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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
Henry wrote:
I've looked for a similar driver for a Dell NC-6000 and can't find one. I would appreciate any help finding it because like the rest of you the touchpad gets in the way. Right now I have it covered with a piece of cardboard. I've looked for a key to press to turn the touchpad on and off and I've looked under mouse to find a turn off option and I can find neither. Thanks Mea Culpa. I meant a Compaq NC-6000 laptop. Sorry. I really looked for a Compaq driver. http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...&swEnvOID=1093 This driver is for WinXP. http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...tem=ob-29679-1 "- Fixes issue that occurred when using an external PS/2 mouse and selecting an action with mouse button 2 (MB2)." No mention of USB there. In the SynHid.inf file... [SynMfg] %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0003 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0006 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0007 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0008 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_00 %USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002.DeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_01 Then, looking that up here, the description looks rather generic. Like, a lot of devices map to the same entries. And this isn't a surprise, because the thing primarily starts life as a mouse emulation, and when this filter driver is installed, it examines the stream of coordinates and adds extra (virtual) features. And since this is a USB connected device, you would think adding the "USB disable" feature when a USB mouse was present, would make sense. Trouble is, that update is from 2005. http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids 06cb Synaptics, Inc. 0001 TouchPad 0002 Integrated TouchPad I look at the old driver, to get some idea of the hardware identity. Your Touchpad is either 0001 or 0002. ******* So if I randomly select the next Touchpad driver I can find... http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/s...tem=ob-48345-1 The synhid.inf in there covers more devices, including 0001 and 0002. This is in the WinNT5 folder (there is also a WinWDF folder for Vista). The driver download size is roughly 3x the previous one. DriverVer=01/12/2007, 9.1.11.0 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0001 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0002 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_cPad_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0003 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0006 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0007 %USB.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0008 %USB_Comp.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_00 %USB_Comp.SynDeviceDesc%=USB_Inst, USB\Vid_06CB&Pid_0009&MI_01 I "look through" a driver file, using 7ZIP. It can open archive files, using the right-click menu in the file explorer in Windows. What it can't do, is look in the .cab files of an InstallShield, but in the case of some of the HP drivers, things like the .INF files are out in the open. http://www.7-zip.org/ There's no way of knowing whether the "USB disconnect" feature is in there or not. The HP site offers this generic advice, and it looks like the mouse control panel is augmented by the Synaptics driver. There is a disable option in the control panel (a manual feature). No mention of automatic USB disable when a mouse is plugged in. My Acer tablet doesn't do that (touchpad still runs, when my USB mouse is present). http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...1002_usen#N903 http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA.../c03523757.jpg ******* So how do you play with those safely ? 1) You could back up all of C: and fool around safely. 2) You could set a "Restore Point" using System Restore. Which for ordinary drivers, might be sufficient to remove the driver if something bad happens. System Restore doesn't handle all file types well, which is why I don't trust it as much as (1) as a remedy for bad drivers. 3) Device Manager has a "roll back driver" option, which works to a depth of one. If a new driver turns out to be a disaster, that option is available to you. That option might be suitable for things like Promise "installer-less, INF based" driver updates. Option 1 is more work, but in a "take no prisoners" software situation, it's an option I rely on quite often. It's why my C: partition has been trimmed down, and the cruft put elsewhere. Making the time to backup C:, less than ten minutes. Have fun, Paul |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
On 9/15/2013 6:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:50:49 -0500, Bob I wrote: On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:44:12 -0400, Stan Brown wrote: I hear you brother! And if mine is representative, it's not just the documentation that sucks, but their keyboard design as well. My current Inspiron laptop (1784, if memory serves) has a key with an undecipherable icon between F12 and Insert. I discovered by accident that that turns the touchpad on and off. Looks like a - with a triangle above it? No. Ejects optical drive. I already told what it does -- you even quoted me. Found an image for a 1764 keyboard, (1784 doesn't appear to be a valid model for a dell) and it would appear that the indecipherable icon replicates the appearance of a touch pad and mouse buttons with an "X" in the touch pad area. So that seems logical, and is working as designed. There's a battery icon on the F3 key, but I've been unable to discover what that does -- if it even does anything. Fn+F3 opens Battery Meter. That would be logical, but it doesn't. Perhaps the Quickset drivers need updating? ftp://ftp.dell.com/browse_for_driver...ml#Application |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:52:04 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
KDE works fine having panels at the sides, Gnome does not. In fact, if you google for the longest known unfixed Gnome bug, you're likely to find the bug report for the fact that you just can't put menus on the sides due to the fact that the resize algorithm starts going haywire when you have a handful of windows (the actual number of windows where it goes haywire depends on the width setting of your panel). Basically, with Gnome, it's impossible to put the menus on the side from any practical perspective (it works if you never use the panel but not if you use it). |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
VanguardLH wrote:
So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable button for the touchpad. Thanks for looking. I agree with your assessment. |
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Art Todesco wrote:
Gee, someone who knows how to type! I took typing in high school way back when (big green heavy IBM Selectrics, IIRC). With the ball that bounced around. We weren't allowed to use the erase tape! So, yeah. I know where to put my fingers (many people have apparently never even noticed that the F and J keys have 'locator' knobs). |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
VanguardLH wrote:
I know lots of laptop users that can type just fine. Hmmm... I took typing and I type at something like 80 words per minute, so, I'm positive that I know *where* my hands go. Specifically, the palms are straight back, touching the front of the keyboard. And, guess what is exactly where the palms go? Yup. The touchpad. It's basically impossible *not* to physically touch the touchpad with your palms if you type properly. Proximity has nothing to do with it. |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote: I took typing in high school way back when (big green heavy IBM Selectrics, IIRC). With the ball that bounced around. We weren't allowed to use the erase tape! When I went to high school (I graduated in 1955) girls took typing and boys didn't. It was way before the Selectric became available. So, yeah. I know where to put my fingers (many people have apparently never even noticed that the F and J keys have 'locator' knobs). I've noticed, but it's meaningless to me, Since I don't type correctly, there's no right place for my fingers. A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from, rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for me. So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me. |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USBmouse is connected?
Danny D. wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: So it looks like Dell didn't bother providing an easy disable/enable button for the touchpad. Thanks for looking. I agree with your assessment. Power down the machine remove the keyboard detach the lead wires for the touchpad from the motherboard and then reboot. |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?
Danny D. wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: I know lots of laptop users that can type just fine. Hmmm... I took typing and I type at something like 80 words per minute, so, I'm positive that I know *where* my hands go. Specifically, the palms are straight back, touching the front of the keyboard. And, guess what is exactly where the palms go? Yup. The touchpad. It's basically impossible *not* to physically touch the touchpad with your palms if you type properly. Proximity has nothing to do with it. Speed of typing has nothing to do with sensitivity of device. That's like saying your typing speed would change depending on whether the keycaps were black, white, grey, or some other color. Sensititivity of a pointing device is irrelevant of your typing speed. Laptop keyboards are NOT designed for fast typists, lazy typists, or slow typists. They are designed for hunt-and-peck typists. Considering the low-profile of the keys, undersizing of the keycaps, and poor feedback (tactile feel), they are hardly anything any world speed typist would consider viable for rapid typing. However, the quality of the keycaps isn't the issue. The issue is where the touchpad is placed along with the proximity of your palms while you type. They expect you to have the laptop's keyboard at the wrong height (too low -- like on your, um, lap) which results in a sharp angle of your wrist which would tend to raise your palms as you strive to reduce strain on your wrists. Laptop keyboards are designed for punching the keys versus tapping them. So you can keep sensitivty high on the touchpad and suffer errant mouse events from the touchpad or you can decrease sensitivty to reduce those proximity errors. Have you tried reducing sensitivity of the touchpad to see if the errors diminish or disappear? Do you really notice use of the touchpad is significantly altered when you reduce its sensitivity? |
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Is there freeware to turn OFF the sensitive TOUCHPAD when a USB mouse is connected?
"Ken Blake" wrote in message
... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from, rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for me. So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me. Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- The quick brown foxes jumped over the lazy dogs.... and Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party is/are the most commonly used keys. I had a spare session one half-day per week in Com-college and took business - one of the modules was typing (hint, this was where the girls were). We did bookkeeping too. Ahh the joys of it Underwood - Royal - Remington,,, IBM came up with the first (for me) electric ... clickketty clack all day long.. Cheers Tommy |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:37:51 +0100, "Tommy"
wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from, rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for me. So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me. Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- Undoubtedly, I could study and practice and improve my speed and accuracy. But at this point in my life, I have no desire to do that. I'll remain a two-finger typist. |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:08:09 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:37:51 +0100, "Tommy" wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:04:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote: A number of years ago, I started taking PC-based typing self-instruction. I did OK for a while, then decided to give it up. If you type correctly, you can look at the page you are typing from, rather than at the keyboard. Since I'm not a secretary, there's no page I'm typing from, and looking at the keyboard isn't a problem for me. So I use all the wrong fingers, and look at the wrong place, but nevertheless I can type pretty fast. That's why I gave up trying to learn to type correctly. Correctly has no real value for me. Whether you look at the keys, or not (I do occasionally after moving from the home keys), two exercises to help speed and accuracy ----- Undoubtedly, I could study and practice and improve my speed and accuracy. But at this point in my life, I have no desire to do that. I'll remain a two-finger typist. Sometimes in traffic, I am a one-finger typist. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Ken Blake wrote:
When I went to high school (I graduated in 1955) girls took typing and boys didn't. It was way before the Selectric became available. Even when I took it, with those big heavy green selectrics, the class was mostly girls. That's partly why I took it! |
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Ken Blake wrote:
Correctly has no real value for me. I'm amazed at how much it helps me, especially when I'm helping my wife write something, she talks, I type, but I keep my eyes on her when she talks as she gets mad otherwise. Also, it's great for when I'm transcribing. And, of course, even here, where my word speed is almost as fast as my thoughts ... |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:08:09 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
I'll remain a two-finger typist. It's like learning "vi". You gotta learn it when you're young! And, it stays with you, for the rest of your life. PS: I still use Vi freeware on the Windows pc! |
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