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Old December 26th 17, 03:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Weird file behavior

First off - Version 1709 Build 16299.125
No recent software installs

In the last day or two a strange behavior has cropped up. When I am in File
Explorer, if I make any changes in a directory, such as delete or rename a
file, nothing changes on the display. If I rename a file, as soon as I hit
enter, the old name reappears. If I then try to do anything with that file,
I get told it no longer exists. If I use the circular arrow to redraw the
screen, the changed name appears. In the same way, if I delete a file the
entry doesn't disappear from the screen, but if I refresh the display with
the circular arrow again, the file name diaappears as it should.

What could be causing this behavior, and what can I do about it?

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally supporting
Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.
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Old December 26th 17, 10:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Weird file behavior

Tim wrote:
First off - Version 1709 Build 16299.125
No recent software installs

In the last day or two a strange behavior has cropped up. When I am in File
Explorer, if I make any changes in a directory, such as delete or rename a
file, nothing changes on the display. If I rename a file, as soon as I hit
enter, the old name reappears. If I then try to do anything with that file,
I get told it no longer exists. If I use the circular arrow to redraw the
screen, the changed name appears. In the same way, if I delete a file the
entry doesn't disappear from the screen, but if I refresh the display with
the circular arrow again, the file name diaappears as it should.

What could be causing this behavior, and what can I do about it?

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally supporting
Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.


I can't find an exact match for your symptoms, bit
the OS definitely has some weird "features". Who would have
thought themes or slide-show wallpapers could affect File Explorer ?

https://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...dows-10-a.html

So that's an example of "too many refreshes" happening per minute
and without actual File Explorer associated activity.

*******

You can work through some of the ideas at the end of this thread.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...1aa9339?auth=1

"I have been having this exact same problem with
a folder not showing updated date information.

Windows 10 Home

Version: 1709 (Fall creators update)

OS Build: 16299.64

I have tried many things but this worked. Tried the reset folder
option but did not resolve the issue.

Solution follows:
----------------

Right click on folder and select Properties and
go to the Customize tab.

In the drop down menu for 'Optimize this folder for:'

Choose Documents or something different than what is currently set

Click ok

On mine it was showing General items. I changed it to
Documents and enabled the switch to apply the template
to all subfolders as well. The problem has now disappeared.
So simple. No reinstall etc.

I hope this helps many others. I have spent days trying
to resolve this issue.
"

The reason I started looking at the end of the thread,
was the "Microsoft Staff Answerer" went off on a DISM rant,
and a number of the participants followed suit. I figured
I'd just avoid the noise and go to the end of the thread.

It's funny that after going to so much trouble to remove
the Refresh bugs in previous OSes, now they're adding fresh
refresh design mistakes to their new OS. Shirely that code
must be full of comments like "don't touch this" :-) The
Refresh logic in File Explorer is like Whack-A-Mole, meaning
File Explorer isn't a good candidate for "rolling release
constant improvement".

Paul
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Old December 26th 17, 07:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Weird file behavior

Paul wrote in news
Tim wrote:
First off - Version 1709 Build 16299.125
No recent software installs

In the last day or two a strange behavior has cropped up. When I am
in File Explorer, if I make any changes in a directory, such as
delete or rename a file, nothing changes on the display. If I rename
a file, as soon as I hit enter, the old name reappears. If I then try
to do anything with that file, I get told it no longer exists. If I
use the circular arrow to redraw the screen, the changed name
appears. In the same way, if I delete a file the entry doesn't
disappear from the screen, but if I refresh the display with the
circular arrow again, the file name diaappears as it should.

What could be causing this behavior, and what can I do about it?

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally
supporting Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.


I can't find an exact match for your symptoms, bit
the OS definitely has some weird "features". Who would have
thought themes or slide-show wallpapers could affect File Explorer ?

https://forums.windowscentral.com/wi...olve-issue-aut
o-refresh-file-explorer-windows-10-a.html

So that's an example of "too many refreshes" happening per minute
and without actual File Explorer associated activity.

*******

You can work through some of the ideas at the end of this thread.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/..._10-files-winp
c/windows-10-file-explorer-windows-dont-refresh/32e5292b-333d-4b7c-a099
-549831aa9339?auth=1

I hope this helps many others. I have spent days trying
to resolve this issue.
"

The reason I started looking at the end of the thread,
was the "Microsoft Staff Answerer" went off on a DISM rant,
and a number of the participants followed suit. I figured
I'd just avoid the noise and go to the end of the thread.

It's funny that after going to so much trouble to remove
the Refresh bugs in previous OSes, now they're adding fresh
refresh design mistakes to their new OS. Shirely that code
must be full of comments like "don't touch this" :-) The
Refresh logic in File Explorer is like Whack-A-Mole, meaning
File Explorer isn't a good candidate for "rolling release
constant improvement".

Paul


I followed the recommended thread, and found this solution:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/..._10-files/win-
10-64-bit-file-explorer-auto-refresh/703492e6-dffb-4344-9699-7e41b2c4ddee

I did the regedit thing and added the key recommended, and so far the
problem has gone away.
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Old December 26th 17, 11:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Weird file behavior

-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:17:42 GMT, Tim scribbled:

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally supporting
Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.


And you say things like 'circular arrow'.

Now type the letter c then dot-over-dot, stick leaning left, rocket ship
going right . . . Well, at least you're at the same mental level of the
average idiot calling tech support.

Maybe you're the guy at Prodigy who told me my PC was too fast to
download the file and I had to press the Turbo button on the front of
the PC to slow it down! That was freaking hysterical.


That's the enter button at the end of the file path bar
in File Explorer. If you were running Windows 10, you
can see that. That's how I figured it out.

Paul
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Old December 27th 17, 01:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Weird file behavior

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 17:07:55 -0500, Paul wrote:

-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:17:42 GMT, Tim scribbled:

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally supporting
Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.


And you say things like 'circular arrow'.

Now type the letter c then dot-over-dot, stick leaning left, rocket ship
going right . . . Well, at least you're at the same mental level of the
average idiot calling tech support.

Maybe you're the guy at Prodigy who told me my PC was too fast to
download the file and I had to press the Turbo button on the front of
the PC to slow it down! That was freaking hysterical.


That's the enter button at the end of the file path bar
in File Explorer. If you were running Windows 10, you
can see that. That's how I figured it out.


When I hover over that button, the tool tip says "Refresh (F5)". In case
that helps anyone to find it.

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Old December 27th 17, 01:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Weird file behavior

-= Hawk =- wrote in
web.com:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 02:17:42 GMT, Tim scribbled:

And before anyone starts in on me, I have been professionally

supporting
Windows in a commercial environment since Windows 3.1.


And you say things like 'circular arrow'.

Now type the letter c then dot-over-dot, stick leaning left, rocket

ship
going right . . . Well, at least you're at the same mental level of the
average idiot calling tech support.

Maybe you're the guy at Prodigy who told me my PC was too fast to
download the file and I had to press the Turbo button on the front of
the PC to slow it down! That was freaking hysterical.


First off, that was the purpose of the Turbo button. The at that time new
Pentium processors were sometimes too fast for existing software to
operate correctly. So the vendors added the Turbo button to slow down the
clock speed to something the older software could handle.

Now, as to my terminology. If one looks at any File Explorer window, in
the directory address box directly below the menu ribbon, one will find
a Refresh button at the right end of the bos. It appears to be an arrow
curled into a circle, unless the page is actively refreshing, when it
appears as an 'X'. This is the same symbology that appears on any tab
page in any of the modern browsers. Do you have a better description for
that button than mine?

And just for information, for twenty years i 'was' that tech support
person, and no one had any problems with my descriptions.

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Old December 29th 17, 10:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Default Weird file behavior

And just for information, for twenty years i 'was' that tech support
person, and no one had any problems with my descriptions.


Kinda sad you'd admit to being a level one tech stooge. You read from
a script, had a book of answers you weren't allowed to deviate from
and anything your limited powers couldn't cover got booted upstairs to
level two or three techs who actually had brains.

One thing those twenty years taught me was to not make assumptions. Just
for your information, that was twenty years as a level three. I was the one
the other support guys came to when they couldn't fix it. And no, they
didn't have a book of scripts either. We taught all our staff how to
diagnose and solve problems on their own. And most of the time, that is
what they did. And while they did that I got to do other fun things like
develop disaster recovery plans and procedures and help design and install
new networks for our plant floor operations.

My philosophy for all of those years was if I teach you how to fix it, you
won't have to come back to me next time it goes wrong. Only when something
new and different crops up.
 




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