the annoying property, that you
had to click a button at the bottom to have "all users" processes
displayed. The copies of Windows 10 I've installed here, don't
make you do that any more.

It's possible in Windows 10, if you were a limited user and
not a member of administrators group, that something like that
is going on. Maybe a limited user, cannot "see" as many tasks
as a person who is a member of Administrators Group. It would
be unfortunate if the computer worked that way.

On my Win10 installs here, generally everything is shown the
first time I start Task Manager. And I have the normal home-user situation
of the primary account (1000) being a member of Administrators group.
If that account is starting the Task Manager, it should have
sufficient rights to see everything.

What's missing on my Win10, is the GPU pane in Task Manager.
If you have a sufficiently new video card, the video card
resources will be displayed in Task Manager. That comes with
some version of WDDM. My card(s) are slightly too old to qualify.
My Task Manager isn't "the best it could be", because
I'm missing the GPU portion.

If you type "control" into Start : Run box, that opens Control
Panels. There should be an Accounts panel, and in there you
can check that you're a member of Administrators group.

Some people will have turned on Account 500 "Real Administrator",
and I don't know what the rules of engagement are for Task
Manager when it's run while logged in as 500. Maybe it
won't show certain stuff. Dunno.

Summary: The behavior could have to do with accounts and
what privileges the logged-in account has.

Paul

I am the "Local Account Administrator" and it is the only account, AFAIK.
I have my Task Manager checked to show 'more details'.
I do have a gray box in the Performance tab for the GPU.
Still, many times the Task Manager will be reading 40-60% CPU and the tasks
shown may only show around 8-10% all added up. All 0's after the few that
are using some CPU.
This seems to be most prevalent during the first several minutes. I have
Samsung EVO SSD 850 500GB as the only HD.
It didn't do that before that 1809 update. I use Task Manager every time the
computer is on.
Thanks for you input, Paul.

--
Buffalo

 




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