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  #16  
Old June 17th 15, 07:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default What should we do?

On 6/17/2015 10:21 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:44:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(
Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling (notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.
Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.


And many of us just sit back and wait for the release to really see what
will happen. I can't wait to see what predictions/bull **** were close.

KenW


Ken, when you looked in the Windows 10 Preview control panels,
what did the Windows Update control panel show you ?

OK, here is a snapshot of the Win10 10130 control panels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29e4nsm.jpg

There is *no* Windows Update control panel.

It would be pretty hard to control updates, without a control panel.

Paul

In Windows 8.1, the update settings are several levels down in "System
and Secure". I would suspect the update settings in Windows 10 are in
"Security and Maintenance", but several levels down.

Remember all of the post when Window 8 came out about there being no way
to create a CD without third party software. Everybody know now that
that the alarmist were wrong and Window 8 can create CD's.

I suspect like pelosi said about a bill that was past in Congress in
2009, paraphrased "You will have to approve it, to learn what it
contains". With Windows 10, you will have to install the final released
version to know what it will do, and where the settings to do it are
located.


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Old June 17th 15, 07:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ed Cryer
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Default What should we do?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per VanguardLH:
Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or fight
back.


I just accepted a firmware update to my Samsung flat-screen TV -
foolishly dreaming of functional enhancements like losing that annoying
"Mute" icon when listening via headphones...

Guess what?

Right: no detectable enhancements, but they have started to spam the
screen with promotional material. Low-level at this time.... but I'll
never, ever, accept an "Upgrade" on that device again.

The logic seems the same: Consumer has purchased a device; attempt to
take control of it for marketing purposes.

Makes sense at a certain level.... albeit a rather low level.


I used to have a Samsung DVD-recorder with my TV. It had a superb
function called "dub". You could record anything and "dub" it to any DVD.

After a firmware update the DVD-recorder went AWAL. I threw the whole
box-of-tricks away, and bought a new Samsung smart DVD-recorder that
could record even onto memory-sticks.
I did just that, couldn't view the raw recorded data on any computer,
put a sample online that even our Paul couldn't convert, gave up.

DRM and underhand ways of implementing it!!!

Ed



  #18  
Old June 17th 15, 08:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dino
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Posts: 112
Default What should we do?

On 06/17/2015 02:14 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 6/17/2015 10:21 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:44:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(
Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.
Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service
us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition and
get serviced another way.

And many of us just sit back and wait for the release to really see what
will happen. I can't wait to see what predictions/bull **** were close.

KenW


Ken, when you looked in the Windows 10 Preview control panels,
what did the Windows Update control panel show you ?

OK, here is a snapshot of the Win10 10130 control panels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29e4nsm.jpg

There is *no* Windows Update control panel.

It would be pretty hard to control updates, without a control panel.

Paul

In Windows 8.1, the update settings are several levels down in "System
and Secure". I would suspect the update settings in Windows 10 are in
"Security and Maintenance", but several levels down.

Remember all of the post when Window 8 came out about there being no way
to create a CD without third party software. Everybody know now that
that the alarmist were wrong and Window 8 can create CD's.

I suspect like pelosi said about a bill that was past in Congress in
2009, paraphrased "You will have to approve it, to learn what it
contains". With Windows 10, you will have to install the final released
version to know what it will do, and where the settings to do it are
located.


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* Dutch
* French

* English
* German
* Dutch
* French

javascript:void(0);


Either that or wait until somebody else installs it and read the
results. There is no hurry on Windows 10 because it is much like windows
8, with stuff stitched on.
  #19  
Old June 17th 15, 08:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dino
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Posts: 112
Default What should we do?

Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you
will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great
adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to
service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition
and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I
had sound fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto
update updated the drivers to hardware not on my system and no
sound. The only choice it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to
reschedule an install date for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7
and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul

I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.


It turns out there is a control to help you.

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

System control panel : Advanced System Settings : System Properties,
Hardware Tab
Device Installation settings : Let me choose what to do

I don't know what it does, but there is a tick box...

"Do you want Windows to download driver software
and realistic icons for your devices"

So apparently there is a need for realistic icons.
Who knew ?

Maybe if you tick that, it'll stop overwriting your Realtek ?

My 10130 preview, has a RealTek driver 6.0.1.7503, but
I can't figure out where it came from. I don't have a
driver file in my Downloads folder, so it isn't from there.
I can tell you, my Device Manager lists a Realtek item,
so it didn't use a generic HDAudio driver with no brand
string.

Paul

I must have missed that. I am going to reinstall win 10 and check that out.
  #20  
Old June 17th 15, 09:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Posts: 1,844
Default What should we do?

On 6/17/2015 3:13 PM, Dino wrote:
On 06/17/2015 02:14 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 6/17/2015 10:21 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:44:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(
Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you
will
need the Pro version of Windows 10.
Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great
adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to service
us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition
and
get serviced another way.

And many of us just sit back and wait for the release to really see
what
will happen. I can't wait to see what predictions/bull **** were close.

KenW

Ken, when you looked in the Windows 10 Preview control panels,
what did the Windows Update control panel show you ?

OK, here is a snapshot of the Win10 10130 control panels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29e4nsm.jpg

There is *no* Windows Update control panel.

It would be pretty hard to control updates, without a control panel.

Paul

In Windows 8.1, the update settings are several levels down in "System
and Secure". I would suspect the update settings in Windows 10 are in
"Security and Maintenance", but several levels down.

Remember all of the post when Window 8 came out about there being no way
to create a CD without third party software. Everybody know now that
that the alarmist were wrong and Window 8 can create CD's.

I suspect like pelosi said about a bill that was past in Congress in
2009, paraphrased "You will have to approve it, to learn what it
contains". With Windows 10, you will have to install the final released
version to know what it will do, and where the settings to do it are
located.


* German - detected
* English
* German
* Dutch
* French

* English
* German
* Dutch
* French

javascript:void(0);


Either that or wait until somebody else installs it and read the
results. There is no hurry on Windows 10 because it is much like windows
8, with stuff stitched on.



From Keith Nuttle: I was very satisfied with the new translation addon
that I found for thunderbird. I now find it has a couple of negatives.

* German - detected
* English
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* Dutch
* French

* English
* German
* Dutch
* French

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  #21  
Old June 17th 15, 09:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dino
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Posts: 112
Default What should we do?

Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you
will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great
adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to
service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro edition
and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I
had sound fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto
update updated the drivers to hardware not on my system and no
sound. The only choice it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to
reschedule an install date for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7
and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul

I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.


It turns out there is a control to help you.

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

System control panel : Advanced System Settings : System Properties,
Hardware Tab
Device Installation settings : Let me choose what to do

I don't know what it does, but there is a tick box...

"Do you want Windows to download driver software
and realistic icons for your devices"

So apparently there is a need for realistic icons.
Who knew ?

Maybe if you tick that, it'll stop overwriting your Realtek ?

My 10130 preview, has a RealTek driver 6.0.1.7503, but
I can't figure out where it came from. I don't have a
driver file in my Downloads folder, so it isn't from there.
I can tell you, my Device Manager lists a Realtek item,
so it didn't use a generic HDAudio driver with no brand
string.

Paul

I have version 10130 installed and that option dosn't exist.
  #22  
Old June 18th 15, 12:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Default What should we do?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bahabi:
I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.


What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?


The really cool kids have the latest stuff.
"Look at me! I have Windows 10!"

  #23  
Old June 18th 15, 04:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default What should we do?

Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates, you
will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great
adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's
control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to
service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you or
fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction, they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro
edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD processors.I
had sound fine with the drivers originally installed,but then auto
update updated the drivers to hardware not on my system and no
sound. The only choice it gave me on my win 10 pro edition was to
reschedule an install date for update installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win 7
and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul
I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.


It turns out there is a control to help you.

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

System control panel : Advanced System Settings : System Properties,
Hardware Tab
Device Installation settings : Let me choose what to do

I don't know what it does, but there is a tick box...

"Do you want Windows to download driver software
and realistic icons for your devices"

So apparently there is a need for realistic icons.
Who knew ?

Maybe if you tick that, it'll stop overwriting your Realtek ?

My 10130 preview, has a RealTek driver 6.0.1.7503, but
I can't figure out where it came from. I don't have a
driver file in my Downloads folder, so it isn't from there.
I can tell you, my Device Manager lists a Realtek item,
so it didn't use a generic HDAudio driver with no brand
string.

Paul

I have version 10130 installed and that option dosn't exist.


You compared to my Tinypic picture ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

Paul
  #24  
Old June 18th 15, 05:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dino
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Posts: 112
Default What should we do?

Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
Paul wrote:
Dino wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Leala wrote:

PeteCresswell wrote:

Per Bahabi aka Jack Miles:

I'm not rich but I've been saving for Windows 10.
What will Windows 10 deliver that XP, 7, or 8.1 will not?
Less control over your OS. :-(

Especially if you have the Home Edition which means no disabling
(notify
only) of automatic updates. If you want control over updates,
you will
need the Pro version of Windows 10. Well, isn't that special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

We are in control ... You are about to participate in a great
adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCcdr4O-3gE

Guess you'll need a 3rd party firewall (not under Microsoft's
control)
that blocks Microsoft's WSUS servers. You have to defend yourself
against Microsoft's "resistance is futile, you will adapt to
service us"
queer attitude. Either bend over and let Microsoft service you
or fight
back. Of course, if Microsoft doesn't get humping satisfaction,
they
could disable features or cripple Windows 10 if you don't let them
service you. Or, if you have a Home Edition and want control
without
having to fight back with a 3rd party firewall, buy the Pro
edition and
get serviced another way.

I ran preview version win 10 10130 and it was alright on the intel
core i7 but had problems with sound drivers on the AMD
processors.I had sound fine with the drivers originally
installed,but then auto update updated the drivers to hardware not
on my system and no sound. The only choice it gave me on my win 10
pro edition was to reschedule an install date for update
installation.
This has helped me decide what to do,as I will be sticking to win
7 and win 8.1 for a while.

Did you try installing a driver from the hardware
manufacturer ? As an alternative.

For example, if the audio hardware was Realtek, I would go to
realtek.com.tw and get a driver there. As I've noticed when
a Windows OS does sound itself, the "brand" of the audio is not
shown, and it looks like a "generic" driver is being used. You
can always test a manufacturer driver as a substitute.
That's assuming there is nothing in the INF to prevent it.
I think when I've done that, Device Manager changes from
a generic HDAudio label, to a Realtek label.

Paul
I did that and it was corrected until it auto updated again. Unless
updates are manual I will pass on this version.

It turns out there is a control to help you.

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

System control panel : Advanced System Settings : System Properties,
Hardware Tab
Device Installation settings : Let me choose what to do

I don't know what it does, but there is a tick box...

"Do you want Windows to download driver software
and realistic icons for your devices"

So apparently there is a need for realistic icons.
Who knew ?

Maybe if you tick that, it'll stop overwriting your Realtek ?

My 10130 preview, has a RealTek driver 6.0.1.7503, but
I can't figure out where it came from. I don't have a
driver file in my Downloads folder, so it isn't from there.
I can tell you, my Device Manager lists a Realtek item,
so it didn't use a generic HDAudio driver with no brand
string.

Paul

I have version 10130 installed and that option dosn't exist.


You compared to my Tinypic picture ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/9awj9g.jpg

Paul


Advanced has no choice like that.I installed start10 and could live with
that but win 8.1 is just as good with start8. I dual boot win7 pro and
win8.1 pro and frankly with each win 10 install I despise it more and more.
I also use Centos on this machine and I think I like it more than
windows 10. I am just going to skip this upgrade.
 




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