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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:25:49 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Char Jackson wrote: I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not. GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours. International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free. Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such. I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's ~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 7:30 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it. There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart. So WINE ("Wine Is Not an Emulator") spits out a few warnings. What's not to like ? Since the executables don't have access to the physical layer on disk drives, commercial software attempting to write license patterns in places they shouldn't, are blocked. It's the same for Bash shell in Windows 10. It's denied the usage of /dev, which limits things you can do with it. That's the price you pay for compatibility layers. They have to be made a tiny bit hack-resistant. WINE access ~/.wine/Drive_C/ or similar, and your C drive is underneath that point. There is a mechanism to fake a registry. There is a copy of Notepad and possibly Regedit for your amusement. Bash shell accesses your C drive as /mnt/c and your Windows home would be /mnt/c/users/username. Attempts from Win10 Bash shell, to access /dev/sda will fail. Â*Â* Paul I use it on a daily basis. Only about 1/2 of the Windows programs will run. And of those only about 1 in 5 run completely normally. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 10:19 PM, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 5:49 PM, T wrote: On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: LinuxÂ*hasÂ*notÂ*offeredÂ*aÂ*viableÂ*alternativeÂ* forÂ*theÂ*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph. Linux is a perfect solution for a closed/limited appliance like your shop. The missing 95% turns off people with general purpose systems. Most people are not looking for a hobby fixing linux issues. They want to get right on to posting pictures of their cat. It takes only one missing piece to sour the deal. Linux users are quick to denigrate people with expectations different from their own.Â* Linux would have far better market penetration if they'd catered to general users starting 20 years ago. It is a lot closer now than you think. Those folks I moved to Linux can't even tell the difference. They are back to checking out the Cute Cat (no such thing, but I digress) videos on You Tube in an instance. And if get about 100 times more call on fixing system issues with Windows than I do with Linux and Apple. Once I set up Windows and Apple, there is hardly anything for me to do, except the occasional training. It is a world of difference. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Char Jackson
wrote: I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not. GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours. International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free. google voice is not really a voip provider and only recently offered voip support. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Voice#VoIP_services Google Voice permits Voice Over IP (VoIP) as a beta from both the web and Android clients. It formerly supported XMPP signaling but no longer does. However, it has been reported that at one time some users could receive calls with their Google Voice accounts via the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP). Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such. I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's ~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure. obihai is one of the ways to use gv as a 'normal phone', originally via xmpp, which is no longer supported. i'm not sure what it uses now. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:13:24 -0400, pjp
wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. It's worth noting the charge is only if people want to get updates, not to use Windows 7. If one wants to take the risk, they can continue to use 7 without having to pay anything. If they should ever try charging, for any OS, as you suggest, I expect a mass migration to iOS or Linux. I know from personal experience that the Mint distro of Linux has a look and feel like Windows, so there won't be much of a learning curve. -- Shill #3. Los Angeles Branch. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5...202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/ |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:15:47 -0800, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 3:13 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. It's inevitable. The cellphone model already does that. Want data? No problem. Fork over $40 a line for 4 lines and get lotsa data, whether you use it or not. I pay $40/month for unlimited data and text. But at a cost of only 100 minutes a month. And they don't roll over. For me, this has not been an issue. Oh, after a set amount of data, it goes from 4G LTE to 3G. But there is no additional cost for me. I've yet to reach the limit, so this is also not an issue for me. Somebody has to pay for that Superbowl commercial. Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. I disagree. Mint looks and feels a lot like Windows. And it has more than enough programs available that it could easily take away MS's status if not for so many machines being pre-installed with Windows. Another computer option, though maybe just for Google fan boys like me, is the ChromeOS. No, it's not the same as more common Operating Systems, but it's pretty good, IMO. You just have to be comfortable with Google knowing *everything* you do when using it. Android has the phone market. That I agree with completely. Apple is holding it's own, but Android has the lion's share of the market. -- Shill #3. Los Angeles Branch. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5...202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/ |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 12/02/2019 05.29, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. There are thousands of people using phones normally, perfectly aware of their surroundings. Obviously, we only notice the exceptions. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
"pjp" wrote
| When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to | eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365, the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable. But it's not only that. These companies know their products are mature. They can't get people to buy updates every year based on a handful of minor featurers they may not need. With rental they can charge for bug fixes and actual features are just "frosting". Why is Adobe making big profits from rental? Because it's the only option and with the buying model people used to upgrade every other version, at most. The rental is usually slightly cheaper (so that they can make a misleading claim without illegally lying) than buying every full version, but of course most people didn't do that. But I think people are misreading the blog, if they've read it at all. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/micr...odern-desktop/ 1) Microsoft are begging corporate to move to Win10. Many are sticking with Win7. Their frequent use of equating "modern" with Win10 is just one symptom of their shrill desperation. The blog is actually about goodies they're offering for moving to Win10. * They'll take on some tasks of IT depts (their direct customers) by managing software auditing, tracking and compatibility issues that IT would normally handle. * They also claim they'll provide help for any case where older software doesn't work on Win10. * Third, they'll support particular Win10 versions longer. This is not a stick up. It's a cry of desperation masquerading as generosity. They're saying, "Look, IT people, if you'll only sign off on this we can practically guarantee your workload will decrease. That's why cloud is so great. We manage it on our end..... You say you want us to also wax your car once a week?... Let's talk." As for Win7, that only applies to corporate licensing. It's always been that way. MS are still making patches for XP and a corporate licensee can still get them if they're willing to pay through the nose. But MS refuses to let the public get those patches. It's simply spiteful greed. They want to force you to buy new product. "Windows 7 ESUs will be available to all Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Enterprise customers in Volume Licensing." In other words, if you're corporate you have an option to pay for updates. With a personal ofr SOHo machine you can't even pay them for the chance to pay them. You can still get at least some XP updates if you add the Registry value that says your machine is a kiosk system. (Like an ATM.) Probably Win7 will be similar. Though I'm not sure any ATMs have updated to Win7. The real problem here is that people read and post to nonsense from likes of Man-wai Chang or Good Guy. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to | eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365, adobe isn't forcing anything, nor is anyone else. people are free to choose 'non-rental' options, including from adobe as well as others. the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable. imagine that, companies doing things that are profitable. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Wolf K
wrote: And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. True, not everyone, but it's not "a few." Rene is right: smartphones make too many people stupid. they did no such thing. those people were stupid before smartphones. |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 10:45 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. Didn't say "all" 8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many people were using phones and you didn't even notice? This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the same thing, not just once. Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her. On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and walking, walks right into a lamp standard! Need I say more? Rene |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote: just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. Didn't say "all" 8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many people were using phones and you didn't even notice? This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the same thing, not just once. what you don't see are the people who *aren't* oblivious to their surroundings. Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her. pedestrians have the right of way. if said driver had to 'slam on his brakes' to avoid a collision, then it's the driver who is at fault for not paying attention. On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and walking, walks right into a lamp standard! people did that before phones, often while drunk, but not always. Need I say more? no |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/12/2019 9:36 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. Didn't say "all" 8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many people were using phones and you didn't even notice? This was in one day in 3 places, you can multiply that by millions and see what you get, and nearly every time I go grocery shopping I see the same thing, not just once. what you don't see are the people who *aren't* oblivious to their surroundings. Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting her. pedestrians have the right of way. if said driver had to 'slam on his brakes' to avoid a collision, then it's the driver who is at fault for not paying attention. Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you get that idea. On the same day waiting for my bus another young lady texting and walking, walks right into a lamp standard! people did that before phones, often while drunk, but not always. Need I say more? no |
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" Wrote in message:
Microsoft will end ?Extended Support? for Windows 7 according to the company?s Lifecycle page. Google has such a page for Chromebook models. Support for the premium model I bought new in June of 2018 ends in 2022. MS doesn't seem so bad to me... |
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