Virtual Machines Rock !

Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

On 2/10/2019 11:42 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

Don't know what you want to accomplish, but where would you plug
an IDE drive on a SATA only machine, software notwithstanding?
There are SATA/IDE hardware adapters. Don't remember whether I
ever tried to boot from one.
It is possible to boot from an IDE drive in an external USB box.

Mike wrote:
On 2/10/2019 11:42 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

Don't know what you want to accomplish, but where would you plug
an IDE drive on a SATA only machine, software notwithstanding?
There are SATA/IDE hardware adapters. Don't remember whether I
ever tried to boot from one.
It is possible to boot from an IDE drive in an external USB box.

I've tried all of those plus bios settings. My GA-7 Gamer won't allow
booting from XP or IDE via adaptors or USB. I have several of each.
My last XP machine burned out its mother board last year and I've
ordered a FoxConn replacement MB with both IDE and SATA plugs.

On 2/10/2019 12:31 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 2/10/2019 11:42 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

IIRC, VB3 and VB4.5 are interpreted. VB5 is compiled. Maybe that's the
issue. Missing pieces of the interpreter.
IF so, may be easier to port to VB5 than VB6. Don't remember if VB5 still
required 16-bit support to run.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

Don't know what you want to accomplish, but where would you plug
an IDE drive on a SATA only machine, software notwithstanding?
There are SATA/IDE hardware adapters. Don't remember whether I
ever tried to boot from one.
It is possible to boot from an IDE drive in an external USB box.

I've tried all of those plus bios settings.Â* My GA-7 Gamer won't allow
booting from XP or IDE via adaptors or USB. I have several of each.
My last XP machine burned out its mother board last year and I've
ordered a FoxConn replacement MB with both IDE and SATA plugs.


I don't have any new motherboards or EFI stuff.
Don't know what restrictions they have implemented.

I am booting win7 32-bit from USB in legacy BIOS mode. I use it
for stuff like taxes that I don't want to have access from/to the internet.

Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 2/10/2019 11:42 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.

Don't know what you want to accomplish, but where would you plug
an IDE drive on a SATA only machine, software notwithstanding?
There are SATA/IDE hardware adapters. Don't remember whether I
ever tried to boot from one.
It is possible to boot from an IDE drive in an external USB box.

I've tried all of those plus bios settings. My GA-7 Gamer won't allow
booting from XP or IDE via adaptors or USB. I have several of each.
My last XP machine burned out its mother board last year and I've
ordered a FoxConn replacement MB with both IDE and SATA plugs.



So you've tried one of these then ?

"SYBA SD-ADA50016 SATA II to IDE ATA133 Bi-directional Adapter"

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16812186078

Some of the chips used are bidirectional designs. You use only
one of the SATA connectors on one of those, at a time.

It's probably the same as this one. Note that the previous
advert lies, in that it says the adapter is SATA II, whereas
the era chips like this were made in, would be a SATA I era.

https://www.startech.com/HDD/Adapter...ter~PATA2SATA3

Chipset ID SunplusIT - SPIF223A
Type and Rate SATA I (1.5 Gbps)

The adapter is female. Both motherboards and drives are male.
With this type of adapter, you can't do "two drives off an
IDE motherboard" since the adapter plugs right into the
motherboard and prevents a second SATA from being used.

Some adapters plug into ribbon cables, which allows using
two adapters and two drives, off a common cable, one
as Master, one as Slave. Not relevant to your interest
in running a single IDE hard drive (jumpered Master) off
a SATA port. The bidirectional adapter should not have
limitations when used to run IDE drives off a SATA motherboard.

Some adapters have a "Master/Slave" jumper on the adapter
controller board. That's for when you want to run two SATA
drives off one IDE cable for example. I have one of those,
my only adapter, is the opposite direction of the one
you're looking for.

The motherboard should really be transparent to the adapter.
And there's a reason for this. The first generation of SATA
drives were "bridged" and had a 100MB/sec cap caused by the
usage of... you guessed it, one of those adapter chips
right on the surface of the disk controller PCB. Motherboards
had to treat those "bodged, new SATA tech" drives as if
they were SATA, even though internally they were IDE with
a bridge chip to make them SATA. The very next generation
of SATA drives got native interfaces and the bridge chip
was no longer needed. I think I have at least one drive here,
that might be a bridged one to make SATA output. The HDTune
benchmark for such drives, is "clipped" to 100MB/sec for
the first 20% of the drive capacity. That's how you can detect
bridging.

Paul

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:42:44 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
wrote:

wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

Wish it would allow running an IDE drive on a SATA only machine.



Buy an IDE adapter card. They start around $25 on Amazon.com.

Alternatively buy an USB IDE enclosure for external drives and mount
the IDE drive in it. They start around $20.

In article ,
says...

Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

On 2/10/2019 3:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

Can't tell your definition of 'properly', but there are several network
options in Virutalbox.

VMs do rock. I use it for work and personal tasks. It's nice to test
stuff without messing with my real machines.
--
Happy Chinese New Year (Earth Pig)! Oink! Return of The Worker Ant soon?
Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
/\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org /
/ /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
| |o o| |
\ _ /
( )

Also, which VM program? VMware? VirtualBox?

wrote:
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

--
Happy Chinese New Year (Earth Pig)! Oink! Return of The Worker Ant soon?
Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
/\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org /
/ /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
| |o o| |
\ _ /
( )

pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...
Got 16 bit stuff ?

Create a virtual machine running an older version of Windows
( e.g. XP ) in memory. See Oracle VirtualBox. Very easy, handy and
quick.

I've got 28 great apps written in QuickBasic v4.5, and 14 in Windows
Visual Basic v3 .

I know there is a provision for running things in a compatibility mode
for older versions of Windows, but I could never get it to work.

In the virtual machine I have a desktop with 42 icons. Comes right up
and all apps work great.

Would be nice to have an app to convert all to VB6 which I use
extensively for all ny contenporary stuff.

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no USB
means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to use the
network card properly and I gave up in frustation and deleted it also.

Yeah, it's called a learning curve.

Initially I was running VirtualBox with the "NAT" default,
but my favorite option is Bridged Adapter. Note that finding
the right driver for the Guest, can be a challenge some times,
like if you're running WinXP or older, as a Guest.

https://i.postimg.cc/W1gdN9CC/Virtual-Box-Network.gif

VirtualBox is a bitch with regard to storage containers and
"moving stuff around". It will make all sorts of extra work
for you. Whereas VirtualPC lets the user mix and match
bits and pieces of storage, without getting in the way
all the time.

VirtualBox has stopped upgrading for WinXP. If using WinXP
as a Host, grab a copy of 5.2.22 and associated materials for
a rainy day. Newer Host OSes can use the 6.x stream.

Paul

In article , (Mike) wrote:

IIRC, VB3 and VB4.5 are interpreted. VB5 is compiled. Maybe
that's the issue. Missing pieces of the interpreter.

Nope. VB3 was compiled too as was VB4. I've still got a database program which I
wrote in VB3 running under W7 here that I've never got round to re-writing in VB6.
As long as you still have the *.VBX files available there's no reason why it
shouldn't run ok, although it *won't* run under W10 as the 16-bit subsystem has
been removed in that.
--
Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

In article ,
(pjp) wrote:

I just installeed both Virtual PC and VirtualBox. VirtualPC and no
USB means it got deleted quickly. VirtualBox didn't seem to want to
use the network card properly and I gave up in frustation and
deleted it also.

VirtualBox works fine here under W7 Home.
--
Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

VirtualBox