Tool bar icons i Windows Live Mail

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

Hi, McGrath.

The WLM "Tool Bar"? What is that?

The QAT (Quick Access Toolbar) is only about a quarter-inch high and those
icons are already pretty small.

Do you mean the Ribbon? That inch-high bar across the top? I don't think
that we mere mortals have any way of changing the sizes of those icons. As
you have probably learned, we can vary the length of the Ribbon indirectly
by changing the size of the WLM window, but that is not what you have in
mind, is it?

So far as I know, there is no way for us to reduce the height of the ribbon
or to resize its icons. I hope somebody else knows how to do it.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


"McGrath" wrote in message ...

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

McGrath wrote:

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?

Right-click in an unused area of the *ribbon*. Select "Minimize the
Ribbon". That will hide the *ribbon* with only its tabs showing. Click
on a ribbon tab to momentarily expand the ribbon. The ribbon will
disappear (minimize) when you focus elsewhere. So just get it
completely out of your way instead of making it smaller.

By the way, the Windows Live Mail newsgroup is thatta way ___
__________________________________________________ __________|
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|___ microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

And, no, there is no customization option to use smaller icons in the
ribbon.

McGrath wrote:
Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

Not possible. The size is hard coded, not even a registry key available
for tampering.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

McGrath wrote:
Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

The documentation here, says the Ribbon has
a "Scaling Policy". It's unclear if you
could trick the ribbon in an application, to be
"wider" than normal, forcing everything in the ribbon
to shrink or scale.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx

So the question would be, can the user edit the ribbon,
and add elements to it ? If so, there might be hope.

Paul

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
McGrath wrote:
Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.



Not possible. The size is hard coded, not even a registry key available
for tampering.
--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


Thank you Winston,

I wonder whos idea the kind and the size of icons it was,
Balmers ? Once he's gone the option os "small or large" icons
should return to the ribon or tool bar, whatever it's named now...-

"Paul" wrote in message
...
McGrath wrote:
Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

The documentation here, says the Ribbon has
a "Scaling Policy". It's unclear if you
could trick the ribbon in an application, to be
"wider" than normal, forcing everything in the ribbon
to shrink or scale.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx

So the question would be, can the user edit the ribbon,
and add elements to it ? If so, there might be hope.

Paul


Thank you Paul,
It explains a lot, but still I cannot make it small for some reason.
Thanks -

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
McGrath wrote:

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?

Right-click in an unused area of the *ribbon*. Select "Minimize the
Ribbon". That will hide the *ribbon* with only its tabs showing. Click
on a ribbon tab to momentarily expand the ribbon. The ribbon will
disappear (minimize) when you focus elsewhere. So just get it
completely out of your way instead of making it smaller.

By the way, the Windows Live Mail newsgroup is thatta way ___
__________________________________________________ __________|
|
|___ microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

And, no, there is no customization option to use smaller icons in the
ribbon.



Thanks Vanguard,

I know how to minimize the "Ribbon" - but still can't make
smaller these ugly colossal icons in main Toolbar (Home,
Folders, View Accounts) which is above or below the Quick access toolbar.

Thanks.

"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...
Hi, McGrath.

The WLM "Tool Bar"? What is that?

The QAT (Quick Access Toolbar) is only about a quarter-inch high and those
icons are already pretty small.

Do you mean the Ribbon? That inch-high bar across the top? I don't think
that we mere mortals have any way of changing the sizes of those icons.
As you have probably learned, we can vary the length of the Ribbon
indirectly by changing the size of the WLM window, but that is not what
you have in mind, is it?

So far as I know, there is no way for us to reduce the height of the
ribbon or to resize its icons. I hope somebody else knows how to do it.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


Thanks R.C.,
Indeed, there is no way to reduce the size of icons in the maim Ribbon
or Toolbar. Well, may be with Balmer's retirement - the old and good
features will return to Windows Mail...-
Thanks anyway.




"McGrath" wrote in message ...

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.

McGrath wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote ...

McGrath wrote:

Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?

Right-click in an unused area of the *ribbon*. Select "Minimize the
Ribbon". That will hide the *ribbon* with only its tabs showing. Click
on a ribbon tab to momentarily expand the ribbon. The ribbon will
disappear (minimize) when you focus elsewhere. So just get it
completely out of your way instead of making it smaller.

I know how to minimize the "Ribbon" - but still can't make
smaller these ugly colossal icons in main Toolbar (Home,
Folders, View Accounts) which is above or below the Quick access toolbar.

I assumed the intention of your query was to regain some otherwise
wasted screen real estate, not because you don't like the look of the
icons. If the ribbon is hidden then you would infrequently see those
ugly colossal icons.

Most of what gets done in WLM doesn't require the ribbon plus lots of
functions are available by right-clicking on a folder, a message, or
within a message. If WLM is new to you then I can see why you would
want to continually see the ribbon; else, you should be spending most of
your time reading your e-mail instead of playing with the program while
wasting screen space with the ribbon.

Although not the answer you were hoping for, WLM doesn't let you modify
the icons in its ribbon either regarding size or whether they appear at
all (i.e., text label buttons versus graphic+text buttons). No one has
heard (or mentioned they know) of a Wave 6 version of Windows Essentials
that might have a later version of WLM. Besides, with Microsoft's
history, another new GUI doesn't mean it would be a better GUI. What
you have now in WLM is what it will probably have for a long time.

Of course, and if feasible with your monitor and video card/chip, you
could up the screen resolution so everything gets smaller on the screen,
including graphical icons, and then up the DPI to make just the text
look bigger. Alas, a larger DPI can result in text getting truncated
text inside the area where it is shown (the author didn't make their
program DPI-aware). Basically you would be trying to make everything
look smaller except the text. A program may use its own images to show
text (just because it looks like text doesn't mean it is) so changing
the DPI in Windows wouldn't affect that embedded text in a graphic.

McGrath wrote:
""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
McGrath wrote:
Is it possible to make the smaller and how ?
Thanks - J.



Not possible. The size is hard coded, not even a registry key
available for tampering.
--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps


Thank you Winston,

I wonder whos idea the kind and the size of icons it was,
Balmers ? Once he's gone the option os "small or large" icons
should return to the ribon or tool bar, whatever it's named now...-

Doubt Ballmer had the idea or final approval. It's more likely (size of
icon) is borrowed from /designed by the Office Team).

Windows Live Essentials and Windows Essentials desktop suite of programs
for all practical purposes are legacy-ware. No new, no reversion to
old...fixed code, free, use/accept as-is.

WLM has a ribbon and a Quick Access Toolbar. If you need small icons,
use the latter.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 27/01/2014 4:43 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:

Doubt Ballmer had the idea or final approval. It's more likely (size of
icon) is borrowed from /designed by the Office Team).

Windows Live Essentials and Windows Essentials desktop suite of programs
for all practical purposes are legacy-ware. No new, no reversion to
old...fixed code, free, use/accept as-is.

WLM has a ribbon and a Quick Access Toolbar. If you need small icons,
use the latter.

Is that Microsoft's official position on the software? That it's to be
used as-is with no improvement or fixes along the way?

--
Silver Slimer
GNU/Linux is Communism

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 27/01/2014 4:43 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:

Doubt Ballmer had the idea or final approval. It's more likely (size of
icon) is borrowed from /designed by the Office Team).

Windows Live Essentials and Windows Essentials desktop suite of programs
for all practical purposes are legacy-ware. No new, no reversion to
old...fixed code, free, use/accept as-is.

WLM has a ribbon and a Quick Access Toolbar. If you need small icons,
use the latter.

Is that Microsoft's official position on the software? That it's to be
used as-is with no improvement or fixes along the way?


The Live Platform and branding was discontinued. Live Photo Gallery and
Live Movie Maker rebranded as Photo Gallery and Movie Maker and packaged
as on single installable application. Live Messenger deprecated except
for mainland China until next year, with Messenger replaced by Skype.
Live Mesh replaced by SkyDrive. Live Mail and Live Writer save a few
under the hood changes to enhance robustness of synchronization with
Hotmail type accounts and SkyDrive are unchanged.
No GUI changes since release 3years ago.

All development for mail clients besides Outlook 2013 and later is
focused on Windows 8x and later and Windows Phone 8 and later.

No improvements, no patches - the Live brand was finally phased out in
August 2012.

What you see, what you have....is what you get....old code, no changes,
nothing more.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

....winston‫ wrote:

Live Mesh replaced by SkyDrive.

SkyDrive replaced by OneDrive. :-)

Copyright dispute, and MS lost:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...ches-skydrive-
for-onedrive-after-bskyb-dispute/

--
-bts
-I wonder if the MS naming researcher was fired...

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

...winston‫ wrote:

Live Mesh replaced by SkyDrive.

SkyDrive replaced by OneDrive. :-)

Copyright dispute, and MS lost:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...ches-skydrive-
for-onedrive-after-bskyb-dispute/

Reminds me of when Radio Shack would send out threatening letters from
their lawyers telling business with "Shack" in their company name that
Tandy would sue them on trademark infringement. A local company called
"CD Shack" got scared and changed their name (don't remember to what)
but Tandy was going nationwide with their threats.

So this BSkyB company (sky.com) wants "Sky" to be their trademark and
not allow its used within another name. So how long before BSkyB goes
after Google Sky (http://www.google.com/sky/)? Or go after the
SkySports, SeaAndSky, Sky.FM, and TeamSky web sites?

So who would win: BSkyB or SkyNet? The lawyers versus the Terminator.
Man, I'd sure watch that movie. Rip 'em apart, watch em scream like
little girls. I remember how everyone in the theatre cheered when the
lawyer got chomped in Jurassaic Park.