Windows 7 SP1 Rollup Update

**Stan Brown** · May 19th 16, 12:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

On Tue, 17 May 2016 18:15:51 -0400, . . .winston wrote:
Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-upd=ates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

qp
This convenience rollup package, available to download from
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574,
contains all the security and non-security fixes released since the
release of Windows 7 SP1 that are suitable for general distribution, up
through April 2016. Install this one update, and then you only need new
updates released after April 2016.

FSVO "simplifying". Of course it will include the various Windows 10
foistware updates. No thanks!

--
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http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

**Stan Brown** · May 19th 16, 01:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:05:17 -0400, . . .winston wrote:
VanguardLH wrote on 05/18/2016 1:17 AM:
[quoted text muted]

Just Microsoft trying another tactic to install their non-security GWX
lureware, spyware (telemetry), and non-applicable updates (for software
that is NOT installed on your computer).

You really should look deeper to support your statements.

You really should stop shilling for Microsoft.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

**Stan Brown** · May 19th 16, 01:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:54:47 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Is KB3035538 a security or non-security update? Whichever it is,
*Microsoft* says it will be in the first all-encompassing rollup.

I thought in March, when the new broke of Windows 10 malware in a
Windows 7 "security fix", that Winston might shut up with his
relentless campaign of disinformation. I should have known better.
The latest facts are, I fear, no more likely to shut him up.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

**Paul** · May 19th 16, 02:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

.. . .winston wrote:

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-upd=ates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

qp
This convenience rollup package, available to download from
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574,
contains all the security and non-security fixes released since the
release of Windows 7 SP1 that are suitable for general distribution, up
through April 2016. Install this one update, and then you only need new
updates released after April 2016.

And since this update can be injected into Windows 7 SP1 media, itâ€™s
fully supported to mount a Windows 7 SP1 image (WIM file), then inject
this update into it. See
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd744559(v=ws.10).aspx for
the details of how to do this.
/qp

X86 is 316 MB
X64 is 477 MB

Technet article contains additional information on monthly rollups for
non-security updates.

How much good is a rollup, if it does this ?

"The update is not applicable to your computer"
http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

That was applied to a fresh install of...

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso

We won't have much to worry about, if it won't install.

Paul

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 03:20 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Stan Brown wrote on 05/18/2016 8:05 PM:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:54:47 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Is KB3035538 a security or non-security update? Whichever it is,
*Microsoft* says it will be in the first all-encompassing rollup.

I thought in March, when the new broke of Windows 10 malware in a
Windows 7 "security fix", that Winston might shut up with his
relentless campaign of disinformation. I should have known better.
The latest facts are, I fear, no more likely to shut him up.

Which Win10 malware was included in a Security Fix?

- you really should check your memory or sources before claiming another
falsehood.

In case you've short term memory loss or just plain forgot, the
conspiracy theory was that an ad for Win10 was included in the March
KB3139929 or its GDR KB3146449(i.e. non-security content in a security
patch)...with everyone trying to prove such a thing occured. Not a
single person on this planet has proven what they showed or read
elsewhere - not a single report was caused by either KB security update,
but just an ad pushed out by MSn(and if you haven't been paying
attention not the first time MSn's media portal sites have included a
Win10 banner).

This Rollup for Win7(this thread's discussion) is no different - no
consipracy theory, no GWX app, no 'Learn more about Win10 and upgrade'
option related KB installed is included in the Win7 Roll UP.

As noted in the initial post, the conspiracy theorist will show up
without any validation.
- You just joined that club!

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 03:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Stan Brown wrote on 05/18/2016 8:03 PM:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:05:17 -0400, . . .winston wrote:
VanguardLH wrote on 05/18/2016 1:17 AM:
[quoted text muted]

Just Microsoft trying another tactic to install their non-security GWX
lureware, spyware (telemetry), and non-applicable updates (for software
that is NOT installed on your computer).

You really should look deeper to support your statements.

You really should stop shilling for Microsoft.

Let me know when you can validate any of the conspiracy theory that the
Rollup includes the GWX or related content.

Feel free to state your point, but at least try at least once to
validate something before attempting to make a useless point.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 03:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Paul wrote on 05/18/2016 9:03 PM:
. . .winston wrote:

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-upd=ates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

qp
This convenience rollup package, available to download from
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574,
contains all the security and non-security fixes released since the
release of Windows 7 SP1 that are suitable for general distribution,
up through April 2016. Install this one update, and then you only
need new updates released after April 2016.

And since this update can be injected into Windows 7 SP1 media, itâ€™s
fully supported to mount a Windows 7 SP1 image (WIM file), then inject
this update into it. See
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd744559(v=ws.10).aspx
for the details of how to do this.
/qp

X86 is 316 MB
X64 is 477 MB

Technet article contains additional information on monthly rollups for
non-security updates.

How much good is a rollup, if it does this ?

"The update is not applicable to your computer"
http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

That was applied to a fresh install of...

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso

We won't have much to worry about, if it won't install.

Paul

Install the Servicing Stack Update prior to attempting to install the
Roll Up ?

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 03:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote on 05/18/2016 6:58 PM:
In message
winston writes:.

Security Updates and Non-security fixes (not non-Security updates)
3035583 and 3123862 are neither a security update or a non-security fix.

So how _are_ they described?
[]

Just an 'Update'
- doesn't resolve a security breach or fix anything cause by a prior
update or Windows issue.

3035583 is a app, doesn't fix a security breach or fix anything, just an
update, a very controversial one too, initial tagged as Optional, now a
Recommended 'update'.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

**Paul** · May 19th 16, 04:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

.. . .winston wrote:
Paul wrote on 05/18/2016 9:03 PM:
. . .winston wrote:

Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-upd=ates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

qp
This convenience rollup package, available to download from
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574,
contains all the security and non-security fixes released since the
release of Windows 7 SP1 that are suitable for general distribution,
up through April 2016. Install this one update, and then you only
need new updates released after April 2016.

And since this update can be injected into Windows 7 SP1 media, itâ€™s
fully supported to mount a Windows 7 SP1 image (WIM file), then inject
this update into it. See
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd744559(v=ws.10).aspx
for the details of how to do this.
/qp

X86 is 316 MB
X64 is 477 MB

Technet article contains additional information on monthly rollups for
non-security updates.

How much good is a rollup, if it does this ?

"The update is not applicable to your computer"
http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

That was applied to a fresh install of...

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso

We won't have much to worry about, if it won't install.

Paul

Install the Servicing Stack Update prior to attempting to install the
Roll Up ?

That's possible.

Maybe I'll set up another VM later and retest.

Paul

**Paul** · May 19th 16, 04:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Paul wrote:
. . .winston wrote:

How much good is a rollup, if it does this ?

"The update is not applicable to your computer"
http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

That was applied to a fresh install of...

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso

We won't have much to worry about, if it won't install.

Paul

Install the Servicing Stack Update prior to attempting to install the
Roll Up ?

That's possible.

Maybe I'll set up another VM later and retest.

Paul

Installing KB3020369 April 2015 Service Stack
(without a reboot afterwards) has allowed
rollup KB3125574 to start processing.

More news later.

Paul

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 05:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Paul wrote on 05/18/2016 11:44 PM:
Paul wrote:
. . .winston wrote:

How much good is a rollup, if it does this ?

"The update is not applicable to your computer"
http://s32.postimg.org/qruvjugxx/rollup.jpg

That was applied to a fresh install of...

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso

We won't have much to worry about, if it won't install.

Paul

Install the Servicing Stack Update prior to attempting to install the
Roll Up ?

That's possible.

Maybe I'll set up another VM later and retest.

Paul

Installing KB3020369 April 2015 Service Stack
(without a reboot afterwards) has allowed
rollup KB3125574 to start processing.

More news later.

Paul

Thought that might be the reason. I have had one other report on failure
when the Service Stack was not installed but with a different message
not allowing access(though that could, not entirely certain, be related
to a similar access issue I recall on Win7 when IE8 not IE11 is the
installed version).

For those reading along here's the KB for the Servicing Stack Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020369
which is a requirement(Pre-req)for the April Win7 Rollup.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

**Paul** · May 19th 16, 05:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

**. . .winston[_3_]** · May 19th 16, 05:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

**Char Jackson** · May 19th 16, 07:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:59:06 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2016 18:15:51 -0400, . . .winston wrote:
Simplifying updates for Windows 7 and 8.1

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-upd=ates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

qp
This convenience rollup package, available to download from
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574,
contains all the security and non-security fixes released since the
release of Windows 7 SP1 that are suitable for general distribution, up
through April 2016. Install this one update, and then you only need new
updates released after April 2016.

FSVO "simplifying". Of course it will include the various Windows 10
foistware updates. No thanks!

I installed the rollup on a VM copy of Win 7 Ultimate that was otherwise
reasonably up to date, minus the GWX stuff, thanks to GWX Control Panel.

After the installation of the rollup, which went without a hitch, GWX
Control Panel hadn't changed its status one bit. It still said there was no
sign of any GWX-related crap, and no WU settings had been changed. MS
*seems* to have done the right thing here, which seems odd after all of the
recent missteps.

**Paul** · May 19th 16, 07:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

.. . .winston wrote:

Probably a good idea to install IE11g after the Rollup
- sorry, should have mentioned that earlier
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...7-details.aspx

For the slowness with Win7 WU....two updates have proven to be helpful,
if not installed.

Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: March 2016
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3138612

Security update for Windows Kernel-Mode Drivers: May 10, 2016
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3153199

Install, in the order shown above(IE11, WU Client, Kernel update).

I tried IE11, plus the Cumulative Update, and the
delay is 84 minutes.

The point is, the rollup by itself, isn't making
Windows 7 reinstallation any easier. There is still
an 84 minute delay.

What's the difference between

rollup
84 minute delay
Review a smaller number of updates

versus

84 minute delay
review all updates

It's still freaking annoying. The installation time is
shorter - the rollup method is faster than slogging
through updates one at a time. But the 84 minute delay
fouls up any idea of a workflow for anyone doing this.

I've run a whole set of test cases, to reduce the WU
time delay, and the only thing that works, is to install
all the updates. At some point, I had to stop installing
"interesting" ones, one at a time, to narrow down which
provided the best leverage. Using intuition, and selecting
interesting ones, got me from 80 minutes to 50 minutes.
I'm not really interested in repeating that exercise,
even in the name of science.

And yes, as part of the "interesting" ones, I installed
*all* the WU related ones. I expect 612 was in that lot.

And the win32 kernel driver - no difference.

If you use Process Explorer and take a stack snapshot
of the errant process, you always find it waiting
on the same semiphore. But that could be perfectly normal,
so I can't declare "aha!" based on seeing that. If it was
deadlocked, it would never come back. But it always
seems to come back.

Paul

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