WIndows 8.1 Upgrade

Windows strikes again.

I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting
documentation of the laptop.

I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not
work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I
rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to
struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous
computer.

When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in
the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there
was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed.

I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting.
So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the
computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just
notify me the update was available?

I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.

As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past,
when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your
presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer
to find out why it is not working.

On 11/05/2016 01:50, Keith Nuttle wrote:


I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings
and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.



No what you need is to learn how to control your machine so that it
doesn't do anything that you don't want it to do. For example, updates
in Windows 8.1 is controllable by you. Similarly, updates in Windows 10
is also controllable by the user provided the user has some brains. I
have not checked for update since 11th of April 2016 (the day before the
Patch Tuesday struck on some computers).

Now find somebody who can train you how to control your machine
effectively. Old age is no excuse to learn new tricks. Even my dog can
learn new tricks so can you.






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Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again.

I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting
documentation of the laptop.

I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not
work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I
rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to
struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous
computer.

When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in
the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there
was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed.

I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting.
So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the
computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just
notify me the update was available?

I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.

As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past,
when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your
presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer
to find out why it is not working.

Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off.
Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave
Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1
OSes have updates turned off. Since
around November of last year.

Paul

On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:20:06 -0400, Paul wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again.

I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting
documentation of the laptop.

I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not
work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I
rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to
struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous
computer.

When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in
the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there
was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed.

I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting.
So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the
computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just
notify me the update was available?

I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.

As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past,
when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your
presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer
to find out why it is not working.

Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off.
Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave
Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1
OSes have updates turned off. Since
around November of last year.

Paul

+1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It
is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely
required.

On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:20:06 -0400, Paul wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again.

I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting
documentation of the laptop.

I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not
work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I
rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to
struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous
computer.

When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in
the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there
was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed.

I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting.
So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the
computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just
notify me the update was available?

I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.

As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past,
when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your
presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer
to find out why it is not working.

Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off.
Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave
Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1
OSes have updates turned off. Since
around November of last year.

Paul

+1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It
is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely
required.




But it gets worse if you go with Win10

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

On 11/05/2016 01:50, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again.

I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting
documentation of the laptop.

I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not
work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I
rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to
struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous
computer.

When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in
the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there
was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed.

I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting.
So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the
computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just
notify me the update was available?

I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.

As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past,
when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your
presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer
to find out why it is not working.

I have updates set up as strictly manual. There were two reported
yesterday, one important (Defender updates) and one optional.
Yesterday's was yet another W.10 preparation for install. It's a bit of
a pain checking all the optional ones, but I reckons it's worth the effort.

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On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote:
On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
[...]
+1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It
is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely
required.




But it gets worse if you go with Win10

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

Would you kindly outline the steps to do this?

Thanks,




First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function.
With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week.
For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally
unacceptable situation!


see this, about halfway down



http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/

On 11/05/2016 08:13, philo wrote:





But it gets worse if you go with Win10

It's because you are very stupid.

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

There is if you have some grey matter.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

No you don't.





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On 5/11/2016 9:39 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-10 20:50, Keith Nuttle wrote:
[...]
I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I
guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and
hope that both don't decide to update at the same time.
[...]


Nice sarcasm. :-)

Was I being sarcastic? ;-)

philo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote:
On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
[...]
+1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It
is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely
required.

But it gets worse if you go with Win10

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

Would you kindly outline the steps to do this?

Thanks,

First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function.
With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week.
For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally
unacceptable situation!

see this, about halfway down

http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/

That article was "Published 08/5/15". Things can change,
so don't be surprised if some tiny detail has evolved
since then.

The "AU" option thing has been around for a while (the
five different number thing). Someone claimed "it didn't
work" at one point, but they could very well have
been using Home. It's pretty hard to test all these
things, unless you have a ready supply of test setups.

One addition to that list, is there is a hack available,
to make a NIC into a "metered connection". Normally,
Wifi supports "metered or not", by means of a registry
key. Apparently someone has managed to add a registry
key to a NIC connection information entry, so it
behaves metered as well.

And that article is missing the later GPEDIT entry,
where in effect you change your install to a Long
Term Support stream type. It doesn't say Long Term
Support in the GPEDIT interface, doesn't say what
you've just done, but someone in one of the forums
claimed it was actually changing the stream the
OS is updated under.

So that article could use a few updates. And it would
take a lot of testing to prove they all work. For
example, the one that delays things for a month or
five weeks, you'd have to monitor the OS for that
long to see if the setting "stuck".

*******

And that's the other sticky part of questions like this.
You don't actually have a Win10 license key in hand,
when you do an Upgrade. You have a digital entitlement
on a server. Microsoft could apply any temporal terms
and conditions to that entitlement they want, and you
wouldn't know until the day you tried to re-install.
So while you can nominally "bank" a digital entitlement,
we have no way of knowing whether it ages out if not
used, or whatever.

There are two potential temporal issues, not related
to the question. It's possible that *every* copy of
Windows 10 has an expiry date. Because it's a rolling
release and needs to be "Upgraded" to the next OS
release at regular intervals. It's possible
Windows Update will not offer you updates,
if your copy of Windows 10 has been disconnected from
the network long enough. But again, these are things
that would take months and months to test.

Paul

On 05/11/2016 01:14 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote:
On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
[...]
+1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It
is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely
required.

But it gets worse if you go with Win10

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

Would you kindly outline the steps to do this?

Thanks,

First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function.
With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week.
For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally
unacceptable situation!

see this, about halfway down

http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/


That article was "Published 08/5/15". Things can change,
so don't be surprised if some tiny detail has evolved
since then.

The "AU" option thing has been around for a while (the
five different number thing). Someone claimed "it didn't
work" at one point, but they could very well have
been using Home. It's pretty hard to test all these
things, unless you have a ready supply of test setups.

One addition to that list, is there is a hack available,
to make a NIC into a "metered connection". Normally,
Wifi supports "metered or not", by means of a registry
key. Apparently someone has managed to add a registry
key to a NIC connection information entry, so it
behaves metered as well.

And that article is missing the later GPEDIT entry,
where in effect you change your install to a Long
Term Support stream type. It doesn't say Long Term
Support in the GPEDIT interface, doesn't say what
you've just done, but someone in one of the forums
claimed it was actually changing the stream the
OS is updated under.

So that article could use a few updates. And it would
take a lot of testing to prove they all work. For
example, the one that delays things for a month or
five weeks, you'd have to monitor the OS for that
long to see if the setting "stuck".

*******

And that's the other sticky part of questions like this.
You don't actually have a Win10 license key in hand,
when you do an Upgrade. You have a digital entitlement
on a server. Microsoft could apply any temporal terms
and conditions to that entitlement they want, and you
wouldn't know until the day you tried to re-install.
So while you can nominally "bank" a digital entitlement,
we have no way of knowing whether it ages out if not
used, or whatever.

There are two potential temporal issues, not related
to the question. It's possible that *every* copy of
Windows 10 has an expiry date. Because it's a rolling
release and needs to be "Upgraded" to the next OS
release at regular intervals. It's possible
Windows Update will not offer you updates,
if your copy of Windows 10 has been disconnected from
the network long enough. But again, these are things
that would take months and months to test.

Paul



I have used the advice and thus far it's been working fine.

Even though the article is a year old or so, the policy editor has been
around for a very long time AFAIK

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On 11/05/2016 08:13, philo wrote:





But it gets worse if you go with Win10

It's because you are very stupid.

There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot.

There is if you have some grey matter.

I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control

No you don't.





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On 12/05/2016 03:47, John Doe wrote:
This insulting troll doesn't even know how to post to USENET...



No but he knows how to insult mother ****ers cross-posters and
cross-dressers like you ......................



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