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Old October 3rd 18, 11:06 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default What is/are "Groove"?

In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed
comprehensive!

Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are
apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before -
I _think_ only in popup error boxes.

So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?
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Old October 3rd 18, 12:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed
comprehensive!

Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are
apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before -
I _think_ only in popup error boxes.

So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?


You're a man it's great to meet.
Windows 7 for ever!!!

If you'd ever looked into Win10 you wouldn't be asking this question.

Ed

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Old October 3rd 18, 12:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed
comprehensive!

Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are
apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before -
I _think_ only in popup error boxes.

So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?


Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago. It was a flop. Product
name changing didn't spur more use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_Music
https://www.windowscentral.com/postmortem-groove-music

Microsoft sometimes just cannot figure out how to be competitive against
other existing services, especially when Microsoft gets late into that
market. For example, Microsoft charges to publish an app at their store
than Google does at their Play Store. Microsoft requires an annual
renewal that costs money. Google charges a one-time fee to publish and
that's it. It is much cheaper to publish at Google's Play Store than at
Microsoft's store.

Microsoft also likes to confuse its users by using similar or same names
to different products or services. For example, they had their Outlook
product, a PIM, and wanted to associate their Internet Mail and News
program as a lite version of Outlook, so they renamed IMN to Outlook
Express (despite the filename of msimn.exe did not change). The did the
same with Groove. There is their defunct Groove music components and
service and there is their Office Groove functionality.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html

The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013. I
believe their SharePoint replaced Groove, or Groove got renamed to or
evolved into SharePoint. That you have Groove components, and if for
the Office suite, then you have an old version of MS Office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...oint_Workspace

Most users just take the default install-time configuration when they
install MS Office rather than perform a custom installation. If you do
a custom install, you'll see all the components that are selected by
default. It's your choice what to include but for some you'll probably
have to some research to find out what the hell they all are for.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove

I don't have an old version of MS Office to go into Add/Remove Programs,
select MS Office, click Change, and look in the custom select dialog to
see where Groove is in the tree list.
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Old October 3rd 18, 02:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?


Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago. It was a flop. Product
name changing didn't spur more use.

[]
same with Groove. There is their defunct Groove music components and
service and there is their Office Groove functionality.


I guessed (from the name) that it might be something to do with music,
probably selling it ...

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html

The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013. I

[]
.... but I thought that it had something to do with Office as well.

Basically - can I remove all trace of it, or at least remove it from all
the places "autoruns" shows it starting, or will that break something?
(I use Office, but only Word, Excel, and about twice a year PowerPoint
[usually when someone sends me something, which usually turns out to be
a slideshow] - definitely not OneNote. I do _nothing_ collaborative.)

[I tried
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove,
but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007
Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I
get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your
system."]
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Old October 3rd 18, 04:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 10/03/2018 06:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed
comprehensive!

Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are
apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before -
I _think_ only in popup error boxes.

So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?

That's the nice thing about autoruns. Uncheck all the groove checkboxes
and wait a week or month. If nothing seems to be effected, then go back
a delete them.

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Old October 3rd 18, 06:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I tried
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove,
but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007
Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I
get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your
system."


You sure you have a legit copy of MS Office 2007? From where did you
buy this copy of Office 2007? Maybe you got a regional distribution,
like for Asia, where the seller didn't give a gnat's fart about selling
you the correct distribution for your region. Did you use the MS
installer or did you extract from an ISO image? If the software came
pre-bundled on a pre-built computer, was the computer sold with a
software distribution for your region? When the package's languages
don't match on the one configured in Windows, you might end up having to
install a language that matches what the package uses.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...-installation/

https://support.office.com/en-us/art...rs=en-US&ad=US
If the FixIt tool doesn't work, try the manual uninstallation noted at:
https://support.office.com/en-us/art...e-17696bb3027b

Those probably uninstall all of Office 2007, so make sure you have its
license key if you later want to do a custom install (so you can elect
to NOT include Groove/SharePoint in the installation along with any
other components that are superfluous to you).
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Old October 3rd 18, 09:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I tried
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove,
but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007
Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I
get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your
system."


You sure you have a legit copy of MS Office 2007? From where did you
buy this copy of Office 2007? Maybe you got a regional distribution,
like for Asia, where the seller didn't give a gnat's fart about selling
you the correct distribution for your region. Did you use the MS
installer or did you extract from an ISO image? If the software came
pre-bundled on a pre-built computer, was the computer sold with a


I think that's where it came from.

software distribution for your region? When the package's languages
don't match on the one configured in Windows, you might end up having to
install a language that matches what the package uses.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...fix-the-error-
the-language-of-this-installation-package-is-not-supported-by-your-syste
m-during-office-products-installation/

https://support.office.com/en-us/art...from-a-pc-9dd4
9b83-264a-477a-8fcc-2fdf5dbf61d8?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US
If the FixIt tool doesn't work, try the manual uninstallation noted at:
https://support.office.com/en-us/art...l-office-4e290
4ea-25c8-4544-99ee-17696bb3027b

Those probably uninstall all of Office 2007, so make sure you have its
license key if you later want to do a custom install (so you can elect
to NOT include Groove/SharePoint in the installation along with any
other components that are superfluous to you).


They do seem to. Since I don't have the key, I won't - but those manual
removal instructions look useful, thanks.
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to know, I mean, do people want fire that can be fitted nasally?" (s1, fit
six.)
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Old October 3rd 18, 09:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Big Al
writes:
On 10/03/2018 06:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is
indeed comprehensive!
Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which
are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it
before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes.
So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?

That's the nice thing about autoruns. Uncheck all the groove checkboxes
and wait a week or month. If nothing seems to be effected, then go
back a delete them.

Sounds good. Sounds as if it's either some sort of music retailing
thing, or a collaborative feature of Office 2007, so I don't think I
need it.

What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting
them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how
does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve
the details0 but disable things?
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Old October 3rd 18, 11:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03 Oct 2018, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general:

What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and
deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the
details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must
somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things?


When you disable an item in Autoruns it usually renames a Registry
entry. When you re-enable it, it renames the entry to its previous
name.
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Old October 4th 18, 01:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting
them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how
does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve
the details0 but disable things?


When you untick (disable) an item in msconfig, it moves the item to a
special registry key just for msconfig. That is, msconfig has its own
key under which "disabled" items get moved. Since it is not in its
original startup location, it won't get loaded -- until you update the
program or change its startup option which reinstates the startup item
in the original location in which case you have a copy in msconfig's
relocation store and in the original startup location.

Some programs will recreate their startup shortcut or registry entry
when they are loaded or when they are updated, so you could have an old
disabled (moved) item listed in msconfig along with a newly recreated
item. When you reenabled (move back) the previous disabled item in
msconfig, it moves it back to the original location. If you have 2
entries in msconfig, one disabled and one enabled (because the program
or you recreated the program's startup shortcut or registry entry),
msconfig will step atop the new created entry by moving the old entry
back atop the new entry.

Which msconfig relocation store the item gets move to depends on whether
it was a per-user or all-user startup item.

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MsConfig
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig

There are subkeys for what type of startup item got disabled, er, moved.
The startupfolder will have startup programs from your Startup subfolder
under your Start Menu. The startupreg subfolder is for startup items
moved in the registry. I think a services subfolder appears to move
disabled services. The subkeys there contain the info needed to know
where to move back the relocated startup item.

You can only disable (move) startup items in msconfig. You can disable
or delete them in AutoRuns. A similar scheme is used in Autoruns with a
twist. When you disable a startup item's shortcut in the Startup
folder, AutoRuns creates a hidden subfolder under the Startup folder
with the shortcut. Since the location has changed (moving the startup
item into a subfolder), Windows won't find the shortcut in the Startup
folder. When disabling a startup item in the registry, AutoRuns creates
a subkey to hold (move) the "disabled" item.

Since msconfig and AutoRuns are using different relocation paths for
"disabled" (moved) startup items, it can get confusing when you disabled
some startup items in msconfig and other startup items in AutoRuns.
Both trick Windows by moving the "disabled" startup items to somewhere
else, so Windows won't find them at the original and standard location
for startup items.

msconfig won't list startup items in other locations, like WinLogon
events, per-account startup and logoff scripts, Task Scheduler, and
other places. AutoRuns is way more complete. Since msconfig won't
disable events in Task Scheduler configured to load on Windows startup
or when a user logs in, there's nowhere for me to find a relocation path
for those startup items for msconfig. AutoRuns will see Task Scheduler
events that load on Windows startup or upon login but I didn't not test
where it moves those "disabled" startup items. WinLogon events are
defined in the registry so I suspect AutoRuns makes a subkey underneath
where it moves the disabled startup item. Tasks defined in Task
Scheduler are stored under %WINDIR%\System32\Tasks, so maybe AutoRuns
dos the same it does for the Startup folder by creating a subfolder into
which a "disabled" scheduled event gets moved.

Mike Lin's Startup Control utility was abandoned long ago. That's why
Ant here noticed that it doesn't cover all startup locations under a
64-bit version of Windows. Been way too long since I used that tool to
remember if it could disable or just delete, and if it disabled then
where it recorded the old entries to restore them later.

Deleting startup items means their shortcut in a file system folder or
their registry entry gets deleted. There is unlikly any Undo optio,
especially for registry entries, so make sure you really want to delete
a startup item rather than just disable (move) it. I deleted by
accident once and it took several days to find out the rather complex
command line needed to recreate the startup item.
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Old October 4th 18, 03:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting
them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how
does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve
the details0 but disable things?

[]
VanguardLH wrote a very comprehensive reply; thanks.
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Old October 4th 18, 02:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 03:32:00 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote in

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting
them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how
does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve
the details0 but disable things?

[]
VanguardLH wrote a very comprehensive reply; thanks.


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Old October 4th 18, 03:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 10/3/2018 6:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite
(launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed
comprehensive!

Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are
apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before -
I _think_ only in popup error boxes.

So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?


It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it!

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Old October 4th 18, 11:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it!

See Vanguard's comprehensive reply a few posts back. It was indeed
something like iTunes and other similar music-selling systems; but, in
the way Microsoft have (OK, others may do it but MS are masters at it)
of using the same name for slightly or even fundamentally (as in this
case) different concepts, it was also the name for some aspect of one or
more versions of the Office suite - at least the 2007 one, maybe more. I
get the impression that if you don't use that feature of Office (I think
it's something to do with collaborative work), you don't need it.
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Old October 5th 18, 01:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03/10/2018 14:11, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , VanguardLH writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it
something to do with Office?


Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago.* It was a flop.* Product
name changing didn't spur more use.

[]
same with Groove.* There is their defunct Groove music components and
service and there is their Office Groove functionality.


I guessed (from the name) that it might be something to do with music,
probably selling it ...

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html

The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013.* I

[]
... but I thought that it had something to do with Office as well.

Basically - can I remove all trace of it, or at least remove it from all
the places "autoruns" shows it starting, or will that break something?
(I use Office, but only Word, Excel, and about twice a year PowerPoint
[usually when someone sends me something, which usually turns out to be
a slideshow] - definitely not OneNote. I do _nothing_ collaborative.)

[I tried
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove,
but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007
Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I
get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your
system."]


OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other
Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses
files with Groove in the name.

I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I
have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's not
simple to use.

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