Another Thing Ubuntu Can do that Windows Can't

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milt wrote:

Because Alias is a troll, he has terrorized . . .

"Terrorized"? Are people really terrorized by posts on a usenet group?
Perhaps you mean "annoyed."


Their security blanket is being challenged.

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Doum wrote:
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That is besides offering multiple workstations, a much safer
surfing environment, a price that cannot be beat and stability.

When one installs Ubuntu properly, one creates a root or /
partition, a swap partition and a home partition. If for some
reason the system gets borked or if one wants to clean install the
new version, one can merely install Ubuntu over itself and
mounting the swap and previous home partition. Once Ubuntu is
loaded, all default programs are not only installed, all the
tweaks such as bookmarks, passwords, sign ons and all other tweaks
are just as you left them. If one was using Thunderbird, for
example, reinstalling Thunderbird will have the result of all your
emails, email accounts, passwords, etc. being just as you left
them. One does have to get updates and reenable the video card
drivers but that's just a couple of clicks away. Absolutely
amazing and 1000% easier to do than a clean install of Windows of
any flavor.

Before you yell "imaging", one can make an image or clone of
Ubuntu as well but I am comparing a clean install of Windows vs. a
clean install of Ubuntu.


Run PROFESSIONNAL [sic] applications designed for Windows.

Why would I want to do that when there are plenty of PROFESSIONAL
programs for Linux?

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I wish our IT guys would support using something other than a windoze
environment. All they need to do is measure time lost on the IT
support phone lines......

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Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

That is besides offering multiple workstations, a much safer surfing
environment, a price that cannot be beat and stability.

When one installs Ubuntu properly, one creates a root or / partition, a
swap partition and a home partition. If for some reason the system gets
borked or if one wants to clean install the new version, one can merely
install Ubuntu over itself and mounting the swap and previous home
partition. Once Ubuntu is loaded, all default programs are not only
installed, all the tweaks such as bookmarks, passwords, sign ons and all
other tweaks are just as you left them. If one was using Thunderbird,
for example, reinstalling Thunderbird will have the result of all your
emails, email accounts, passwords, etc. being just as you left them. One
does have to get updates and reenable the video card drivers but that's
just a couple of clicks away. Absolutely amazing and 1000% easier to do
than a clean install of Windows of any flavor.

Before you yell "imaging", one can make an image or clone of Ubuntu as
well but I am comparing a clean install of Windows vs. a clean install
of Ubuntu.

Windows does the same friggen thing.
No, it doesn't.

Its called backing up your data.
Not what I'm talking about.

You can save all those passwords, settings in Windows too.
Not what I'm talking about.

Sheesh!
Do you think I remade my X-Face for each OS I use?
You need to read what I wrote again.

No, I don't.
Have someone explain it to you then because you obviously still don't
get it.


Yes...I get it, dumbass.
You said what some dumbass distro could do *that Windows Can't*.
Windows can, you are now saying it is just faster...then change the
thread title.

If you clean install Windows, you need to reinstall ALL your programs
and tweaks. With Ubuntu, you do not.


Then *you* install nothing.

gnucash?
googleearth?
adobeflash10?
gps apps?
Sun Java?


I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.

Which in Windows won't do ****.


I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste


Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.


Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.

A rose by any other name ...


Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.


I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.


Did you fudge up ubuntu?

No.

Why are you reinstalling it?

I wanted to see what would happen.


What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?

Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!

No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.


So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.



The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.


My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.

Liar.


Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.

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Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

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Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

That is besides offering multiple workstations, a much safer surfing
environment, a price that cannot be beat and stability.

When one installs Ubuntu properly, one creates a root or / partition, a
swap partition and a home partition. If for some reason the system gets
borked or if one wants to clean install the new version, one can merely
install Ubuntu over itself and mounting the swap and previous home
partition. Once Ubuntu is loaded, all default programs are not only
installed, all the tweaks such as bookmarks, passwords, sign ons and all
other tweaks are just as you left them. If one was using Thunderbird,
for example, reinstalling Thunderbird will have the result of all your
emails, email accounts, passwords, etc. being just as you left them. One
does have to get updates and reenable the video card drivers but that's
just a couple of clicks away. Absolutely amazing and 1000% easier to do
than a clean install of Windows of any flavor.

Before you yell "imaging", one can make an image or clone of Ubuntu as
well but I am comparing a clean install of Windows vs. a clean install
of Ubuntu.

Windows does the same friggen thing.
No, it doesn't.

Its called backing up your data.
Not what I'm talking about.

You can save all those passwords, settings in Windows too.
Not what I'm talking about.

Sheesh!
Do you think I remade my X-Face for each OS I use?
You need to read what I wrote again.

No, I don't.
Have someone explain it to you then because you obviously still don't
get it.

Yes...I get it, dumbass.
You said what some dumbass distro could do *that Windows Can't*.
Windows can, you are now saying it is just faster...then change the
thread title.
If you clean install Windows, you need to reinstall ALL your programs
and tweaks. With Ubuntu, you do not.


Then *you* install nothing.

gnucash?
googleearth?
adobeflash10?
gps apps?
Sun Java?

Note I wrote, and I quote: "all". As was stated before, those programs
that are installed by default are not only installed but have all the
tweaks, bookmarks, sign ons, etc. configured automagically. When you
need to install and of the programs you list above, all the tweaks, sign
ons and mail/news are automagically configured. See the difference yet?



I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.
Which in Windows won't do ****.


I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste

That won't install anything or configure any program to you liking. You
really don't understand this yet?


Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.

Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.
A rose by any other name ...

Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.

Another one you didn't understand.



I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.

Did you fudge up ubuntu?
No.

Why are you reinstalling it?
I wanted to see what would happen.


What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?

Not necessary. I was so easy a nine year old could do it and remember
how it's done.


Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!
No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.


So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.

No copy/paste needed with Ubuntu.


The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.

My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.
Liar.


Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.


Doing nothing and installing an OS are not the same thing but you
probably knew that and are just being flippant again.

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Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

That is besides offering multiple workstations, a much safer surfing
environment, a price that cannot be beat and stability.

When one installs Ubuntu properly, one creates a root or / partition, a
swap partition and a home partition. If for some reason the system gets
borked or if one wants to clean install the new version, one can merely
install Ubuntu over itself and mounting the swap and previous home
partition. Once Ubuntu is loaded, all default programs are not only
installed, all the tweaks such as bookmarks, passwords, sign ons and all
other tweaks are just as you left them. If one was using Thunderbird,
for example, reinstalling Thunderbird will have the result of all your
emails, email accounts, passwords, etc. being just as you left them. One
does have to get updates and reenable the video card drivers but that's
just a couple of clicks away. Absolutely amazing and 1000% easier to do
than a clean install of Windows of any flavor.

Before you yell "imaging", one can make an image or clone of Ubuntu as
well but I am comparing a clean install of Windows vs. a clean install
of Ubuntu.

Windows does the same friggen thing.
No, it doesn't.

Its called backing up your data.
Not what I'm talking about.

You can save all those passwords, settings in Windows too.
Not what I'm talking about.

Sheesh!
Do you think I remade my X-Face for each OS I use?
You need to read what I wrote again.

No, I don't.
Have someone explain it to you then because you obviously still don't
get it.

Yes...I get it, dumbass.
You said what some dumbass distro could do *that Windows Can't*.
Windows can, you are now saying it is just faster...then change the
thread title.
If you clean install Windows, you need to reinstall ALL your programs
and tweaks. With Ubuntu, you do not.


Then *you* install nothing.

gnucash?
googleearth?
adobeflash10?
gps apps?
Sun Java?

Note I wrote, and I quote: "all". As was stated before, those programs
that are installed by default are not only installed but have all the
tweaks, bookmarks, sign ons, etc. configured automagically. When you
need to install and of the programs you list above, all the tweaks, sign
ons and mail/news are automagically configured. See the difference yet?



No.
Because it is stupid to say saved bookmarks in your /home is somehow
some huge friggen difference than just copying them over from say a
thumb drive in Windows. Or copying your wallpapers over. My newsgroup
settings are saved in a text file. So, even if I change programs, I can
enter them in.
Only a pinhead like you thinks reusing a /home folder is some great
thing.
I don't store all my music in my home folder ... I store them on a
seperate drive that both Windows and Linux can use...so your example is
useless to me. I point the reinstalled Amarok to it...tada!
You are putting all your faith in your stupid /home partition.
It probably resides on the same drive you install ubuntu.
If the drive fails ... where is your /home partition?
Otherwise you need a dedicated drive for /home, which also can fail...so
you still need a backup...which *dummy* is exactly what I do in Windows.

Your example is fine if you are just re-installing to see "what
happens". A little bored, are we?

But, in a real world situation, you will need to have backed up the home
partition. So, during your reinstall of ubuntu, your gonna have to
copy over your /home partition anyway ... which is little different from
my importing saved settings into Windows.



I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.
Which in Windows won't do ****.


I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste

That won't install anything or configure any program to you liking. You
really don't understand this yet?


Import.
Export.
Works like a charm.
You also still have to re-install gnucash, as an example.
After that, I import my saved file.
What the fudge is so hard about that?
You keep saying ubuntu installed everything for you.
It did not if you added programs that aren't shipped with the
distro...so you still have to download them...and they still get
re-installed. Your settings are already in the /home folder....hurrah!
I gotta click import....so friggen what?


Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.

Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.
A rose by any other name ...

Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.

Another one you didn't understand.


Que pasa?



I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.

Did you fudge up ubuntu?
No.

Why are you reinstalling it?
I wanted to see what would happen.


What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?

Not necessary. I was so easy a nine year old could do it and remember
how it's done.


Yes...worked well when you reinstalled a perfectly good OS.
Wait until the drive fails.
Tell me how it goes then.


Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!
No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.


So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.

No copy/paste needed with Ubuntu.


Jeez.
Much better to just reinstall the OS for the heck of it.
Getting bored with ubuntu?
Reinstalling it over and over?
Weirdo.


The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.

My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.
Liar.


Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.


Doing nothing and installing an OS are not the same thing but you
probably knew that and are just being flippant again.


Installing ubuntu for the heck of it *is* doing nothing.

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Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Death thought he replied to this.
Death sees no reply.
Death apologizes in advance if he is confusing the send button with the
red X.
Reply inline.

Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

That is besides offering multiple workstations, a much safer surfing
environment, a price that cannot be beat and stability.

When one installs Ubuntu properly, one creates a root or / partition, a
swap partition and a home partition. If for some reason the system gets
borked or if one wants to clean install the new version, one can merely
install Ubuntu over itself and mounting the swap and previous home
partition. Once Ubuntu is loaded, all default programs are not only
installed, all the tweaks such as bookmarks, passwords, sign ons and all
other tweaks are just as you left them. If one was using Thunderbird,
for example, reinstalling Thunderbird will have the result of all your
emails, email accounts, passwords, etc. being just as you left them. One
does have to get updates and reenable the video card drivers but that's
just a couple of clicks away. Absolutely amazing and 1000% easier to do
than a clean install of Windows of any flavor.

Before you yell "imaging", one can make an image or clone of Ubuntu as
well but I am comparing a clean install of Windows vs. a clean install
of Ubuntu.

Windows does the same friggen thing.
No, it doesn't.

Its called backing up your data.
Not what I'm talking about.

You can save all those passwords, settings in Windows too.
Not what I'm talking about.

Sheesh!
Do you think I remade my X-Face for each OS I use?
You need to read what I wrote again.

No, I don't.
Have someone explain it to you then because you obviously still don't
get it.

Yes...I get it, dumbass.
You said what some dumbass distro could do *that Windows Can't*.
Windows can, you are now saying it is just faster...then change the
thread title.
If you clean install Windows, you need to reinstall ALL your programs
and tweaks. With Ubuntu, you do not.

Then *you* install nothing.

gnucash?
googleearth?
adobeflash10?
gps apps?
Sun Java?
Note I wrote, and I quote: "all". As was stated before, those programs
that are installed by default are not only installed but have all the
tweaks, bookmarks, sign ons, etc. configured automagically. When you
need to install and of the programs you list above, all the tweaks, sign
ons and mail/news are automagically configured. See the difference yet?



No.
Because it is stupid to say saved bookmarks in your /home is somehow
some huge friggen difference than just copying them over from say a
thumb drive in Windows. Or copying your wallpapers over. My newsgroup
settings are saved in a text file. So, even if I change programs, I can
enter them in.

With what I did, all of the above isn't necessary.

Only a pinhead like you thinks reusing a /home folder is some great
thing.

Yawn.

I don't store all my music in my home folder ... I store them on a
seperate drive that both Windows and Linux can use...so your example is
useless to me. I point the reinstalled Amarok to it...tada!

With the way I did it, you don't need to point Amarok towards anything
because it will automagically be done when you reinstall it.

You are putting all your faith in your stupid /home partition.

I didn't say that.

It probably resides on the same drive you install ubuntu.

Of course.

If the drive fails ... where is your /home partition?

Backed up to an external drive.

Otherwise you need a dedicated drive for /home, which also can fail...so
you still need a backup...which *dummy* is exactly what I do in Windows.

Back up, yes, clean install, NO.


Your example is fine if you are just re-installing to see "what
happens". A little bored, are we?

No, I wanted to see how it went in the even that I have to do it for
someone else who followed some lame asshole's "advice" on a Linux forum
which borked their install.


But, in a real world situation, you will need to have backed up the home
partition. So, during your reinstall of ubuntu, your gonna have to
copy over your /home partition anyway ... which is little different from
my importing saved settings into Windows.

No, you don't. You can clean install Ubuntu with the home partition on
the drive. If you mount it, it will automagically do what I have stated.



I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.
Which in Windows won't do ****.

I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste
That won't install anything or configure any program to you liking. You
really don't understand this yet?


Import.
Export.
Works like a charm.
You also still have to re-install gnucash, as an example.
After that, I import my saved file.
What the fudge is so hard about that?
You keep saying ubuntu installed everything for you.
It did not if you added programs that aren't shipped with the
distro...so you still have to download them...and they still get
re-installed. Your settings are already in the /home folder....hurrah!
I gotta click import....so friggen what?

I bet you import a .pst file as well, don't you?


Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.

Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.
A rose by any other name ...
Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.
Another one you didn't understand.


Que pasa?

En tu cranio, nada bueno.



I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.

Did you fudge up ubuntu?
No.

Why are you reinstalling it?
I wanted to see what would happen.

What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?
Not necessary. I was so easy a nine year old could do it and remember
how it's done.


Yes...worked well when you reinstalled a perfectly good OS.
Wait until the drive fails.
Tell me how it goes then.

Which is why my home directory is backed up. Got any more straw man
idiotic arguments you care to share?


Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!
No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.

So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.
No copy/paste needed with Ubuntu.


Jeez.
Much better to just reinstall the OS for the heck of it.
Getting bored with ubuntu?
Reinstalling it over and over?
Weirdo.

Another straw man.


The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.

My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.
Liar.

Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.

Doing nothing and installing an OS are not the same thing but you
probably knew that and are just being flippant again.


Installing ubuntu for the heck of it *is* doing nothing.


It wasn't for the "heck of it". I have many clients who have Ubuntu
installed and I support the install I did and continue to give them
service if they need it. So far, none have needed it but it's a good
idea to be prepared.

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Alias wrote:

Death wrote:

SNIP

No.
Because it is stupid to say saved bookmarks in your /home is somehow
some huge friggen difference than just copying them over from say a
thumb drive in Windows. Or copying your wallpapers over. My newsgroup
settings are saved in a text file. So, even if I change programs, I can
enter them in.

With what I did, all of the above isn't necessary.


Because you reinstalled for no reason.
If you were reinstalling to fix something you hosed, you will be using
those hosed settings again.


Only a pinhead like you thinks reusing a /home folder is some great
thing.

Yawn.

I don't store all my music in my home folder ... I store them on a
seperate drive that both Windows and Linux can use...so your example is
useless to me. I point the reinstalled Amarok to it...tada!

With the way I did it, you don't need to point Amarok towards anything
because it will automagically be done when you reinstall it.


That's because like a ninny...you fill your /home with music.
People with a large collection save it on its own drive.

You are putting all your faith in your stupid /home partition.

I didn't say that.

It probably resides on the same drive you install ubuntu.

Of course.

If the drive fails ... where is your /home partition?

Backed up to an external drive.

Otherwise you need a dedicated drive for /home, which also can fail...so
you still need a backup...which *dummy* is exactly what I do in Windows.

Back up, yes, clean install, NO.


Your example is fine if you are just re-installing to see "what
happens". A little bored, are we?

No, I wanted to see how it went in the even that I have to do it for
someone else who followed some lame asshole's "advice" on a Linux forum
which borked their install.


Then stop giving advice.
I thought Linux was unassailable.



But, in a real world situation, you will need to have backed up the home
partition. So, during your reinstall of ubuntu, your gonna have to
copy over your /home partition anyway ... which is little different from
my importing saved settings into Windows.

No, you don't. You can clean install Ubuntu with the home partition on
the drive. If you mount it, it will automagically do what I have stated.


Why are you reinstalling it?
In a real world situation where you are doing it cause of drive failure.
You are doing it for the hell of it.
I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.



I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.
Which in Windows won't do ****.

I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste
That won't install anything or configure any program to you liking. You
really don't understand this yet?


Import.
Export.
Works like a charm.
You also still have to re-install gnucash, as an example.
After that, I import my saved file.
What the fudge is so hard about that?
You keep saying ubuntu installed everything for you.
It did not if you added programs that aren't shipped with the
distro...so you still have to download them...and they still get
re-installed. Your settings are already in the /home folder....hurrah!
I gotta click import....so friggen what?

I bet you import a .pst file as well, don't you?


Since I don't use Outlook, no.



Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.

Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.
A rose by any other name ...
Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.
Another one you didn't understand.


Que pasa?

En tu cranio, nada bueno.



I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.

Did you fudge up ubuntu?
No.

Why are you reinstalling it?
I wanted to see what would happen.

What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?
Not necessary. I was so easy a nine year old could do it and remember
how it's done.


Yes...worked well when you reinstalled a perfectly good OS.
Wait until the drive fails.
Tell me how it goes then.

Which is why my home directory is backed up. Got any more straw man
idiotic arguments you care to share?


And my Windows stuff is backed up.
So your example is stupid.



Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!
No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.

So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.
No copy/paste needed with Ubuntu.


Jeez.
Much better to just reinstall the OS for the heck of it.
Getting bored with ubuntu?
Reinstalling it over and over?
Weirdo.

Another straw man.


You are claiming how well it works .... to reinstall an OS for no
reason.


The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.

My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.
Liar.

Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.

Doing nothing and installing an OS are not the same thing but you
probably knew that and are just being flippant again.


Installing ubuntu for the heck of it *is* doing nothing.


It wasn't for the "heck of it". I have many clients who have Ubuntu
installed and I support the install I did and continue to give them
service if they need it. So far, none have needed it but it's a good
idea to be prepared.


Ok....your customers drive failed.
Fix it the way you just did your example.
Hehehe ... they were keeping the backed up /home on the same drive.
You know how customers do the strangest things.

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Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:

SNIP

No.
Because it is stupid to say saved bookmarks in your /home is somehow
some huge friggen difference than just copying them over from say a
thumb drive in Windows. Or copying your wallpapers over. My newsgroup
settings are saved in a text file. So, even if I change programs, I can
enter them in.
With what I did, all of the above isn't necessary.


Because you reinstalled for no reason.
If you were reinstalling to fix something you hosed, you will be using
those hosed settings again.

And that something would be?



Only a pinhead like you thinks reusing a /home folder is some great
thing.
Yawn.

I don't store all my music in my home folder ... I store them on a
seperate drive that both Windows and Linux can use...so your example is
useless to me. I point the reinstalled Amarok to it...tada!
With the way I did it, you don't need to point Amarok towards anything
because it will automagically be done when you reinstall it.


That's because like a ninny...you fill your /home with music.
People with a large collection save it on its own drive.

I save it on four drives.


You are putting all your faith in your stupid /home partition.
I didn't say that.

It probably resides on the same drive you install ubuntu.
Of course.

If the drive fails ... where is your /home partition?
Backed up to an external drive.

Otherwise you need a dedicated drive for /home, which also can fail...so
you still need a backup...which *dummy* is exactly what I do in Windows.
Back up, yes, clean install, NO.

Your example is fine if you are just re-installing to see "what
happens". A little bored, are we?
No, I wanted to see how it went in the even that I have to do it for
someone else who followed some lame asshole's "advice" on a Linux forum
which borked their install.


Then stop giving advice.

Straw man.

I thought Linux was unassailable.

You think? Since when?



But, in a real world situation, you will need to have backed up the home
partition. So, during your reinstall of ubuntu, your gonna have to
copy over your /home partition anyway ... which is little different from
my importing saved settings into Windows.
No, you don't. You can clean install Ubuntu with the home partition on
the drive. If you mount it, it will automagically do what I have stated.


Why are you reinstalling it?

Told you already.

In a real world situation where you are doing it cause of drive failure.

That could be one reason.

You are doing it for the hell of it.
I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.

Yawn.



I can export my email data, reinstall Vista, them import it.
Same end result, no?
Yes, but not the same thing. The Windows way takes MUCH longer. No
exporting or importing required with Ubuntu.

It is the same thing.
You have a saved /home partition.
I have a /"Death saves some ****" partition.
Which in Windows won't do ****.

I had to master copy/paste...big whoop!
After years of study, I figured it out.
death@linux$ man copy/paste
That won't install anything or configure any program to you liking. You
really don't understand this yet?

Import.
Export.
Works like a charm.
You also still have to re-install gnucash, as an example.
After that, I import my saved file.
What the fudge is so hard about that?
You keep saying ubuntu installed everything for you.
It did not if you added programs that aren't shipped with the
distro...so you still have to download them...and they still get
re-installed. Your settings are already in the /home folder....hurrah!
I gotta click import....so friggen what?
I bet you import a .pst file as well, don't you?


Since I don't use Outlook, no.

If you did, would you?



Is that the default way ubuntu installs?
It used to create only a / and swap.

I can save passwords.
I can save favorites...bookmarks in your world.
Bookmarks is the correct terminology for everything except Internet
Explorer.

Favorites are what 80% of the world calls them.
You may call them ubuntard droppings.
A rose by any other name ...
Aren't you sweet.
Hugs and kisses to you, too.
Another one you didn't understand.

Que pasa?
En tu cranio, nada bueno.

I can save google earth collections.

Why are you saying it can't be done in Windows?
It can but it takes a lot longer. With Ubuntu, it's done automagically
when you reinstall a program that didn't come installed as default.
Those that are installed by default, like Firefox and Compiz, don't need
to be reinstalled nor tweaked. In fact, the chess game I was playing was
at the same point where I left it, in the middle of a game. When I
reinstalled Exhaile, my library of songs was intact, no import
necessary. When I reinstalled Pidgen, all my contacts and accounts were
intact. This was true with ALL the applications, wallpaper, etc.

Did you fudge up ubuntu?
No.

Why are you reinstalling it?
I wanted to see what would happen.

What "happened"? ...lol.
And, did you enter it into your diary?
Not necessary. I was so easy a nine year old could do it and remember
how it's done.

Yes...worked well when you reinstalled a perfectly good OS.
Wait until the drive fails.
Tell me how it goes then.
Which is why my home directory is backed up. Got any more straw man
idiotic arguments you care to share?


And my Windows stuff is backed up.

But restoring the back up will NOT automagically configure all your
programs, OS tweaks, etc.

So your example is stupid.

No, you are.



Wow! ... your wallpaper worked!
Amazing!
No, my wallpaper was automagically still there as well as the skydome.

So's mine.
Using pictures from other partitions is quite possible in Windows.
And then, there's copy/paste.
No copy/paste needed with Ubuntu.

Jeez.
Much better to just reinstall the OS for the heck of it.
Getting bored with ubuntu?
Reinstalling it over and over?
Weirdo.
Another straw man.


You are claiming how well it works .... to reinstall an OS for no
reason.

That's changing the subject to one you hope you can refute, aka Straw
Man Argument.


The big problem with your way is people will end up formatting the home
partition during install...unless they know what they be doing.

As with any OS, knowing what you're doing is a prerequisite to success.
How many times have you seen someone post that they ended up with two
installs of XP because they didn't know what they were doing and did
"press any key to boot from the CDROM" the second time round?

BTW, my procedure took less than half an hour, another thing that a
clean install of Windows cannot do.

My ubuntu install took 0 seconds.
Blah.
Liar.

Doing nothing takes 0 seconds.
Ask anybody.

Doing nothing and installing an OS are not the same thing but you
probably knew that and are just being flippant again.

Installing ubuntu for the heck of it *is* doing nothing.

It wasn't for the "heck of it". I have many clients who have Ubuntu
installed and I support the install I did and continue to give them
service if they need it. So far, none have needed it but it's a good
idea to be prepared.


Ok....your customers drive failed.
Fix it the way you just did your example.
Hehehe ... they were keeping the backed up /home on the same drive.
You know how customers do the strangest things.


Unlike most techs, I actually tell people and show people what they can
do and *all* my clients back up their Home directory to external media.
Most of my clients still have PATA drives and it isn't a good idea to
have a PATA drive as a slave drive.

--
Alias

Alias wrote:

SNIP


Unlike most techs, I actually tell people and show people what they can
do and *all* my clients back up their Home directory to external media.
Most of my clients still have PATA drives and it isn't a good idea to
have a PATA drive as a slave drive.


Sure they do.
They all create regular backups in the Windows world too.
They all create restore disks from their restore partition as soon as
they get that new PC home.

Amazing how smart your *clients* are, yet they need you to stick the
****in live CD in the tray.

Your a moron.
But I like ya anyway.

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Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Death wrote:

I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.

Open a terminal and type this: sudo rm -rf /

Now, fix it.

--
Alias

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

SNIP

Unlike most techs, I actually tell people and show people what they can
do and *all* my clients back up their Home directory to external media.
Most of my clients still have PATA drives and it isn't a good idea to
have a PATA drive as a slave drive.


Sure they do.

Yep.

They all create regular backups in the Windows world too.

Yep.

They all create restore disks from their restore partition as soon as
they get that new PC home.

Yep.


Amazing how smart your *clients* are,

It is, isn't it?

yet they need you to stick the
****in live CD in the tray.

And configure the partitions, Compiz, video drivers, etc. is *not* just
sticking a live CD in the tray. Explaining things isn't either.


Your a moron.
But I like ya anyway.

Nice try at straw manning the hell out of this debate but no cigar.

--
Alias

Alias wrote:

Death wrote:

I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.

Open a terminal and type this: sudo rm -rf /

Now, fix it.


death@linux-rfry:~ man rm

rm - remove files or directories
-r, -R, --recursive
remove directories and their contents recursively
-f, --force
ignore nonexistent files, never prompt


Pretty stupid if I did.
Your fix is for stupid people.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:

I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.
Open a terminal and type this: sudo rm -rf /

Now, fix it.


death@linux-rfry:~ man rm

rm - remove files or directories
-r, -R, --recursive
remove directories and their contents recursively
-f, --force
ignore nonexistent files, never prompt


Pretty stupid if I did.
Your fix is for stupid people.


Most computer mistakes are stupid ones.

--
Alias

Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

SNIP

Unlike most techs, I actually tell people and show people what they can
do and *all* my clients back up their Home directory to external media.
Most of my clients still have PATA drives and it isn't a good idea to
have a PATA drive as a slave drive.


Sure they do.

Yep.

They all create regular backups in the Windows world too.

Yep.

They all create restore disks from their restore partition as soon as
they get that new PC home.

Yep.


Amazing how smart your *clients* are,

It is, isn't it?

yet they need you to stick the
****in live CD in the tray.

And configure the partitions, Compiz, video drivers, etc. is *not* just
sticking a live CD in the tray. Explaining things isn't either.


You say compiz works out of the box...now it don't?
You say video drivers is automagical...now it ain't?
Explaining what?
"That plastic tray that just extended from the computer is where I'm
gonna stick this magical mini record".
Yeah....they need you for that.
You gonna tell them all about dangerous cookies too?


Your a moron.
But I like ya anyway.

Nice try at straw manning the hell out of this debate but no cigar.


You lost that debate days ago.
Now you just amuse me.


--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Alias wrote:

Death wrote:
Alias wrote:

Death wrote:

I've never reinstalled Linux to fix it....you just fix it.
Open a terminal and type this: sudo rm -rf /

Now, fix it.


death@linux-rfry:~ man rm

rm - remove files or directories
-r, -R, --recursive
remove directories and their contents recursively
-f, --force
ignore nonexistent files, never prompt


Pretty stupid if I did.
Your fix is for stupid people.


Most computer mistakes are stupid ones.


How dare you try Linux magic on me!

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.