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Windows Inkjets UK.
In article , Wolf K
writes There is no $$$ justification for building single-function machines. A printer just prints. A copier scans in order to print. Add a USB port and some firmware, and you can use a copier to print. Add more firmware for the scanning and you have 3-in-1. A single driver will handle all 3 functions. So why make three separate machines? The reduction in warehousing, inventory tracking, shipping, and invoicing costs more than make up for any increased manufacturing costs. A good point if a) you send faxes, b) you don't already have a good scanner, and c) it's for home use, starting from scratch 3 in 1 are a good option. OK the price of one is negligible, especially in the UK, but my Yorkshire roots for careful money management go against buying something which has something I already have. Mike -- Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners. Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians. Yorkshire Halvard Lange |
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In article , Wolf K
writes Of course, for specialised business and professional use that makes perfect sense. However, OP complained he could find only 3-in-1s, which suggests he wasn't looking in shops that cater to business/enterprise clients. He also referred to a "reasonable price", which I saw as a clue that he wanted a mass-market printer. His requirements weren't clear enough to be sure about that, of course, but I thought it would be useful to comment about why 3-in-1s are proliferating in what appeared to be his price range. It may be he wants a business quality printer for a mass-market price. Ain't gonna happen. Sorry about that, should have added that it's for home use, not high use just the occasional document and photo print. My HP Photosmart D5460 has served me well over the past 10 years or so but the drivers are totally screwed recently, they still print but the settings from the likes of Word are buggered, just looking for a replacement when the carts run out. Mike -- Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners. Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians. Yorkshire Halvard Lange |
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In article , Wolf K
wrote: Adding scan and print capability to a copier does_not_ add "cost and complexity." of course it does. adding a scanner mechanism and usually also a sheet feeder costs more than it not being there. Er, I haven't seen a copier without a scanning mechanisms and a sheet feeder in donkey's years. the topic is printers, and there are a *lot* of printers without scanner mechanisms. Where do you shop? online |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:04:48 +0100, FredW
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:28:14 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Ken Blake wrote: Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced A4 Inkjet printer for Windows 10 that will not reject compatible cartridges? buy genuine cartridges. problem solved. expensive, expensive, expensive I always recommend laser printers rather than inkjets. bad advice. Good advice (practice proven). laser printers are not always ideal or even desirable, especially for photos, and there are many very good inkjet printers. Read the part about photos in the article! Yeah. It says if you want to print photos don't even try to use your laser jet. Take it to someone else. Good advice too. Did you read the article at all or did you just jump to an opinion. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 17:15:24 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Carlos E.R. wrote: On 21/01/2019 23.02, FredW wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:06:40 +0000, Mike Swift wrote: Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced A4 Inkjet printer for Windows 10 that will not reject compatible cartridges? I always recommend laser printers rather than inkjets. You might want to read he https://www.howtogeek.com/401749/sto...inter-instead/ or https://goo.gl/ocWiM6 Me too. I have a Brother laser printer for six years (95 euro in 2013). I can confirm all points of the article. I just ordered and received a toner cartridge (31 euro). I do not print much so this will last one/two years. Mine lasted something like ten years. It is nominally spent, but it is still printing Ok. My previous inkjet printer would dry out and need to be cleaned whenever I needed it, unless used every two or three weeks. And often had to be cleaned with alcohol, it was unable to fully clean itself, because some jets were clogged. So whenever I needed to print something important it needed working at it for an hour or two. And then the cartridges would run out. And they were expensive. I learned to refill them, much cheaper, but it would clog faster. Come laser. Years and years it would just print instantly when needed, with the same cartridge, till spent. Well, before it is fully spent it smears a bit. So, print a page a month, it works. Print a book or two, it works. It just works when I need it. It turns out cheaper than ink in the long run. That has been my experience, also. I've had several color ink jets over the last few years and the cartridges dry out unless used every few weeks. The majority of my printing is B&W and I use the B&W laser for that. I still have 2 ink jets for the occasional color prints but will be getting a color laser soon and throw out the ink jets. I have two printers. The work horse is a +12 year old OKI C5600 which shows no sign of wearing out. THis is not a laser printer but uses LEDs. It used to be my work printer and has done some 30,000 copies and shows no sign of giving up. I currently have an A2 size Epson P800 which I use for photograph. Before that I had an Epson Stylus 3800. They don't do that much work as these things go but I have never had a head clog. Mind you, I always let the printer shut itself down, during the course of which it parks the heads in a closed damp enfironment. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 00:20:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote: On 21/01/2019 23.42, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 21/01/2019 23.02, FredW wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:06:40 +0000, Mike Swift wrote: Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced A4 Inkjet printer for Windows 10 that will not reject compatible cartridges? I always recommend laser printers rather than inkjets. You might want to read he https://www.howtogeek.com/401749/sto...inter-instead/ or https://goo.gl/ocWiM6 Me too. Ah, and they also print good photos. Maybe not excellent, but quite good :-p You can't be fussy. :-) -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:04:48 +0100, FredW wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:28:14 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Ken Blake wrote: Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced A4 Inkjet printer for Windows 10 that will not reject compatible cartridges? buy genuine cartridges. problem solved. expensive, expensive, expensive I always recommend laser printers rather than inkjets. bad advice. Good advice (practice proven). laser printers are not always ideal or even desirable, especially for photos, and there are many very good inkjet printers. Read the part about photos in the article! Yeah. It says if you want to print photos don't even try to use your laser jet. Take it to someone else. Good advice too. To be fair, that's probably good advice even if you have an inkjet, what with the likes of shutterfly (etc.), or even an office supply/copy store being reasonably inexpensive -- I mean, less so than buying that "photo black" cartridge that dried up, again ... -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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On 22/01/2019 00.50, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: My previous inkjet printer would dry out and need to be cleaned whenever I needed it, unless used every two or three weeks. And often had to be cleaned with alcohol, it was unable to fully clean itself, because some jets were clogged. sounds like a low quality inkjet printer It wasn't. It was pretty expensive and good at the time. i didn't say anything about its price. anything that clogs that often is low quality. some would say junk. Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time varies. A week, a month, a year. another problem is turning the printer on/off via its own power button versus power strip. using the printer's power button causes the printer to properly park the heads on the waste pad. using a power strip (or any external on/off control) will skip that step, leading to a head clog. I know. I always use its own power button. don't assume all inkjets are like that. they definitely aren't. So whenever I needed to print something important it needed working at it for an hour or two. And then the cartridges would run out. And they were expensive. I learned to refill them, much cheaper, but it would clog faster. no surprise there. why did you continue refilling them given that it clogged faster? Because doing otherwise was prohibitive. no reason why would would be, but the point is that your clogs were self-inflicted. But they were. 60€ a cartridge, would print less than 100 pages. Rather 50. Less if used for a page at a time, then unused for a week. And originals would also clog, only that later. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 22/01/2019 00.50, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Ah, and they also print good photos. Maybe not excellent, but quite good :-p photos on a laser printer do not have anywhere near the colour gamut of an inkjet printer nor can a laser printer be properly calibrated so that the colours are even accurate. So what? I like them. The price per photo is right at big size. Fantastic! -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 22/01/2019 01.48, Mike Swift wrote:
In article , Wolf K writes Of course, for specialised business and professional use that makes perfect sense. However, OP complained he could find only 3-in-1s, which suggests he wasn't looking in shops that cater to business/enterprise clients. He also referred to a "reasonable price", which I saw as a clue that he wanted a mass-market printer. His requirements weren't clear enough to be sure about that, of course, but I thought it would be useful to comment about why 3-in-1s are proliferating in what appeared to be his price range. It may be he wants a business quality printer for a mass-market price. Ain't gonna happen. Sorry about that, should have added that it's for home use, not high use just the occasional document and photo print. My HP Photosmart D5460 has served me well over the past 10 years or so but the drivers are totally screwed recently, they still print but the settings from the likes of Word are buggered, just looking for a replacement when the carts run out. Don't buy machines that offload processing to the computer (I'm not sure this is the case, though). Typically known as "winprinters". If the manufacturer stops doing the drivers, you are goofed. For instance, if the printer does postscript or pdf natively, chances are it will keep working for ever. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time varies. A week, a month, a year. false. |
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Windows Inkjets UK.
In article , FredW
wrote: Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time varies. A week, a month, a year. false. Yes, we understand you have a grudge against laser printers. you understand wrong. |
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nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time varies. A week, a month, a year. false. No--true. It is one of the most often posted problems with inkjets. Printers try to mitigate the problem by running automatic "clean" cycles that can blow through your ink when not printing pages. Power off the printer for extended times where these "clean" cycles cannot occur and you will discover how imperfect the seal is on the rubber booted capping station. If you print basically documents a monochrome laser is very cost effective. Especially if you print very infrequently, a cheap laser will be much cheaper. Color lasers are less so, but produce great quality graphics. Affordability depends on your usage. If you need photos a dedicated photo inkjet is questionable depending on your circumstances. If you print them occasionally getting a WalMart or Kinkos do it makes far more sense, unless like me where it is a long trek to the store. (I suffer with an OfficeJet as a result) -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
For instance, if the printer does postscript or pdf natively, chances are it will keep working for ever. My HP LaserJet 2100 still ticking... -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 00:20:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote: On 21/01/2019 23.42, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 21/01/2019 23.02, FredW wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:22:13 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:06:40 +0000, Mike Swift wrote: Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced A4 Inkjet printer for Windows 10 that will not reject compatible cartridges? I always recommend laser printers rather than inkjets. You might want to read he https://www.howtogeek.com/401749/sto...inter-instead/ or https://goo.gl/ocWiM6 Me too. Ah, and they also print good photos. Maybe not excellent, but quite good :-p When it comes to photos, how good they are depends on the particular brand and model. Some are much better than others. Since I almost never print photos, I don't care. |
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