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Why not Widows 10?
On 25 Oct 2015, Stan Pierce wrote in
alt.windows7.general: Problem 1: Text size of E-mail and many sites keeps changing font size at any time. I can use Ctrl/0 to get the size larger but it still switches back to smaller at most any time. That's not a problem with the OS, that's a problem with whatever email program and browser you choose to use. |
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Why not Widows 10?
Charlie+ wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:16:47 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote as underneath : | Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation..... | | http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F | | original version here | | http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ | This was talked about awhile back. Here's an English analysis: http://www.helpsec.net/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10 I don't know who wrote the English article. I first came across it at localghost.org. It seems to now be gone from there, but I had saved it, so I did a search for a unique phrase: "autocorrect dictionary that benefits" That turned up numerous sites and online discussions that have reprinted the exact same analysis, word for word! Yet I haven't found who originally wrote it. Also, for those who don't want to enable javascript, the Czech text can be pasted here for translation: http://itools.com/language/translate Just wondering if there is a similar analysis of Apple's OS? Iv had questions from friends as to as to whether changing from Windows to Apple might be worthwhile to avoid all this snooping? Or will the nsaetc. poke Apple to do something similar (if they arnt' doing it already)? Looks safe to me :-) https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home/ Paul |
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Why not Widows 10?
On 10/25/2015 2:40 PM, Stan Pierce wrote:
masonc wrote: Please enumerate reasons for not getting Windows 10. Is not resistance futile? Why are we resisting? (I'm newly settled in windows7.) snip Problem 2: The icon arrangement on my desktop keeps getting all scrambled and I don't know how to make it stay the way I arrange it. snip I don't know what's causing that or how to fix it, but I have used freeware programs to save and restore desktop icon arrangements with w7, until you sort out the problem you might consider trying some of those, I think the one I used for w7 was Icon Resto http://download.cnet.com/Icon-Restor...-10163499.html Mike |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:16:47 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: | Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation..... | | http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F | | original version here | | http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ | This was talked about awhile back. Here's an English analysis: http://www.helpsec.net/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10 I don't know who wrote the English article. I first came across it at localghost.org. It seems to now be gone from there, but I had saved it, so I did a search for a unique phrase: Well if that is true, then Win 10 will be out to make a lot of money for my ISP, especially if it is sending out raw voice data. Has anyone used Win 10 without being connected to the internet? What happens? Does the disk fill up with all the stuff it's waiting to send? Can you delete it before connecting? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 10/25/2015 04:40 PM, Stan Pierce wrote:
[snip] Problem 1: Text size of E-mail and many sites keeps changing font size at any time. I can use Ctrl/0 to get the size larger but it still switches back to smaller at most any time. That would most likely be the software you're using. You could try Thunderbird. Problem 2: The icon arrangement on my desktop keeps getting all scrambled and I don't know how to make it stay the way I arrange it. That can be a common problem with any version of Windows. Problem 3: The various menus that you get when using the right mouse button keep popping up as I move the pointer across the screen. And it is not me doing it! Are you getting this on a laptop with touchpad? I've found a lot of them uncooperative like that. I have used Windows 10 some, but I'm going to keep Windows XP or 7 for normal use. -- 60 days until the winter celebration (Friday December 25, 2015 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "We don't have integrity, we have God." -- 2bHis |
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In message , Mike S
writes: On 10/25/2015 2:40 PM, Stan Pierce wrote: [] Problem 2: The icon arrangement on my desktop keeps getting all scrambled and I don't know how to make it stay the way I arrange it. snip I don't know what's causing that or how to fix it, but I have used freeware programs to save and restore desktop icon arrangements with w7, until you sort out the problem you might consider trying some of those, I think the one I used for w7 was Icon Resto http://download.cnet.com/Icon-Restor...-10163499.html Mike I usually go for iconoid from sillysot; DesktopOK, though a little less intuitive to use, does have the option of storing in a real file, rather than in the registry or somewhere. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You can be tough without being rude - Nick Clegg, 2014 July |
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| Thank you M for a comprehensive survey, that is a lot of useful homework
| for me - and food for thaught!! C+ I was thinking afterward that a synopsis of all that might be the point that Apple is primarily a consumer/entertainment company while Microsoft mainly caters to business. There's some crossover, but I think it's inaccurate to just think of them as two competing computer companies. |
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Dne 25.10.2015 v 9:28 Paul napsal(a):
Petr Laznovsky wrote: Dne 24.10.2015 v 20:05 Nil napsal(a): On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. Windows 10 is a no-go for me because of its embedded telemetry/spyware features and its lack of control over updates. I plan to avoid it for as long as I can, maybe forever. Try this analysis, is not in English but I am trying to link translation..... http://translate.google.com/translat...-komunikace%2F original version here http://www.root.cz/clanky/windows-10...ci-komunikace/ L. For example, how do you know that WinPCAP captured all the traffic ? What if the network stack was compromised, so some of the traffic was not captured by Wireshark at all ? You would need to include external packet tracing (done by a box outside the computer), correlate with Wireshark tracing, and making sure nothing "got lost". This is how it was done. Traffic was captured on linux gateway, out of the W10 box. L. |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 05:55:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:05:27 -0400, Nil wrote: On 24 Oct 2015, Steve Hayes wrote in alt.windows7.general: 3) I'm not sure what features it has that makes it more desirable than Windows 7, and whether I desire those features at all. I have yet to hear a single advantage for me to upgrade to Windows 8 or 10 from Windows 7. Aye, and that is why I am hoping that someone who has "upgraded" from Windows 7 to Windows 10 will tell is what advantages there are, if any. And also what disadvantages they have found, if any. I upgraded my Win7 setup to Win8. Didn't care for the Native interface but I got Start8 (I think but one of those "fixes") and that made it seem a lot like how 7 looked. Used it for about a month and thought it was OK and liked a few things better in it then in 7 but don't recall the specifics now. The main thing I did not like was how it "looked"... the blockiness of the windows.. it simply didn't have the elegant and refined look of Win7, instead it had the "new look" of "tiles", the colors were kind of stupid choices, the fonts were also stupid for the window titles and some other appearance stuff was to me a step backwards. About a month after the conversion I was given a newer more powerful computer and decided that since I was going to have to reset up everything on the new computer I would use my Win7 on it and get the nice looking windows back. So bottom line is that had I not been given the new computer I would have continued using Win8 and would have updated it to win10 without a doubt since Win10 is just win8 'fixed". If I bought a new computer I would get one with Win10 - the notion of getting a new computer with Win7 because "I hate MS, etc" seems silly to me since it's not the OS you are presumably buying a computer to run but the programs you add to it. Other then some appearance issues the OS is just the engine under the hood that you really shouldn't need to spend much time thinking about or obsessing over. |
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In message , Ashton Crusher
writes: [] I upgraded my Win7 setup to Win8. Didn't care for the Native interface but I got Start8 (I think but one of those "fixes") and that made it seem a lot like how 7 looked. Used it for about a month and thought it was OK and liked a few things better in it then in 7 but don't recall the specifics now. The main thing I did not like was how it "looked"... the blockiness of the windows.. it simply didn't have the elegant and refined look of Win7, instead it had the "new look" of "tiles", the colors were kind of stupid choices, the fonts were also (There's a setting in Classic Shell - which tends to be missed as it's at the bottom! - where you can turn off the Metro interface, so you never see the tiles. I don't know if StarDate has such a setting - I'd hope so, as it's not free [though cheap enough].) stupid for the window titles and some other appearance stuff was to me a step backwards. About a month after the conversion I was given a newer more powerful computer and decided that since I was going to have to reset up everything on the new computer I would use my Win7 on it and get the nice looking windows back. So bottom line is that had I not been given the new computer I would have continued using Win8 and would have updated it to win10 without a doubt since Win10 is just win8 'fixed". If I bought a new computer I would get one with Win10 - the notion of getting a new computer with Win7 because "I hate MS, etc" seems silly to me since it's not the OS you are presumably buying a computer to run but the programs you add to it. Other then some appearance issues the OS is just the engine under the hood that you really shouldn't need to spend much time thinking about or obsessing over. So, basically, you had 7, upgraded to 8, and were about to load 7 on a new computer because you preferred it to 8 - but would buy 10 if getting a new PC. So you're not really in a position to answer the question that quite a lot of us are wondering, which is basically "what does 10 give us over 7, other than being - obviously - newer and thus will be supported for longer?". As for the difference(s) we're "obsessing over", according to a lot here, they're a lot more than just "appearance issues" - apparently there are significant changes to how updates and privacy (ha!) are handled - at least by default, and possibly even if not. I cannot confirm from personal experience, not having experienced 10 (or even 8.1 for more than a weekend). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf when people say they're perfectly happy without children, we don't have to presume they're lying! - Paul Dolan, RT 2015/1/3-9 |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ashton Crusher writes: [] I upgraded my Win7 setup to Win8. Didn't care for the Native interface but I got Start8 (I think but one of those "fixes") and that made it seem a lot like how 7 looked. Used it for about a month and thought it was OK and liked a few things better in it then in 7 but don't recall the specifics now. The main thing I did not like was how it "looked"... the blockiness of the windows.. it simply didn't have the elegant and refined look of Win7, instead it had the "new look" of "tiles", the colors were kind of stupid choices, the fonts were also (There's a setting in Classic Shell - which tends to be missed as it's at the bottom! - where you can turn off the Metro interface, so you never see the tiles. I don't know if StarDate has such a setting - I'd hope so, as it's not free [though cheap enough].) stupid for the window titles and some other appearance stuff was to me a step backwards. About a month after the conversion I was given a newer more powerful computer and decided that since I was going to have to reset up everything on the new computer I would use my Win7 on it and get the nice looking windows back. So bottom line is that had I not been given the new computer I would have continued using Win8 and would have updated it to win10 without a doubt since Win10 is just win8 'fixed". If I bought a new computer I would get one with Win10 - the notion of getting a new computer with Win7 because "I hate MS, etc" seems silly to me since it's not the OS you are presumably buying a computer to run but the programs you add to it. Other then some appearance issues the OS is just the engine under the hood that you really shouldn't need to spend much time thinking about or obsessing over. So, basically, you had 7, upgraded to 8, and were about to load 7 on a new computer because you preferred it to 8 - but would buy 10 if getting a new PC. So you're not really in a position to answer the question that quite a lot of us are wondering, which is basically "what does 10 give us over 7, other than being - obviously - newer and thus will be supported for longer?". As for the difference(s) we're "obsessing over", according to a lot here, they're a lot more than just "appearance issues" - apparently there are significant changes to how updates and privacy (ha!) are handled - at least by default, and possibly even if not. I cannot confirm from personal experience, not having experienced 10 (or even 8.1 for more than a weekend). Also W10 won't run 16-bit programs, except under a VM with a separate Windows licence. That's a pretty serious shortcoming for me. -- Mike Barnes Cheshire, England |
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Mike Barnes wrote:
Also W10 won't run 16-bit programs, except under a VM with a separate Windows licence. That's a pretty serious shortcoming for me. So for those playing along at home, you're using Win10 x64 for the host OS, and Win10 x32 for the guest OS, as the x32 version would run 32 bit or 16 bit programs. You could always just install the 32 bit version of Win10 on the main OS. It's not such a big deal. The limit here, remains 4GB of address space when using the 32 bit version of the OS. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 Windows 10 Enterprise 4 GB 2TB Windows 10 Education 4 GB 2TB Windows 10 Pro 4 GB 2TB Windows 10 Home 4 GB 128GB Windows 8 Enterprise 4 GB 512 GB Windows 8 Professional 4 GB 512 GB Windows 8 4 GB 128 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB What they don't tell you there, is you can make a RAMDisk of the remaining RAM - the memory license applies to Ring 3. Drivers in Ring 0 are not subject to the limit. If you had 64GB of RAM installed, you could have 4GB for programs and 60GB for a RAMDisk. And just for the record, buying RAM to make a RAMDisk, is a mistake. However, if you have "RAM left over", it's a great way to use it up. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote: Also W10 won't run 16-bit programs, except under a VM with a separate Windows licence. That's a pretty serious shortcoming for me. So for those playing along at home, you're using Win10 x64 for the host OS, and Win10 x32 for the guest OS, as the x32 version would run 32 bit or 16 bit programs. The host OS is Win10 x64 but the guest OS in my case is actually Windows XP. Why XP? I had one to hand, and I like the retro feel. I might have used Win10 x32 as the guest if I knew I could have done so at no extra cost. You could always just install the 32 bit version of Win10 on the main OS. It's not such a big deal. Good point. I had it in my head that Windows 10 was 64-bit only, for the totally stupid reason that the only Win10 system I've used is 64-bit. Thanks for putting me straight. :-) The limit here, remains 4GB of address space when using the 32 bit version of the OS. That's OK, my PC usage is much more intensive and demanding than most people's but I've never felt the need for more than 4GB. -- Mike Barnes Cheshire, England |
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| Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64
| Windows 10 Enterprise 4 GB 2TB As you probably know, the 4 GB isn't quite that. In practice it's 3+. I've forgotten the actual number. In addition, graphics usually takes some RAM these days. My XP system only sees a little over 2 GB RAM, of a 4 GB stick. On the bright side, I do a fair amount of graphic editing and still find the RAM I've got to be plenty. RAM has become more overrated as the price has dropped, with many people thinking they need 16 GB to run a browser. But if someone does something like video editing an x64 machine would probably be a must. |
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"Mayayana" wrote:
| Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 | Windows 10 Enterprise 4 GB 2TB As you probably know, the 4 GB isn't quite that. In practice it's 3+. It's a 4GB address space, that has to be used to address not just RAM, but also video memory and several other things. Video RAM is the big one though. -- Tim Slattery tim at risingdove dot com |
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