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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
My daughter called me about this yesterday.
She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
Boris wrote:
My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. You have to get a response from the hardware, before any tools are going to work. You can open Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) and see if a new entry is present there. You can use USBTreeView to spot a change in USB when the device is plugged in. https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html The SATA device has to have power delivered via the SATA 15p plug, for it to work. You need to plug in the AC adapter, and use the SATA power plug from the adapter. A new entry should show up. For example, you might see an entry with a VID/PID, yet it forms no "endpoints". If the USB won't set up a communications path (because the USB chip is defective), then USBTreeView will have an entry (with no "endpoints" listed), but Device Manager (or Disk Management) won't have an entry. I've had a case where the external adapter firmware got erased (by the usage of SeaTools), and I had to reload the firmware before it worked properly as an enclosure again. The drive must successfully spin up, before the USB enclosure chip will tell anyone about it. If the USB chip can get a "drive ID" from the thing, that's where it should start to come alive. If the drive is not responding to commands from the USB chip, then you won't be able to see the drive on the USB side either. Paul |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-06-28 17:45, Boris wrote: My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. It looks like she'll have to connect the drive via USB. So you need a SATA to USB adapter, or an external HDD case with USB. The latter would be useful since it would make the old HDD an external drive, which is always handy. See this article (not done it myself, so can't advise you further): https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to...image-3369574/ Good luck, But that's what Boris showed in a link. This is the converter already tried. https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt.../dp/B002OV1VJW Checking Disk Management or Device Manager might show some evidence it's being seen. If the drive didn't have power, that would exhibit the same symptoms. The power cable might not be plugged in. Since those adapters sometimes fail (usually the wall adapter), testing with an "expendable" Windows drive to see if it still appears, would prove the hardware works. Paul |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
Boris wrote:
My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. Does her current computer have a spare SATA port on the mobo, or a data-only drive attached that can be temporarily disconnected and used with the Mac drive? Instead of using USB which requires Windows to be loaded so afterward the USB devices can be detected and mounted, just connect the SATA MAC drive to a SATA port on the Windows computer. Does the current computer have an eSATA port? When the computer boots, and BEFORE any operating system loads, the POST screen should show what devices are detected, like the mass storage devices (hard disks) on the SATA ports, optical drives, etc. At that point in the POST, no OS is loaded yet so it doesn't matter how the drive was partitioned or those partitions formatted. The idea is to see if the bare drive regardless of what has been recorded on it can be recognized by the computer. If detected, it should in the POST screen. If not detected, the OS won't find it, either. Check the computer can find the hardware interface to the migrated drive. If the computer's BIOS/UEFI doesn't list the SATA hard disk in its POST screen, the OS won't see it, too. The hardware has to be working before the OS can find any logical structures recorded on the drive. Using USB means the drive cannot be found by the hardware until after the OS loads and the USB driver(s) get loaded. That just compounds determining if the migrated drive's basic hardware is even usable. |
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On 6/28/2018 5:45 PM, Boris wrote:
My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one It's possible that it was the hard drive itself that died, rather than the motherboard. You can't expect a "Genius" to know that, obviously. ;-) Yousuf Khan |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
Paul wrote:
But that's what Boris showed in a link. This is the converter already tried. https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt.../dp/B002OV1VJW Checking Disk Management or Device Manager might show some evidence it's being seen. If the drive didn't have power, that would exhibit the same symptoms. The power cable might not be plugged in. Since those adapters sometimes fail (usually the wall adapter), testing with an "expendable" Windows drive to see if it still appears, would prove the hardware works. Wow, that almost look like Vantec's I am using. -- Quote of the Week: "It's them!... Not THEM, the giant ants?!" --Girl and Crow Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
In message , VanguardLH
writes: [] When the computer boots, and BEFORE any operating system loads, the POST screen should show what devices are detected, like the mass storage devices (hard disks) on the SATA ports, optical drives, etc. At that point in the POST, no OS is loaded yet so it doesn't matter how the drive was partitioned or those partitions formatted. The idea is to see if the bare drive regardless of what has been recorded on it can be recognized by the computer. If detected, it should in the POST screen. If not detected, the OS won't find it, either. [] Some mobos have a splash screen that obscures the POST device-enumeration list. Often there's a message such as "Press ... to bypass splash screen", and there's usually a BIOS setting to turn it off altogether, but in my (limited) experience, mobos that can show such a splash graphic screen usually have it _on_ by default. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Of course, this show - like every other cop show on earth - massively overstates the prevalence of violent crime: last year, in the whole of the UK, police fired their weapons just three times. And there were precisely zero fatalities. - Vincent Graff in RT, 2014/11/8-14 |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
VanguardLH WROTE: When the computer boots, and BEFORE any operating system loads, the POST screen should show what devices are detected, like the mass storage devices (hard disks) on the SATA ports, optical drives, etc. At that point in the POST, no OS is loaded yet so it doesn't matter how the drive was partitioned or those partitions formatted. The idea is to see if the bare drive regardless of what has been recorded on it can be recognized by the computer. If detected, it should in the POST screen. If not detected, the OS won't find it, either. Some mobos have a splash screen that obscures the POST device-enumeration list. Often there's a message such as "Press ... to bypass splash screen", and there's usually a BIOS setting to turn it off altogether, but in my (limited) experience, mobos that can show such a splash graphic screen usually have it _on_ by default. But, at least, even with the adware banner or screen, if you can read it then the video card and monitor are working using their basic config. If either the POST or adware screen is readable, I'd then boot into Windows' safe mode and make sure the video card wasn't set to use some resolution outside the ability of the monitor. Changing resolution is something you do inside of Windows. I'm assuming the OP has an LCD/LED monitor. If he has an old CRT monitor, it is possible that using the resizing controls either on the monitor or in Windows can push the frequency past what the monitor can handle. |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
Ant wrote:
Paul wrote: But that's what Boris showed in a link. This is the converter already tried. https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt.../dp/B002OV1VJW Checking Disk Management or Device Manager might show some evidence it's being seen. If the drive didn't have power, that would exhibit the same symptoms. The power cable might not be plugged in. Since those adapters sometimes fail (usually the wall adapter), testing with an "expendable" Windows drive to see if it still appears, would prove the hardware works. Wow, that almost look like Vantec's I am using. Years ago, there was an "epidemic" of cheap USB to three-drive-flavor adapters, where the power adapter was just plain bad. The responsible companies eventually figured out this was bad for business (blowing up customer drives and such). I've not seen a bad 12V adapter here (yet). There was a time, probably close to 20 years ago, when drive enclosures used a four pin power connector (circular DIN). Somebody decided it was more fun to do a 12V only adapter (barrel connector), then have the controller board in the enclosure convert the 12V to 5V. I don't know which scheme is more dangerous. Fortunately, in 2018, the controller board in the enclosure uses a switcher rather than a linear regulator (7805 etc) for the 5V output. It could be a "buck" converter (as a buck doesn't do isolation, and isolation isn't needed for DC to DC cases like this one). Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Years ago, there was an "epidemic" of cheap USB to three-drive-flavor adapters, where the power adapter was just plain bad. The responsible companies eventually figured out this was bad for business (blowing up customer drives and such). I've not seen a bad 12V adapter here (yet). There was a time, probably close to 20 years ago, when drive enclosures used a four pin power connector (circular DIN). Somebody decided it was more fun to do a 12V only adapter (barrel connector), then have the controller board in the enclosure convert the 12V to 5V. I don't know which scheme is more dangerous. Fortunately, in 2018, the controller board in the enclosure uses a switcher rather than a linear regulator (7805 etc) for the 5V output. It could be a "buck" converter (as a buck doesn't do isolation, and isolation isn't needed for DC to DC cases like this one). How does one know which brands are good and bad? The reviews and ratings like on Amazon? -- Quote of the Week: "It's them!... Not THEM, the giant ants?!" --Girl and Crow Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Ant wrote:
Paul wrote: Years ago, there was an "epidemic" of cheap USB to three-drive-flavor adapters, where the power adapter was just plain bad. The responsible companies eventually figured out this was bad for business (blowing up customer drives and such). I've not seen a bad 12V adapter here (yet). There was a time, probably close to 20 years ago, when drive enclosures used a four pin power connector (circular DIN). Somebody decided it was more fun to do a 12V only adapter (barrel connector), then have the controller board in the enclosure convert the 12V to 5V. I don't know which scheme is more dangerous. Fortunately, in 2018, the controller board in the enclosure uses a switcher rather than a linear regulator (7805 etc) for the 5V output. It could be a "buck" converter (as a buck doesn't do isolation, and isolation isn't needed for DC to DC cases like this one). How does one know which brands are good and bad? The reviews and ratings like on Amazon? The reviews on both Amazon and Newegg are degraded by mixing up reviews from different things. Some care is required, to collect review data for a particular item. I don't think there's a problem in 2018, but there was wide-spread dissatisfaction years ago, due to the wall adapters being poorly made. It might have been the "bad cap" era, but I think there was more to it than that. Too many corners were being cut. Nobody with the bad adapters was sawing them open for a look. So we have no data. Paul |
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Reading Apple Files with a Windows Machine?
On 6/28/2018 5:45 PM, Boris wrote:
My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. It's been ages since I did this. Live Linux boot with HD attached. Copy files. I remember it only grabbed common types of files ie. doc, jpg, pdf, etc. I'll look into my archived notes... |
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On 6/29/2018 11:05 PM, fnot wrote:
On 6/28/2018 5:45 PM, Boris wrote: My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard.Â* Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing.Â* It was like it was not plugged in.Â* She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013.Â* It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive.Â* It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA.Â* She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop.Â* The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen.Â* According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer.Â* She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow).Â* But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. It's been ages since I did this. Live Linux boot with HD attached. Copy files. I remember it only grabbed common types of files ie. doc, jpg, pdf, etc. I'll look into my archived notes... Looks like you're on the right track. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-ways...drive-windows/ |
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Mike S wrote:
On 6/29/2018 11:05 PM, fnot wrote: On 6/28/2018 5:45 PM, Boris wrote: My daughter called me about this yesterday. She has a 2009-2010 iMac running Snow Leopard. Well, it was running, but about five years ago, the thing would not fire up, nothing, no sound of a spinning hard drive, no video on monitor, nothing. It was like it was not plugged in. She took it to the Apple geniuses, who told her her the motherboard must be dead, so she put it on the shelf circa 2013. It was out of warranty. She now wants to get some files, mostly pics/videos, from the hard drive. With the help of google, she managed to remove the hard drive. It's a 2.5" 500GB Seagate SATA. She connected it to my adapter/converter cable, similar to this one https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Adapt...erter-Optical- External/dp/B002OV1VJW and to her Win10 HP laptop. The drive spun up, but nothing popped up on her screen. According to this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/252111/how...ed-drive-on-a- windows-pc/ she was expecting to get something like do you want to format this drive? She also tried connecting to a Win7 machine, but no luck there, either. She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. She is going to wait until I can help (tomorrow). But, if we are able to access the Apple hard drive, can we move files to a Windows PC, and also open them? Thanks. It's been ages since I did this. Live Linux boot with HD attached. Copy files. I remember it only grabbed common types of files ie. doc, jpg, pdf, etc. I'll look into my archived notes... Looks like you're on the right track. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-ways...drive-windows/ The first step, is deciding whether it's HFS+ or APFS. The file system layout of APFS has a couple text strings. https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ication_detail NXSB APSB I'd start with a hex editor such as HxD and check it out. HxD has a "raw disk" menu item for jobs like this (when it is run as Administrator). HxD can search for text strings at 600MB/sec (if the disk can keep up). https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/ Or "disktype" is a good utility, but a nuisance to get ahold of. (The one I use is a Cygwin version, an EXE and two DLLs.) On the older disks, the nineth partition is typically "Macintosh HD". And "disktype" can tell you that. Before "disktype" came along, I had to try them one at a time until I found it. Paul |
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Boris wrote:
[...] [N.B. Others have already commented on the need for the Windows system to 'see' the disk at all, i.e. as a disk, not (yet) the filesystem(s) on the disk, so I'll skip that.] She has not yet installed HFS+/HFSExplorer. In a similar situation - also a daughter :-) - I (successfully) used 'Paragon HFS+ for Windows': https://www.paragon-software.com/home/hfs-windows/# 'Paragon HFS+ for Windows' is payware, but has a free 10-day trial, which should be enough. Paragon has also a product for APFS filesystems (see Paul's responses). According to my notes, I had more luck with 'Paragon HFS+ for Windows' than with 'HFSExplorer' (http://www.catacombae.org/hfsexplorer). 'HFSExplorer' is more limited/basic than 'Paragon HFS+ for Windows', but it might be enough for your situation. Good luck with your recovery efforts. |
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