8 - 8.1 UGH!!

I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option. Kinda hidden!!!! But check on google. On local account,
the store does not work, and if you use any metro apps that are MS, they
fail.


I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1

Big Al said on 3/18/2014 5:14 PM:

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option. Kinda hidden!!!! But check on google. On local account,
the store does not work, and if you use any metro apps that are MS, they
fail.


I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1

This seems to be even easier!
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-...local-account/

On 3/18/2014 5:14 PM, Big Al wrote:

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option.

That's during setup, or does it work afterwaards?

I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1

I guess I could make an image of how it is before I turn it over to him,
but then I won't have a "return to factory condition" option.

On 3/18/2014 5:16 PM, Big Al wrote:

Big Al said on 3/18/2014 5:14 PM:

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option. Kinda hidden!!!! But check on google. On local account,
the store does not work, and if you use any metro apps that are MS, they
fail.


I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1

This seems to be even easier!
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-...local-account/


And it doesn't give me a second account!! Thanks.

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:26 PM:
On 3/18/2014 5:16 PM, Big Al wrote:

Big Al said on 3/18/2014 5:14 PM:

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade
seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run
-- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able
subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much
and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option. Kinda hidden!!!! But check on google. On local account,
the store does not work, and if you use any metro apps that are MS, they
fail.


I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1

This seems to be even easier!
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-...local-account/



And it doesn't give me a second account!! Thanks.
Yes, great side effect. I only have one user account but I've been
back and forth, and I've stuck with MS account only since it makes life
easier. I'm lazy.

I have an android tablet, so there I'm stuck with Google accounts.
Can't win!

On 18/03/2014 21:08, Alek Trishan wrote:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!


Login with that Windows live account and then go to:

Control Panel User Accounts Manage Accounts

You can then detach the account from Microsoft's account. It might ask
you to login with the Administrator password, so do it. You should be
able to change it from online account to local account.

I have been there and never again create a remote account because you
can'y be online all the time but you need to use your computer.

Good luck.

In b.com,
Big Al typed:
I have an android tablet, so there I'm stuck with Google accounts.
Can't win!

Why? I also have two Android tablets and I can use
the Groundhog Usenet reader.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:08:00 -0400, Alek Trishan wrote:

I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account...

Easy:
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/

On 3/18/2014 5:14 PM, Big Al wrote:

Alek Trishan said on 3/18/2014 5:08 PM:
I just upgraded (hah!) my stepson's new Dell laptop from Win 8 to Win
8.1. I had set up a local account for him under 8, but the upgrade seems
to have been almost a complete reinstall of the OS!

First of all, it required a LIVE account login during the setup run -- I
could not find a way to have a local account. I was able subsequently to
create a local account as a second account, but when I restart, it goes
to the LIVE account login! I have to click the back-arrow symbol to get
the screen where all accounts are shown. Is there a way to get to that
screen without that intermediate step?

Also, Dell popped up a screen about upgrading to Dell Backup and
Recovery Premium for $40! It seems that regular DBAR doesn't do much and
premium has some incompatibilities!

"Customers will not be able to restore from the local Windows 8 factory
image."
"Customers will not be able to restore from a Windows 8 System Backup."

I wonder what else I will find!

There are ways to get around that hotmail account thing, I can't give
you a link but it involves pulling the plug on internet, wired and
wireless, and then it fails to connect and gives you the local account
option. Kinda hidden!!!! But check on google. On local account,
the store does not work, and if you use any metro apps that are MS, they
fail.


I gotta Dell, but luckily I don't use DBAR, and the image I have is a
win7 maybe, since that's what it came with, and I forced the upgrade to
8 then 8.1


Two things One Windows 8 is like all previous version of Windows. If
the disk crashes you have to rebuild the disk, restore the OS, and add
all of the updates, including 8.1


As for the accounts things, it is my understanding you have to use the
MS account to obtain items from the MS Store (which now includes
updates), some Metro apps think they need access to the MS account, but
if you turn off the internet when you are using the program it works OK
The only Metro programs I use is couple of games so I have limited
experience. I also have the computer booting directly to the Desktop
and use the MS Icon on the desktop for all of my system accesses/

On 3/18/2014 6:42 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Two things One Windows 8 is like all previous version of Windows. If
the disk crashes you have to rebuild the disk, restore the OS, and add
all of the updates, including 8.1

There's the rub! This machine has (1) no recovery partition and (2) no
optical media. So I used DBAR to create a recovery flash drive (bootable
only by literate computer users because of UEFI and Secure Boot).

I don't know what will happen if I actually have to recover using that
drive!

As for the accounts things, it is my understanding you have to use the
MS account to obtain items from the MS Store (which now includes
updates),

Windows updates are available only if you're using an MS account?

some Metro apps think they need access to the MS account, but
if you turn off the internet when you are using the program it works OK

The only Metro programs I use is couple of games so I have limited
experience. I also have the computer booting directly to the Desktop
and use the MS Icon on the desktop for all of my system accesses/

I'm using Classic Shell Menu (or whatever it's called) to save my
computer-illiterate stepson from having to learn anything new. :-)

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 19:28:37 -0400, Alek Trishan
wrote:

On 3/18/2014 6:42 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Two things One Windows 8 is like all previous version of Windows. If
the disk crashes you have to rebuild the disk, restore the OS, and add
all of the updates, including 8.1

There's the rub! This machine has (1) no recovery partition and (2) no
optical media. So I used DBAR to create a recovery flash drive (bootable
only by literate computer users because of UEFI and Secure Boot).

I don't know what will happen if I actually have to recover using that
drive!

I highly recommend crossing that bridge now, rather than later. If you're
not able to recover the system, this is a better time to find out than
waiting until you have a real emergency.

BillW50 said on 3/18/2014 6:03 PM:
In b.com,
Big Al typed:
I have an android tablet, so there I'm stuck with Google accounts.
Can't win!

Why? I also have two Android tablets and I can use
the Groundhog Usenet reader.


I'm just talking about store stuff, but thanks for the Groundhog thing.
I've been looking for a usenet reader.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 19:28:37 -0400, Alek Trishan wrote:

As for the accounts things, it is my understanding you have to use the
MS account to obtain items from the MS Store (which now includes
updates),

Windows updates are available only if you're using an MS account?

Pure nonsense.

On 3/18/2014 9:27 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 19:28:37 -0400, Alek Trishan
wrote:

On 3/18/2014 6:42 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Two things One Windows 8 is like all previous version of Windows. If
the disk crashes you have to rebuild the disk, restore the OS, and add
all of the updates, including 8.1

There's the rub! This machine has (1) no recovery partition and (2) no
optical media. So I used DBAR to create a recovery flash drive (bootable
only by literate computer users because of UEFI and Secure Boot).

I don't know what will happen if I actually have to recover using that
drive!

I highly recommend crossing that bridge now, rather than later. If you're
not able to recover the system, this is a better time to find out than
waiting until you have a real emergency.

I can't face re-doing all the work I did in configuring that machine for
my stepson! Maybe I'll see if 8.1 has DBAR and then make another flash
drive.