Is Linux the rectum of the Internet?

This person thinks so.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/kBVUMFMrfFI/OF003R8UIG8J

"There is simply no doubt in my mind that comp.os.linux.advocacy is
the
rectum of the internet.
The end of the poopy pipe.
The asshole of the earth.
The endless parade of complete assholes in this group is both
humorous
and sad to watch all at the same time.

Losers like Peter Köhlmann, also know as The Krazy Kraut who
spreads virus's with his messages and rarely utters anything but
obscenities from his sewer mouth.
The guy is a walking septic tank.

Then we have the real bozo's like Rapskat who hasn't been around
for a
while because he was away, whatever that means.
This simian moron is about as bright as a dim bulb which is why he
actually believes in Linux.
Get a clue dude, nobody believes in Linux but plenty of people are
getting a good laugh at it.

The biggest douche bag in the bunch is Angerthas Daeron who I think
is
really a Windows troller because he likes to post under different
names but he's not smart enough to not get caught.
I've never seen anyone say so little with so many words.
The idiot babbles on and on and on and on and on, but he never
actually says anything?
I think he's just another sicko in the Lino-Loony-Bin.

Then we have Rex Ballard. Will somebody please tell this fruitcake
that 90 percent of what he is babbling about is just plain wrong.
Even
the Lino-Loonies try to persuade him to check his facts before he
posts.

The guy is like a douchebag with a leaky nozzle.

There is no advocacy in COLA only Microsoft bashing and lies.

Well it's time to give this freaking froup an enema and flush the
poopy pot so we can actually discuss why Linux sucks so much.

Anna"

Linux was made for the specific purpose of annoying Windows users.

It's been the "Holy Grail of operating systems" for decades. I remember
it being called that in an argument between two guys when I first got on
USENET through that phone company (I forget the name, not AT&T) that
controlled most of the communications backbone.

Just know that Linux is a server operating system. Windows is a consumer
operating system. It's easy enough to cope with when you are aware of
those facts. And stop taking the bait. Linux Lunatics who tell the
average user he (or she) will have no trouble with applications and
hardware are LYING. A tiny user base spells trouble.

The idiot changed the follow-up groups...

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This person thinks so.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/kBVUMFMrfFI/OF003R8UIG8J

"There is simply no doubt in my mind that comp.os.linux.advocacy is
the
rectum of the internet.
The end of the poopy pipe.
The asshole of the earth.
The endless parade of complete assholes in this group is both
humorous
and sad to watch all at the same time.

Losers like Peter K"hlmann, also know as The Krazy Kraut who
spreads virus's with his messages and rarely utters anything but
obscenities from his sewer mouth.
The guy is a walking septic tank.

Then we have the real bozo's like Rapskat who hasn't been around
for a
while because he was away, whatever that means.
This simian moron is about as bright as a dim bulb which is why he
actually believes in Linux.
Get a clue dude, nobody believes in Linux but plenty of people are
getting a good laugh at it.

The biggest douche bag in the bunch is Angerthas Daeron who I think
is
really a Windows troller because he likes to post under different
names but he's not smart enough to not get caught.
I've never seen anyone say so little with so many words.
The idiot babbles on and on and on and on and on, but he never
actually says anything?
I think he's just another sicko in the Lino-Loony-Bin.

Then we have Rex Ballard. Will somebody please tell this fruitcake
that 90 percent of what he is babbling about is just plain wrong.
Even
the Lino-Loonies try to persuade him to check his facts before he
posts.

The guy is like a douchebag with a leaky nozzle.

There is no advocacy in COLA only Microsoft bashing and lies.

Well it's time to give this freaking froup an enema and flush the
poopy pot so we can actually discuss why Linux sucks so much.

Anna"

On 2019-09-04 2:38 a.m., John Doe wrote:
Linux was made for the specific purpose of annoying Windows users.

It's been the "Holy Grail of operating systems" for decades. I remember
it being called that in an argument between two guys when I first got on
USENET through that phone company (I forget the name, not AT&T) that
controlled most of the communications backbone.

Just know that Linux is a server operating system. Windows is a consumer
operating system. It's easy enough to cope with when you are aware of
those facts. And stop taking the bait. Linux Lunatics who tell the
average user he (or she) will have no trouble with applications and
hardware are LYING. A tiny user base spells trouble.

The idiot changed the follow-up groups...

Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

In article , Rabid Robot wrote:
....
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem (solved
by someone else). Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own. You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

--
Rich people pay Fox people to convince middle class people to blame poor people.

(John Fugelsang)

On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem (solved
by someone else). Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own. You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.

Rabid Robot wrote:
You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them

Have you have had a system from System76? They just work. Additionally
when someone installs Linux for a typically user (eliminating the
pre-install factor), they have no more issues with using the system than
a Windows system...only issue that I have had for those I have installed
Ubuntu on their systems is having to repeatedly tell them to toss that
driver disk that comes with some new peripheral that they bought. Also
with Windows new "feature update" every 6 months I have found newbies
handle a LTS release update without issue, whereas even competent
computer users dread the 6-month crapshoot MS offers.

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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 2019-09-04 12:40 p.m., Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Rabid Robot wrote:
You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them

Have you have had a system from System76? They just work. Additionally
when someone installs Linux for a typically user (eliminating the
pre-install factor), they have no more issues with using the system than
a Windows system...only issue that I have had for those I have installed
Ubuntu on their systems is having to repeatedly tell them to toss that
driver disk that comes with some new peripheral that they bought. Also
with Windows new "feature update" every 6 months I have found newbies
handle a LTS release update without issue, whereas even competent
computer users dread the 6-month crapshoot MS offers.

I was a Linux user for a long time and it is not true that there are "no
more issues with using the system than a Windows system." Perhaps
Windows 2000 or XP had consistent issues with waking the computer after
going to sleep but nowadays, one can install the operating system on ANY
hardware and the function will work unlike Linux. System76 helps this by
installing the operating system AND configuring it properly so that no
user ever faces this issue.

[Troll group free.spam snecked.]

[N.B. I didn't sneck all the troll groups, because that would give an
empty Newsgroups: header.]

Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem (solved
by someone else). Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own. You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.

At one time, I bought a (pre-installed) Linux system. Then I wised up!
:-)

But seriously, just use what suits *your* needs best.

FWIW, I have well over three and a half decade of - mostly
professional - experience supporting, managing and using (real) UNIX
systems. But for my private/personal/whatever use, I use Windows,
because it suits my needs better/best. And in order to still feel a bit
'at home', I use Cygwin [1], a Linux like environment on Windows! :-)

And this post is brought to you courtesy vi[m](1) [1] and tin [1], a
CUI newsreader of Unix heritage.

Moral: YMMV/YMWV.

[1] Which proves that one *can* run 'good' software on a 'bad' OS.

On 9/4/2019 9:36 AM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem (solved
by someone else). Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own. You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.


I got an i7 based HP that used to have windows on it. I installed
OpenSuse linux on it with no problems whatsoever. It has a 2tb hard
drive, beats audio board, AMD radeon graphics board, and a bunch of USB
sockets. Works great.

On 9/4/2019 11:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[Troll group free.spam snecked.]

[N.B. I didn't sneck all the troll groups, because that would give an
empty Newsgroups: header.]

Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem (solved
by someone else). Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own. You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.

At one time, I bought a (pre-installed) Linux system. Then I wised up!
:-)

But seriously, just use what suits *your* needs best.

FWIW, I have well over three and a half decade of - mostly
professional - experience supporting, managing and using (real) UNIX
systems. But for my private/personal/whatever use, I use Windows,
because it suits my needs better/best. And in order to still feel a bit
'at home', I use Cygwin [1], a Linux like environment on Windows! :-)

And this post is brought to you courtesy vi[m](1) [1] and tin [1], a
CUI newsreader of Unix heritage.

Moral: YMMV/YMWV.

[1] Which proves that one *can* run 'good' software on a 'bad' OS.


If you use Windows 10 Pro then just install the sub-system for linux.
It is had from their app store.

On 04 Sep 2019, Rabid Robot wrote
(in article ):

On 2019-09-04 2:38 a.m., John Doe wrote:
Linux was made for the specific purpose of annoying Windows users.

It's been the "Holy Grail of operating systems" for decades. I remember
it being called that in an argument between two guys when I first got on
USENET through that phone company (I forget the name, not AT&T) that
controlled most of the communications backbone.

Just know that Linux is a server operating system. Windows is a consumer
operating system. It's easy enough to cope with when you are aware of
those facts. And stop taking the bait. Linux Lunatics who tell the
average user he (or she) will have no trouble with applications and
hardware are LYING. A tiny user base spells trouble.

The idiot changed the follow-up groups...

Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy.

That depends on the application.

The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on the
net very carefully.

Oh, I can get the _computer_ to work reliably with modern Linux, though that
was not necessarily the case a decade ago. It’s the other bits of hardware
that cause trouble. We have several items which, when new, cost from $150,000
to over $300,000. There are Mac drivers. There are WinXP and 7 (but not 10)
drivers. (the fact that there are MacOS 9, NT4, W2K, and XP drivers should
indicate how old some of this hardware is.) In theory I could use the Mac
drivers and hack ‘em to get at least some Linux support. In theory I could
also get the Win 7 drivers to work on Win 10. In fact that’s way too much
work, and would be completely unsupported by the vendors, so we’re going to
have at least one Mac running macOS 10.13 and at least one WinBox running 7
for the foreseeable future, as we have every intention of not spending
hundreds of thousands of dollars until we absolutely have to. The vendors do
have ’solutions’ for Win 10 and newer macOS, at a price; they have no,
none, zero,’solutions’ for Linux. When the time comes that we must
replace the hardware, we may insist on Linux support. That time is not yet
here, and probably won’t be here for years.

Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

Not in my experience. It’s 3rd-party software which screws things up.
Either there are no direct equivalents for Linux (I use several applications
on a semi-regular basis for which there are no Linux equivalents; some of
them talk to the hardware mentioned above and are necessary to use the
umpty-ump thousand dollar equipment.) or the Linux equivalents have problems.
Examples:

LibreOffice does most of what MS Office does, for free. The trouble is that
it mangles many Word documents. It has been my experience that long, heavily
formatted with stylesheets and otherwise (I checked by redoing without
stylesheets; nope it’s the formatting) with tables and images (IOW,
_important_ documents) do not survive round-trips in either direction from
Word to LibreOffice. They can be fixed, but it takes time and effort to do
that. Meanwhile a DOCX file can be read by Word 2007 on up, and even by Pages
(with some minor corrections, hey, it’s Apple, they think different). As
long as we must correspond with people who use MS Office (translation: as
long as we’re in business) we must be able to round-trip MS Word files
reliably. LibreOffice doesn’t do that. There are similar, but not as bad,
problems with PPTX files, and similar but worse problems with Excel files,
mostly templates and macros. (I have one Excel template which has been in use
for literally two decadeswhich works on Mac and Windows but which causes
LibreOffice to barf. And the less said about macros the better. Even if the
Word and PowerPoint problems were addressed (unlikely) the Excel problem is a
showstopper. Yes, LibreOffice works with _most_ documents, Word and
PowerPoint and Excel. No, it doesn’t work with _all_ documents. No, despite
filing bug reports, have the more critical problems been fixed; there was a
bug which caused the entire document to show as bold-italic when migrated
from MS Office and to stay bold-italic when round-tripped; that’s fixed.
(WordPerfect Office did that, too...) Other problems remain. When they get
fixed we can talk. I’m not holding my breath waiting.

The GIMP does some of what Photoshop does and there are Linux tools which can
at least partially replace Illustrator, etc.; we are, however, bailing from
Adobe and going to Affinity. Affinity products run on Mac, Windows, and iPad,
but NOT on Linux (IOW, Affinity products run on our existing hardware and
operating systems). We’re not going to migrate our users to a Linux
product, assuming we could find one which does what the Affinity product
does, which is unlikely; I looked prior to our moving to Affinity. Perhaps
Affinity will set up on Linux. Perhaps not.
Perhaps if we were just starting and had no existing hardware, software, or
vendors we might consider a Linux solution. We’re not scrapping our
existing systems, particularly our existing hardware, not now.

On 2019-09-04 2:31 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/4/2019 9:36 AM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid RobotÂ*
wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on
the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem
(solved
by someone else).Â* Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own.Â* You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.


I got an i7 based HP that used to have windows on it.Â* I installed
OpenSuse linux on it with no problems whatsoever.Â* It has a 2tb hard
drive, beats audio board, AMD radeon graphics board, and a bunch of USB
sockets.Â* Works great.

How does the sleep/wake situation work for you?

On 9/4/2019 2:43 PM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 2:31 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/4/2019 9:36 AM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot
wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on
the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem
(solved
by someone else).Â* Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own.Â* You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.


I got an i7 based HP that used to have windows on it.Â* I installed
OpenSuse linux on it with no problems whatsoever.Â* It has a 2tb hard
drive, beats audio board, AMD radeon graphics board, and a bunch of USB
sockets.Â* Works great.

How does the sleep/wake situation work for you?

Worked ok, as far as I know.

A while back, my uncle had an old HP with a pentium II in it... the
sleep caused the power supply to overheat and eventually started to smoke.
LOL! But then it had windows 95 on it.

On 2019-09-04 7:29 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:43 PM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 2:31 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/4/2019 9:36 AM, Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-09-04 10:35 a.m., Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article , Rabid Robot
wrote:
...
Installing applications in Linux _is_ very easy. The problem is that
getting all of your hardware to work correctly is not that much of a
piece of cake even if you follow all of the instructions you find on
the
net very carefully. Most people who try Linux will have issues with
their computer waking from sleep and there is little they can do
to fix
the problem. THAT is where Linux fails the most.

As always, the issue is the pre-install issue.

I.e., when you buy a PC, you get Windows - that is a solved problem
(solved
by someone else).Â* Whereas, with Linux, you are on your own.Â* You will
never do as well as the original manufacturer can and does.

The point, in case it isn't clear, is that if Windows didn't come
pre-installed, you'd never get that working right either.

You can buy a computer from a Linux-centric manufacturer like System76,
but I'm not sure that the operating system works properly even then. I
imagine that they provide support and do a better job of making sure
that things work out of the box than a Linux-desiring consumer would
but
I have yet to even meet a person who bought a computer from them.


I got an i7 based HP that used to have windows on it.Â* I installed
OpenSuse linux on it with no problems whatsoever.Â* It has a 2tb hard
drive, beats audio board, AMD radeon graphics board, and a bunch of USB
sockets.Â* Works great.

How does the sleep/wake situation work for you?

Worked ok, as far as I know.

A while back, my uncle had an old HP with a pentium II in it... the
sleep caused the power supply to overheat and eventually started to smoke.
LOL!Â* But then it had windows 95 on it.

I have yet to own a machine on which Linux can be installed and the
waking function run properly.

Rabid Robot wrote:
I have yet to own a machine on which Linux can be installed and the
waking function run properly.

No issue for Dell Latitude D820, a HP 110 netbook or my current ThinkPad
540. Installed for others on Toshiba Satellites, and HP whateves it has
not been an issue. Not has an issue with modern distros...

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Take care,

Jonathan
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