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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: Further, when you do see your video switch to advertising, you can use the same plugin and see for yourself that the advertising isn't part of your video, it's actually another file entirely AND you can opt to download it too, if you wanted. Thanks for the clarification as that explains also how the youtube downloader does it. This gets the video sans slipstream: youtube-dl.exe -f 18 http://the-url-goes-here This adds the slipstream advertisement: youtube-dl.exe -f 18 --include-ads http://the-url-goes-here Although I can't imagine anyone wanting to use that switch. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: I've yet to run across a video/audio file it can't pull a local copy of for me, Try this video which had been posted before as a "harder" one to download: https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw and, it's not specific to youtube. You bring up a good point, where I also believe the youtube downloader executable I use is not specific to YouTube. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn news
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I have no trouble figuring out a console program, but unless it's absolutely the only option I never will. For the same reason that I use a key to start my car and haven't built in a crank to use instead. I'm with you in that I *prefer* an all-in-one GUI. The only problem is that I couldn't get the youtube downloader all-in-one gui to work for me so I gave up since the cost of freeware is measured in failed tests. https://sourceforge.net/projects/youtube-dl-gtk/ So I just use the command line, where I only run one of these two commands: Video download as MP4: cmd youtube-dl.exe -f 18 https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw Audio extraction as M4A: cmd youtube-dl.exe -f 140 https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw PS: I have no idea what the numbers mean as it only matters that it works. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
In message , Joe Scotch
writes: [] The problem here is that some people think all Black people are thieves, all Jews are scheisters, all Muslims are terrorists, all Italians are in the Mafia, all Germans are white supremecists, all women in skirts are whores, all gay men are sluts, etc. [] You may have a "banter with friends" use model for Usenet. My model is "ask for & improve knowledge". Two different models. "Some people think" [maybe only one person?] that you're either one or the other model. That's like (to pick one example) that people can only be heterosexual or homosexual. Most people - and it applies to newsgroups, too - are a mix of the two; most newsgroups, even technical ones like W7, _do_ have some "natter with friends" feel. It's a _bit_ rude to try to _impose_ the other, rather clinical (even if you talk about the "greater good" or similar phrases), model on a 'group that has _some_ "friends/club" feeling. Yours requires all headers to remain static. Static headers would be meaningless in my model (and privacy leaking). In either the bits I've snipped, or another post in this thread, you said something like you don't care whether it's Joe or Fred who's posting, only what the question (and answer) is. We "friends" _do_ care, and it _does_ matter to the extent that we develop a familiarity with the character of frequent posters - for example, we learn whether they sometimes post sense and/or good questions, or whether they're mad as a hatter. For myself, I don't care two hoots about headers as such, though I prefer to know a bit - such as the "Joe Scotch" identity you've adopted for this thread: thanks for doing that. As to why you chose to use that rather than the previous "identity" (regardless of headers) you used last time you posted a lot about "group knowledge" or "greater good" or whatever it was/is, I trust you a _little_ less because of the change, but not enough to worry unduly (and I know you'll say you don't care about how I see you anyway). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said the Borg, "we assimilated a Pooh." |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
He who is J. P. Gilliver (John) said on Tue, 2 Jan 2018 02:00:41 +0000:
"Some people think" [maybe only one person?] that you're either one or the other model. That's like (to pick one example) that people can only be heterosexual or homosexual. I understand your intended point which is that you feel there are something like a billion Usenet use models, one for each type of person. There are thousands of different bacteria. .... And yet, there are actual categories devised by intelligent people of gram positive and gram negative bacteria. Fancy that. Intelligent people can see similarities and differences even among thousands of species. There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of different viral particles. .... And yet, there are actual categories by intelligent people of RNA viruses and DNA viruses, Fancy that. Intelligent people can see similarities and differences even among thousands of viral particles. Most people - and it applies to newsgroups, too - are a mix of the two; most newsgroups, even technical ones like W7, _do_ have some "natter with friends" feel. It's a _bit_ rude to try to _impose_ the other, rather clinical (even if you talk about the "greater good" or similar phrases), model on a 'group that has _some_ "friends/club" feeling. Again, how could I not understand your point, where I note that my own decades-old hodge-podge newsreader agglomeration doesn't even show me *any* threads but my own. So, this "banter" model you speak of is not easily done by the likes of people like me, simply because I don't even *see* any threads but my own. And in my threads, my goal is singular. I'm extremely well educated, as you might infer from my diction - where I have plenty of scientific and engineering classes where I'm familiar with a "lab science" where you're not there to talk about your day. In a science lab you ask a question. You study the answers. You test those answers. You summarize the results. And then you write up a summary and disappear from that lab forever (moving on to the next question). While I certainly understand your idle-banter model, you should be able to respect my lab-science model. Neither is better - they're just utterly and completely different. In your idle banter model, "who" we are may be important. In my lab-science model, "what" we learn is all that matters. Yours requires all headers to remain static. Static headers would be meaningless in my model (and privacy leaking). In either the bits I've snipped, or another post in this thread, you said something like you don't care whether it's Joe or Fred who's posting, only what the question (and answer) is. I know where you're going because I am probably as old as any octogenarian on this newsgroup who has been on Usenet since before the days of home computer. What does it matter if you buy a car from "Fred" or from "Bill" if it's the same car? Why would a drink made by "George" or "Susan" matter if it's the same painting? Would your steak taste better if it was cooked by "Harold" or by "Hortense"? Now, if you just want to talk idle banter - then it *does* matter that you known whom you converse with. But not to ask a question, test the answers, and then get the hell out of there because your lab is over and done. You've extended the tribal knowledge with the lab summary, and you've archived it on tinyurl.com as best you could. HINT: Who do think *created* the tinyurl archival links in the first place? http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware http://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad http://tinyurl.com/news-software-readers etc. *You think the Usenet fairy created them?* I have posted so many times to Usenet, advancing our combined tribal knowledge, with your help, so many times that I can't even hazard a guess, but it must be in the range of ten thousand or more posts. We "friends" _do_ care, and it _does_ matter to the extent that we develop a familiarity with the character of frequent posters - for example, we learn whether they sometimes post sense and/or good questions, or whether they're mad as a hatter. You've interacted with me thousands of times. Sometimes you're reasonable, sometimes you're not. I respond to what you WRITE. I do not respond to who you are. That's my whole point of Black people all being thieves, Italians all being Mafiosi, Jews all being greedy, Gays all being sluts, etc. I don't care who you are, what your religion, what your education, what your background, what your name, etc. I only care what VALUE you add. If you add value intentionally, I thank you and combine your value with mine. If you detract value intentionally, I may call you out on that. Since I only respond to my own threads, it matters *greatly* that I stop the trolls because I don't care if they ruin some other thread - but you know that once a troll infests a thread, it's as good as dead. For me, a dead thread is a question that gets no good answers. I'm fine with a thread that *has* no good answer (hell, some of my questions have no good answers). But most have good answers. And the trolls and morons who infest the Internet will ruin any thread they touch. They're like a cancer. It has to be amputated. Or it will kill the thread. Ruthless means are often needed in the "lab science" model, whereas in the "banter model" that you enjoy - just ignoring the trolls is good enough. Two completely different use models.f Two completely different problem sets. Did you ever wonder why Penicillin only works on gram positive bacteria? Completely different things need completely different approaches. If you think all bacteria are the same, you'll completely miss that nuance just as if you think all Usenet threads are the same, you'll miss it anew. For myself, I don't care two hoots about headers as such, though I prefer to know a bit - such as the "Joe Scotch" identity you've adopted for this thread: thanks for doing that. I don't choose the identity. It's all randomized. So is my IP address. And my time zone. And my nntp provider. Even the credentials for the nntp provider are pulled out of a dictionary lookup. My interface to you is simply "vi" (literally). I don't see the headers and I don't know what they are and I don't put them there since it's all done randomly using rn and tin based engines from so long ago that I don't remember when they were first written (on UNIX, well before Linux was a thing, if that gives you a clue). What you're saying, in effect, is that you'd treat what I say differently if I was a Black man than if I was an Asian woman. I know you wouldn't do that - but that's what you're saying, in effect. As to why you chose to use that rather than the previous "identity" (regardless of headers) you used last time you posted a lot about "group knowledge" or "greater good" or whatever it was/is, I trust you a _little_ less because of the change, but not enough to worry unduly (and I know you'll say you don't care about how I see you anyway). You have conversed with me thousands of times over the years, I'm sure. Sometimes you're reasonable; often you're not. Sometimes you're helpful, sometimes you're not. It doesn't matter to me except when you try to ruin a thread (see my aforementioned need to get the "lab" done so that we can get an answer that increases our tribal knowledge). To summarize, none of you have been on Usenet must longer than I have, so we're not going to teach each other anything about our use models. You have your use model (which I understand) and I have mine (which I've explained). My use model is ten times more complex than I've explained, but mainly I care about P-R-I-V-A-C-Y from machine aggregators. As an example, there are zero pictures of me on the Internet (AFAIK). Why? Because years ago I participated in a research project where I was shocked how easily we would run FFTs on satellite photos to match objects to the photos. I realized then, well before "tagging" existed on the net, that it was just too easy for botnet aggretators to cull the net and find almost anyone from the data they post. Since I happen to post tens of thousands of posts in my lifetime (I don't know how many but what's fifty to a hundreds different technical posts a day for twenty years equal?), it would be trivial to geolocate me to my very chair with a machine that latches on to a single post. When you have sociopathic psychos like "Goodguy" on the loose, do you think that would be a good idea? PS: My friends tell me I'm half the Internet alone. |
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/nIn news
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They indicates the time when the ad would be streamed. I might be wrong about its color... orange? yellow? I actually brought up a web browser (horrible things that they are), and looked at YouTube and I see what you're talking about. The color doesn't matter - but what matters is that they "schedule" what you called 'slipstream' ads (although Diesel seems to be adding a lot of value to our combined tribal understanding of what exactly they indicate). Thanks for the information - I'm a bit rusty on YouTube ads simply because I haven't seen one in more than a year until today when I ran that test! |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
No idea why this thing went off on a tangent...
-- Joe Scotch jscotch aol.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Joe Scotch jscotch aol.com Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware Subject: Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android? Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:50:30 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: p2e3e6$rrc$1 dont-email.me References: p29m2i$rpp$1 dont-email.me farv71Fcu8U3 mid.individual.net p2co8h$6ek$1 dont-email.me Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:50:30 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="0819b29bdce2fe0beef1a293a76b8aaf"; logging-data="28524"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/kgPiQMFFQg1UlWOvziTD/sdkMle0WneM=" User-Agent: G2/1.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:vZ1DR2hh893LSGx0VHb5BkNuKxg= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:164814 alt.comp.os.windows-10:60354 alt.comp.freewa302706 /nIn news2co8h$6ek$1 dont-email.me, John Doe always.look message.header wrote: No big deal anyway, the Windows 10 group is definitely not being overrun by spam, but for people who enjoy USENET mysteries... After taking a look, it appears to be a different poster than the one who asked before. Not that the header being different is conclusive, but here are the two, beginning with the prior... By the way... The original poster can search for the prior thread if it wants other angles/answers to its question. The problem here is that some people think all Black people are thieves, all Jews are scheisters, all Muslims are terrorists, all Italians are in the Mafia, all Germans are white supremecists, all women in skirts are whores, all gay men are sluts, etc. To wit, some people think that anyone who wants privacy on the net is trolling or spamming even though they don't troll nor do they spam. It's like accusing everyone of locking their car doors when they park at the mall of hiding drugs in the vehicle. Sure, trolls change their headers and spammers do too. But a troll actually trolls, and a spammer actually spams. There is no crime in changing headers, and, in fact, I've posted probably ten thousand times on Usenet over the decades and never once have I trolled or spammed. 1. I ask a question. 2. I respond to every valid response. 3. I attempt every viable suggestion. 4. I report back on what I found. 5. I generally *improve* the overall *tribal knowledge* of the group. (Or at least I try.) I don't even use a Usenet reader. I'm on Linux most of the time that I'm using Usenet (where the tools I use originated with rn and tin on SunOS and Solaris). I have no idea what *any* of the headers say since they're all culled out of a dictionary lookup and only statically tied to the original post. Those decades-old scripts are a mess by now, but I don't even know *who* I am when I post since that isn't of any concern to the question. Why would it matter if "joe" posted or "bill" or "bobby" or "sue" when all that matters is the question. The header contains nntp posting information that is meaningless. Some people here use Usenet to banter and to cajole and to make "friends". I don't. I use Usenet to expand my knowledge and to give back to the group with that expanded knowledge. I ask for your help - and I give help back in return. I don't ask you to be my friend and I don't need you to know who I am. All you need to know is what the question is, and what the answers become. For that, you just need to know the SUBJECT and BODY. Everything else is meaningless to the question. You may have a "banter with friends" use model for Usenet. My model is "ask for & improve knowledge". Two different models. Yours requires all headers to remain static. Static headers would be meaningless in my model (and privacy leaking). |
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This thing can't figure out for itself whether "AdBlocker
actually blocks the one type of (slipstream) ads inside a YouTube video" ??? -- Joe Scotch jscotch aol.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Joe Scotch jscotch aol.com Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware Subject: Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android? Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:50:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: p2e3ep$rt8$7 dont-email.me References: p29m2i$rpp$1 dont-email.me p2a0or$a60$1 dont-email.me LD82C.55947$9j3.44784 fx29.iad p2b6k8$k5u$1 dont-email.me p2b735$r4v$1 gioia.aioe.org p2bd7o$24q$1 dont-email.me p2bilr$1c53$1 gioia.aioe.org xit2C.39279$la6.24013 fx24.iad Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 19:50:50 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="0819b29bdce2fe0beef1a293a76b8aaf"; logging-data="28584"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/waUuwR1O3Zp1GWxjl82CKTtOST+Phjm4=" User-Agent: G2/1.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2AmbJFQX8irhJetnQC/ihDNoNfg= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:164821 alt.comp.os.windows-10:60361 alt.comp.freewa302713 /nIn news:xit2C.39279$la6.24013 fx24.iad, Mark Lloyd not mail.invalid wrote: I didn't say it either. I said Adblock blocks ads when you use your browser on YouTube. I appreciate the correction, where Usenet is a tough medium when people start with pre-conceived notions - and where I generally think differently than do most people about KISS simple software solutions. I don't disagree that AdBlock will block ads, but I just want someone to confirm we're talking about the *same* kind of ads, since there are multiple kinds of ads when you add the complexity of a web browser. For a web browser, there are so many types of ads that it's not funny. The only ad that the question is concerned with are the "slipstreamed" ads that are *inserted* inside a YouTube video. I do have a Firefox extension on my computer to download from YouTube. I don't need to do this on Android. The problem with Firefox extensions is that they only work for Firefox browsers, so you're constantly adding extensions to Chrome & Windows based browsers if you go the route of extensions. Also, the problem with browsers is that they have a huge host of other issues, and a huge host of other ways to throw ads at you - so a browser is really a bad tool (IMHO) to use from those perspectives - to use to simply download or extract a video. I'm not at all saying that your browser-download and extraction method doesn't work - and if all you use is a single browser - and if you do lots of other things in that browser to set it up - I'm sure it's just as good. I simply argue that this single step is better in a whole bunch of ways: youtube-dl.exe -f 18 URL Having said all that - I appreciate the help and advice - where I would just want someone to *confirm* that the AdBlocker everyone seems to love actually blocks the one type of (slipstream) ads inside a YouTube video. |
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/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: When I'm using the plugin to leech a specific video, it doesn't include the slipstream advertising because youtube isn't 'streaming' the video to me at this point and has no control over the process. Instead, it established a direct download link and is pulling the video/audio file I wanted. So, there's nothing for youtube to pause and swap out on me. The only way youtube could get around that would be to actually embed the advertising into the original video, and, since alot of videos have different formats and quality options, they'd have to do it to all of them. Wasting storage space and processor resources on their end. I don't see them intentionally doing that anytime soon. This explanation above advances our tribal knowledge quite nicely, where it may explain why New Pipe and the Youtube downloader work, even though Google has known about them for years and their source code is wide open to inspection by Google. |
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/nIn TmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: https://flashgot.net/ It doesn't block anything. Rather, it lets you grab the video you actually want much faster than you could by 'streaming' it, advertising free. Thanks for adding to the overall tribal knowledge of the group. Suggestions from users are generally the best because they're usually free of advertising and promotional pressures (unless you work for the NSA, in which case they're trojans!). I generally abhor browser-specific solutions to global problems, but this flashgot looks good enough to archive for future use when/if it's needed. https://secure.informaction.com/down...t-1.5.6.13.xpi |
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"Mayayana" wrote:
We seem to have some sort of crazed OSS evangelist here who has no intention of actually communicating. He's only using posts as an excuse to post additional sales pitches. At least it's free, anyway. Or maybe it is mentally retarded. |
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/nIn news
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This thing can't figure out for itself whether "AdBlocker actually blocks the one type of (slipstream) ads inside a YouTube video" ??? Hi John Doe, I completely understand your need to troll, but I already said that everyone who promotes Ad Blocker treats it as Jesus Christ incarnate. It's not even an Ad Blocker for heaven's sake. It doesn't do one tenth of what the tool we're trying to get working on Windows does. That you can't comprehend that is not a problem for most of us who have intellect - but why do you muddle this technical thread with your troll? What value does your obvious trolling add toward getting *all* of us the same capabilities that the New Pipe executable conveys? Really. Think about the *negative value* of your post please. This post is designed to make YOU think about your negative value. We are trying to improve our tribal knowledge here. You are trying to detract from that with your trolling of useless drivel. |
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/nIn news
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Or maybe it is mentally retarded. John Doe the troll, What value does your obvious trolling add toward getting *all* of us on Windows the same capabilities that the New Pipe executable conveys on Android? |
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/nIn news
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No idea why this thing went off on a tangent... To the troll John Doe, What value does your obvious trolling add toward getting *all* of us the same capabilities that the New Pipe executable conveys? |
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Windows has a native adblocker feature to allow YouTube streaming without ads This is a *great* idea. How does one turn on this "native adblocker feature" in Windows? You download a hosts (ad blacklist) file and copy it into c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts I wouldn't be surprised if there's a browser addon that can download and extract from YouTube vids. There's no value to an addon when all that is needed is a single command: youtube-dl.exe -f 18 {URL} Command line downloading is inefficient if you want to download multiple vids or extract multiple mp3s at a time. |
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