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Old January 15th 19, 08:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Terry Pinnell[_3_]
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Default Status of 1809?

I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old January 15th 19, 10:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Status of 1809?

Terry Pinnell wrote in
:

I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple

of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major

issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

The second source is a great deal more accurate than the first. There are
some issues with things like older AMD GPUs that are not compatible with
1809, so Microsoft has not offered to update those systems. Version 1803
has continued to receive security updates and patches, so is not at any
great risk security wise. For some unknown reason my system is unable to
upgrate to 1803, so it is still at 1709, yet I have continued to receive
necessary updates.
Of course you may always go to the 1809 update page and download it
directly and attempt to install it, but be prepared for it to either not
work at all, or poorly, since there is a reason Microsoft has not sent
out the update to your system. Be sure to have up to date backups of your
system drive before trying to force an update.
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Old January 15th 19, 04:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Status of 1809?

Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


You get all the same updates security-wise for 1803 right
now, as you do for 1809.

I have a test setup with 1803 on it, and 1809 still hasn't
been pushed out. There are no indicators saying why it's
blocked or not delivered. And the machine has a new video
card, which is still in support.

Doesn't look like a cause for alarm.

Paul
  #7  
Old January 15th 19, 06:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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Default Status of 1809?

On 1/15/2019 2:08 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

My Win10 computers are still on 1803, work reliably, and I don't screw
with updating them as I prefer to work.

--
best regards,

Neil
  #8  
Old January 16th 19, 09:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Terry Pinnell[_3_]
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Default Status of 1809?

Tim wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote in
:

I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple

of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major

issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

The second source is a great deal more accurate than the first. There are
some issues with things like older AMD GPUs that are not compatible with
1809, so Microsoft has not offered to update those systems. Version 1803
has continued to receive security updates and patches, so is not at any
great risk security wise. For some unknown reason my system is unable to
upgrate to 1803, so it is still at 1709, yet I have continued to receive
necessary updates.
Of course you may always go to the 1809 update page and download it
directly and attempt to install it, but be prepared for it to either not
work at all, or poorly, since there is a reason Microsoft has not sent
out the update to your system. Be sure to have up to date backups of your
system drive before trying to force an update.


Thanks all, appreciate the feedback.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
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Old January 18th 19, 09:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Status of 1809?

Paul wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date.

During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me:

"You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update
to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates.
Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version."

Another countered with:
"The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of
times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not
re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues
but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered
1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware
and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible
with the computer."

What is the consensus here please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK


You get all the same updates security-wise for 1803 right
now, as you do for 1809.

I have a test setup with 1803 on it, and 1809 still hasn't
been pushed out. There are no indicators saying why it's
blocked or not delivered. And the machine has a new video
card, which is still in support.

Doesn't look like a cause for alarm.


My desktop (win10 pro), my wife's laptop (home) and my mum's laptop (home)
are all still on 1803. Mine and wife's machines are less than 8 months old,
but my mum's has been upgraded from windows 7, I think.

Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only
got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be
easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so
may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there.

Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS
stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features
Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade
their machines after an update tanks their performance?

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Old January 18th 19, 10:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Status of 1809?

Chris wrote:

My desktop (win10 pro), my wife's laptop (home) and my mum's laptop (home)
are all still on 1803. Mine and wife's machines are less than 8 months old,
but my mum's has been upgraded from windows 7, I think.

Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only
got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be
easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so
may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there.

Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS
stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features
Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade
their machines after an update tanks their performance?


The support policy and the whole project (Win10) is
one of lifes mysteries.

If any significant percentage of the user population needs
to be "dumped", they're more likely to do that by changing
the release number to Windows 11. Microsoft gets a fair amount
of "shaming" articles, for even tiny slip-ups on support.
If they, for example, discarded all the Core2 machines,
there would be hell to pay.

There's only supposed to be a couple of the very late models
of P4 that might run Windows 10. I've never seen any proof
that such a processor actually exists. Nobody has ever said
"I got Win10 running on my P4 with the 2MB cache", so I don't
know that it's true. I think some models in that series
had 64-bit instruction capability. If they were to say
"we won't be supporting the P4 from now on", I'm not sure
anyone would notice.

If your video card were to go entirely out of support,
the OS could always run it using the Basic Display Adapter.
I don't know how that works during an OS upgrade install,
as the install process would try to re-use the existing
driver. For the user to be successful at that, they *might*
have to remove the video driver, before the Upgrade install
kicks off. Running the screen though, at a fixed 1024x768,
when the screen is actually 1920x1080, is going to look
pretty strange.

Paul
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Old January 18th 19, 12:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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Default Status of 1809?

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when
will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing
updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be
forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update
tanks their performance?


It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there
will be business opportunities for those who will support such
historic machines.
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Old January 18th 19, 07:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Status of 1809?

On 1/18/19 3:37 AM, Chris wrote:
Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only
got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be
easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so
may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there.

My wife has an i3 2.4ghz Sony Vaio. Works well, but also was just 100%
cpu and was 6 years old without any reload, upgraded from Win 8.1 too.

I put in a spare 250G SSD and installed 1809. Runs like a champ now
without all the Sony crud in it and the SSD. I might get a few more
years out of it.


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Old January 19th 19, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Status of 1809?

mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when
will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing
updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be
forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update
tanks their performance?


It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there
will be business opportunities for those who will support such
historic machines.


I get progress part and I'm not complaining about that. I just wonder how
MS will manage it, now that win10 has rolling releases?

Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements
which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it.
Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be
intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting.

  #14  
Old January 19th 19, 12:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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Default Status of 1809?

On 1/18/2019 6:10 PM, Chris wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when
will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing
updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be
forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update
tanks their performance?


It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there
will be business opportunities for those who will support such
historic machines.


I get progress part and I'm not complaining about that. I just wonder how
MS will manage it, now that win10 has rolling releases?

Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements
which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it.
Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be
intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting.
As has always been the case, there will come a time when hardware no

longer meets the minimum requirements for an OS. The thing is, with
Win10 users are not in a good position to determine when that time comes.

Service packs and updates for earlier versions of Windows had more
available information about what was in them and what was required than
for any version since Vista.

I think the best option for Win10 is to avoid participating in IDK and
let the hardware and firmware determine what works by "calling home to
MS", which seems to prevent incompatible updates on all of my Win10
machines.

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Neil
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Old January 19th 19, 12:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Status of 1809?

In article , Chris
wrote:


Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements
which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it.
Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be
intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting.


or they decide to not release further updates for some hardware, which
i think has begun to happen...
 




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