Stop 10 contacting "home".

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into every
new version of their OS?

Perce

On 23 Dec 2015, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into
every new version of their OS?

What maked you think he doesn't want bugs fixed? He never said that -
you made that up yourself.

IOW, you're lying.

In article ,
says...

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into every
new version of their OS?

Perce

No where did I even imply that unless just asking did.

I'm more or less curious why no outgoing firewall is ever suggested as a
means of stopping 10 from "phoning home".

That said, I have a few pcs here all running Win 7. I have no desire to
change my relationship with MS to someone subserviant to their demands
so can't see any of them being updated. The "free" is only in relation
to money, the "cost" is something more valuable to me.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:33:06 -0400
pjp wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything
about using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10
automatically updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago
(think it was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any
unwanted incoming connections but could also block any outgoing
connections I didn't specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to
anything to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into
every new version of their OS?

Perce

No where did I even imply that unless just asking did.

I'm more or less curious why no outgoing firewall is ever suggested
as a means of stopping 10 from "phoning home".

That said, I have a few pcs here all running Win 7. I have no desire
to change my relationship with MS to someone subserviant to their
demands so can't see any of them being updated. The "free" is only in
relation to money, the "cost" is something more valuable to me.

I no longer use Windows 10 or any Microsoft products, but when I did, I
had Windows 10 behind McAfee's firewall, and had it set to ask me what
to allow access to the Internet. I only allowed Firefox, and my Email
client and newsreader.

After a while, Windows 10 popped up a message asking if I would like to
connect to the Internet, so I guess the firewall worked.

pjp wrote:


I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Good question.
I have ZA 9.2.102 (IMO, the last good ZA) on my w7 and XP machines.
It's amazing that nearly every executable tries to phone home.
For example, why does Notepad need to contact Microsoft?
I've blocked about 98% of the files from sending.
And, No, there is no mal-stuff on my machines.

On 2015-12-23 15:00, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

http://winaero.com/blog/stop-windows...dows-firewall/

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

It's still an option.

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In article ,
pjp wrote:


I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

Microsoft would just disable it, the same way they disable AV software
and other 3rd party products.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

I plan to track what IP addresses at Microsoft are receiving the
Telemetry and create route commands diverting the packets before they
get out of the system.


Gary

On 23.12.15 21:33, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into every
new version of their OS?

Perce

No where did I even imply that unless just asking did.

I'm more or less curious why no outgoing firewall is ever suggested as a
means of stopping 10 from "phoning home".

That said, I have a few pcs here all running Win 7. I have no desire to
change my relationship with MS to someone subserviant to their demands
so can't see any of them being updated. The "free" is only in relation
to money, the "cost" is something more valuable to me.

Unless your firewall is in another computer not made by
M$, they just walk around it or through it.
They wrote the operating system, you know.
They and the NSA know all about it.

In article ,
says...

On 23.12.15 21:33, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into every
new version of their OS?

Perce

No where did I even imply that unless just asking did.

I'm more or less curious why no outgoing firewall is ever suggested as a
means of stopping 10 from "phoning home".

That said, I have a few pcs here all running Win 7. I have no desire to
change my relationship with MS to someone subserviant to their demands
so can't see any of them being updated. The "free" is only in relation
to money, the "cost" is something more valuable to me.

Unless your firewall is in another computer not made by
M$, they just walk around it or through it.
They wrote the operating system, you know.
They and the NSA know all about it.

That implies that if one choose to they could setup a Linux pc as a
proxy server and only allow the Windows 10 pc to connect thru that pc.
Someone more knowledgable about Linux and it's setup would know but I
assume that'd be pretty straightforward given I did the same in old days
when only had a modem connection so I could share the connection. I'm
ignorant of Linux except for the basics as I've only run it in a VM
occasionally.

In article ,
pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 23.12.15 21:33, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/23/2015 03:00 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

[ ... ]

Unless your firewall is in another computer not made by
M$, they just walk around it or through it.
They wrote the operating system, you know.
They and the NSA know all about it.

That implies that if one choose to they could setup a Linux pc as a
proxy server and only allow the Windows 10 pc to connect thru that pc.
Someone more knowledgable about Linux and it's setup would know but I
assume that'd be pretty straightforward given I did the same in old days
when only had a modem connection so I could share the connection. I'm
ignorant of Linux except for the basics as I've only run it in a VM
occasionally.

There are several FreeBSD/OpenBSD prebuilt firewalls available which you
can run on an old PC and not have to worry about Microsoft backdoors.

(FreeBSD/OpenBSD are based upon the Berkley Standard Distribution of
Unix, and is quite a bit different from Linux.)

A quick search for "bsd firewall on cd" turned up several links,
including these:

http://www.acme.com/firewall.html

http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7168/1

http://fsckin.com/2007/11/14/7-diffe...alls-reviewed/

Take your pick.

Gary

On 12/23/2015 02:05 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

[snip]

Why do you not want Microsoft to fix the bugs they introduce into every
new version of their OS?

Perce


MS delays release of Windows 11 to fix previous OS. Code works, but not
enough bugs.

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for 1 day).

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Luther]

On 12/23/2015 3:09 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
pjp wrote:


I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Good question.
I have ZA 9.2.102 (IMO, the last good ZA) on my w7 and XP machines.
It's amazing that nearly every executable tries to phone home.
For example, why does Notepad need to contact Microsoft?
I've blocked about 98% of the files from sending.
And, No, there is no mal-stuff on my machines.

Why do you think v9.2.102 is better than the current version? I'm going
to install a firewall and am just starting to look at what's available.
Also is that a free or paid version?

TIA,
Mike

Mike S wrote:
On 12/23/2015 3:09 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
pjp wrote:


I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Good question.
I have ZA 9.2.102 (IMO, the last good ZA) on my w7 and XP machines.
It's amazing that nearly every executable tries to phone home.
For example, why does Notepad need to contact Microsoft?
I've blocked about 98% of the files from sending.
And, No, there is no mal-stuff on my machines.

Why do you think v9.2.102 is better than the current version? I'm going to install a
firewall and am just starting to look at what's available. Also is that a free or paid
version?

TIA,
Mike

ZA 9.2.102 was the last version to have the task bar icon that shows traffic.
It is the free version. I find the icon invaluable and cannot do without it.
Traffic doing weird things?, just click the icon and block the network.
I asked ZA about the icon and their answer was, "it is not necessary".
They may be right since most people are computer illiterate and a flashing icon
would be confusing to them.
I've tried most of the versions up to the latest one. Pretty much the same
as 9.2 except for the bloat, unnecessary stuff, requires .NET 3.5,
and wanting to constantly call home. I have no use for the paid Pro versions.
Don't need or want any of it. Pro is probably good for someone that is not
computer literate though.
Still, with all of the current free version's faults it's the best FW that I have found.
I check and try several every few months always looking for a better one.

On 12/24/2015 4:29 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Mike S wrote:
On 12/23/2015 3:09 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
pjp wrote:


I'm a little confused. No where have I seen mentioned anything about
using an outgoing firewall product to stop Windows 10 automatically
updating.

I seem to remember at least one product I used some time ago (think it
was called Zone Alarm) that not only stopped any unwanted incoming
connections but could also block any outgoing connections I didn't
specifically allow.

Seems to me one could simply block any outgoing connections to anything
to do with MS would work. Is that no longer an option?

Good question.
I have ZA 9.2.102 (IMO, the last good ZA) on my w7 and XP machines.
It's amazing that nearly every executable tries to phone home.
For example, why does Notepad need to contact Microsoft?
I've blocked about 98% of the files from sending.
And, No, there is no mal-stuff on my machines.

Why do you think v9.2.102 is better than the current version? I'm
going to install a
firewall and am just starting to look at what's available. Also is
that a free or paid
version?

TIA,
Mike

ZA 9.2.102 was the last version to have the task bar icon that shows
traffic.
It is the free version. I find the icon invaluable and cannot do
without it.
Traffic doing weird things?, just click the icon and block the network.
I asked ZA about the icon and their answer was, "it is not necessary".
They may be right since most people are computer illiterate and a
flashing icon
would be confusing to them.
I've tried most of the versions up to the latest one. Pretty much the same
as 9.2 except for the bloat, unnecessary stuff, requires .NET 3.5,
and wanting to constantly call home. I have no use for the paid Pro
versions.
Don't need or want any of it. Pro is probably good for someone that is not
computer literate though.
Still, with all of the current free version's faults it's the best FW
that I have found.
I check and try several every few months always looking for a better one.

Thanks for your thoughts! I installed it, very easy to work with.
Best Regards,
Mike