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  #91  
Old November 5th 19, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:15:27 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

individual.net, eternal-september, albasani, and non-Mozilla NNTP
servers don't carry the mozilla.* newsgroups.


Newshosting and AstraWeb, as two examples, carry at least 92 mozilla
newsgroups. As stated above, however, and based on what you're saying, I
assume they are not peered with the official mozilla groups. Is that right?


Last I checked, news.mozilla.org was a private NNTP server with peering
only to Google Groups (and Google didn't peer out from there).


snipped detailed suggestions on how to verify that moz newsgroups are or are not peered to usenet

Thanks for that. I'll include the headers for two random posts from Newshosting's "mozilla.support.thunderbird" newsgroup. To me, they look like they came from the mozilla server. Let me know what you think.

If Giganews was peering out Mozilla's articles to other NNTP servers,
like Newshosting/Highwinds and Astraweb, then why don't those same
articles end up getting peered to individual.net and Eternal-September?


I guess you'd have to ask those NSPs. As I understand it, each NSP can decide for itself which groups they will peer.

So here are headers from two random posts taken from mozilla.support.thunderbird on Newshosting.

##################################################
Post #1



X-Received: by 2002:a1c:1aca:: with SMTP id a193mr12956336wma.120.1569730932208;
Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:22:12 -0700 (PDT)
Path: not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:22:07 -0500
Return-Path:
Delivered-To:
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mozilla.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Sco 2.998
X-Spam-Level: **
X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-0.05, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.399,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.4]
autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received-SPF: pass (giganews.com: Sender is authorized to use
' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism
'include:smtp.phmgmt.com' matched)) receiver=mailman2.mail.mdc2.mozilla.com;
identity=mailfrom; ";
helo=mailstar.serv1.aus.datafoundry.com; client-ip=209.99.125.38
X-Mozilla-News-Host:
news://news.mozilla.org:119
From: BillH
Subject: Folder Account add-on for TB 68.x
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:22:00 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/68.1.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-DF-Seen-By: ms
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint
properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
To:

X-BeenThe

X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26
Precedence: list
List-Id: Thunderbird help community support-thunderbird.lists.mozilla.org
List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.mozilla.org/options/support-thunderbird,
?subject=unsubscribe
List-Post:
List-Help: ?subject=help
List-Subscribe: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird,
?subject=subscribe
Approved:

Newsgroups: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Message-ID:
X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID:
References:
Lines: 15
X-Usenet-Provider:
http://www.giganews.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.245.210.105
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-Trace: sv3-u0crSSit9Nh05O9gd523iak8wKynzsGFjBIIAMP+HipK/3nYzM4DXI34gUnPwJwGCRof2USyG0eqyxw!/viMW5GXPG91EOlthQz8Erf84pTAacHshBX6r+N9QAJ/BA5X7PY8KtYqiyK3PqQqmpKHLxi/WZIZ!B4uB0fsusu3XVBEUKJN8ZXCj0+GFXRFTKqZzN3ygzg==
X-Complaints-To:
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:

X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
Bytes: 3838
X-Original-Bytes: 3776
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Received-Bytes: 4064
X-Received-Body-CRC: 1262584526








#############################################
Post #2





X-Received: by 2002:adf:e5c4:: with SMTP id a4mr30388005wrn.334.1572974766321;
Tue, 05 Nov 2019 09:26:06 -0800 (PST)
Path: not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 11:26:00 -0600
Return-Path:
Delivered-To:

X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mozilla.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Sco 2.997
X-Spam-Level: **
X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-0.05, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.399,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399]
autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received-SPF: pass (giganews.com: Sender is authorized to use
' in 'mfrom' identity (mechanism
'include:smtp.phmgmt.com' matched)) receiver=mailman2.mail.mdc2.mozilla.com;
identity=mailfrom; ";
helo=mailstar.serv1.aus.datafoundry.com; client-ip=209.99.125.34
Subject: Provider for Google Calendar using OAUTH
From: Wayne
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:25:59 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:71.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/71.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To:
X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 191105-0, 11/05/2019), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
X-DF-Seen-By: ms
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:

X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint
properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
To:

X-BeenThe

X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26
Precedence: list
List-Id: Thunderbird help community support-thunderbird.lists.mozilla.org
List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.mozilla.org/options/support-thunderbird,
?subject=unsubscribe
List-Post:
List-Help: ?subject=help
List-Subscribe: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird,
?subject=subscribe
Approved:

Newsgroups: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Message-ID:
X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID:
X-Mailman-Original-References:



References:




Lines: 25
X-Usenet-Provider:
http://www.giganews.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.245.210.105
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-Trace: sv3-rZigfjHAHPeUqoMd7aG91ppQEjjbb6QuMs7sKbnErOopkoJ/2/MyzkNLwSd5G8kGbc9QnBA4qOXWH26!8DaPChIbfEgIGnw+8yWI 5D456NHXIivVRodq9r43lUNZRtpH6Ysp4GaanfuonrRQmrhVTe S4iBYJ!t84f3IxbOKCjUajnByuDoyDV+K2RoCQoUUBNTYeyyA= =
X-Complaints-To:
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:

X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
Bytes: 4874
X-Original-Bytes: 4781
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
X-Received-Bytes: 5097
X-Received-Body-CRC: 157970561


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  #92  
Old November 5th 19, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
Ken Blake[_7_]
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 11/5/2019 4:25 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote:

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.


I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right


I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not.




Despite my never having seen or heard it, it may be fairly common.
Perhaps it's common in some parts of the US that I am hardly ever in.


--
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  #93  
Old November 5th 19, 11:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
Ken Blake[_7_]
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 11/5/2019 4:35 PM, % wrote:
On 2019-11-05 4:25 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote:

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.


I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right


I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not.

some people don't get out much i guess



Yes, I'm one of those who doesn't get out much. I also hardly ever watch
television, so that also limits what common locutions I hear.




--
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  #94  
Old November 6th 19, 12:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
%
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 2019-11-05 4:58 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 4:35 PM, % wrote:
On 2019-11-05 4:25 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote:

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10
GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.


I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left
and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example,
and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right

I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not.

some people don't get out much i guess



Yes, I'm one of those who doesn't get out much. I also hardly ever watch
television, so that also limits what common locutions I hear.




i'm occasionally around younger people so i get all the new stuff
  #96  
Old November 6th 19, 02:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

My recollection when I tried the free version (don't know if it was
3.3, or a 2.x version) was that it poorly handled multiple servers.
I think Agent, back then, only handled one server. The workaround
was to make a copy of some config file. You would have a config
file for each server. You copied the customized config file atop the
standard-named config file before you loaded free Agent. I used a
batch file to make the selection which did the overwrite of the
config file and then loaded Agent.


Ugh, that's an ugly way to do it. Not recommended at all. You're on
the right track, though. Early versions officially only supported a
single server, but it's trivial to add multi-server support after the
fact. Later versions added multi-server support without any
tricks/hacks. You obviously tried an earlier version.


What other trick or workaround got the free one-server-only Agent to
handle multiple servers? In the alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,
I asked how to get Agent back then to support multiple servers, and
editing or switching out the config file was suggested. Rather than do
it manually everytime I wanted to switch servers, I simply used a batch
file to slide in a copy of the config file that was previously edited to
specify a different server.

I think I was trialing the free 2.2 version (was 2.something), because
the 3.3 that out at the time was crippleware (it self-destructed after
the shareware trial). It didn't have multiple server support, I was
using multiple servers, so I had to come up with some workaround to make
it easier to switch between NNTP servers. It did require me to exit
Agent and reload it but with a different config file, so I couldn't
bounce between newsgroups on one server to look at newsgroups (or even
the same ones) on a different server.
  #97  
Old November 6th 19, 03:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:34:00 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

My recollection when I tried the free version (don't know if it was
3.3, or a 2.x version) was that it poorly handled multiple servers.
I think Agent, back then, only handled one server. The workaround
was to make a copy of some config file. You would have a config
file for each server. You copied the customized config file atop the
standard-named config file before you loaded free Agent. I used a
batch file to make the selection which did the overwrite of the
config file and then loaded Agent.


Ugh, that's an ugly way to do it. Not recommended at all. You're on
the right track, though. Early versions officially only supported a
single server, but it's trivial to add multi-server support after the
fact. Later versions added multi-server support without any
tricks/hacks. You obviously tried an earlier version.


What other trick or workaround got the free one-server-only Agent to
handle multiple servers?


This isn't a step by step because I'll probably miss something and it's
been almost exactly 20 years since I've done it, but as I recall it goes
something like this.

1. In your Agent directory, create a subfolder. Tip: Name it after the new
server in some meaningful way. That will help you remember what it's for.

2. Copy Agent's config file, Agent.ini, into the new folder. Copy, don't
move.

3. Edit the copied config file, making changes to the Servers section and
optionally to the Profile section. The remaining sections are probably fine
as is, but feel free to skim them.

4. Create a new program shortcut for Agent. Open its Properties and make
sure the Target points to the Agent.exe executable. Edit the "Start in"
field so that it points to your new folder. Save and close the shortcut.

So now you have two shortcuts for Agent. You can rename them so that each
reflects its server. You can launch both of them at the same time, if you
like. I ran that way for 12-14 years or so.

In the alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,
I asked how to get Agent back then to support multiple servers, and
editing or switching out the config file was suggested. Rather than do
it manually everytime I wanted to switch servers, I simply used a batch
file to slide in a copy of the config file that was previously edited to
specify a different server.

I think I was trialing the free 2.2 version (was 2.something), because


I'm not familiar with any 2.x versions other than 2.0.

the 3.3 that out at the time was crippleware (it self-destructed after
the shareware trial). It didn't have multiple server support, I was


Self destruct is too harsh. I think the big thing on all of the free
versions, including 3.3, is that the Filters feature disappears when the
trial ends. Many people don't use filters and wouldn't notice. There was
something else, but I don't remember what it was. I think I registered my
first copy of Agent in about 1998/99 so I wasn't impacted by any missing
features. Oh, wait, I just remembered. The other feature that would
disappear when the trial ends was the capability to auto-join multipart
archives. That would have put you on equal footing with Outlook Express,
for example, where you'd have to manually join all of the segments to
create an archive part, then once you have all of the parts, you could then
extract it. Painful, from what I remember.

using multiple servers, so I had to come up with some workaround to make
it easier to switch between NNTP servers. It did require me to exit
Agent and reload it but with a different config file, so I couldn't
bounce between newsgroups on one server to look at newsgroups (or even
the same ones) on a different server.


Yep, that would have been annoying. I used the multiple program shortcuts
and didn't have that issue.

That reminds me, though. If you were only switching the config file and not
any of the other support files, (*.idx's and *.dat's), you would have very
quickly had a corrupt installation. Even if you wanted all instances to be
subscribed to the same set of groups, which is doubtful, each server would
have had it's own set of articles. I don't even see how that would have
worked.

  #98  
Old November 6th 19, 03:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:25:47 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Post #1 (at Giganews):

From: BillH
Subject: Folder Account add-on for TB 68.x
To:
Message-ID:

Post #2 (also at Giganews):

Subject: Provider for Google Calendar using OAUTH
From: Wayne
To:

Message-ID:


Both those posts were submitted to Mozilla's e-mail server which copies
via their NNTP-to-email gateway to their NNTP server (hosted at
Giganews).


OK, so if I understand you correctly, they traveled from Mozilla's
NNTP-to-email gateway to Giganews to Newshosting, where I picked them up.
They also appear on my AstraWeb feed. Thus, verifying that the Mozilla
newsgroups do indeed get peered to Usenet. Is that right?

Those are not the same post peered to 2 different NNTP
servers, but 2 different posts and at the same NNTP server.


Correct.

To prove peering, you would need to show the headers for the SAME post
(same Subject, same sender, and especially the same Message-ID) at 2
different NNTP servers. To show peering outside of Mozilla's Giganews-
hosted server, you'd have to show the same post at a different server.


The different servers are Newshosting and AstraWeb. I can't easily check
any additional servers.

  #99  
Old November 6th 19, 04:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 11/5/19 11:42 AM, NY wrote:
"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear


I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of
data? I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between
downloading from remote server to local computer and uploading in the
opposite direction - but he has already said that he is downloading.


"left" and "right" are probably being used inappropriately. Possibly for
multiple servers.

--
49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
  #100  
Old November 6th 19, 04:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 11/5/19 12:40 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 18.16, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.

[snip]


I know people that went from a client such a outlook or thunderbird to
gmail on web and do not want back. Nothing to configure. They only use
firefox for everything, just one icon to know.



Yes, I know such people too. They are of the type who prefer webmail.


In the case I mentioned, that IPS's webmail was making the user send
spam for the ISP along with every message. That was unacceptable.

They DON'T all do that.

--
49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
  #101  
Old November 6th 19, 05:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 11/5/19 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.


I'm like that. My current email service allows IMAP and webmail access
to the same mailbox, so webmail is available if I seen to access it from
a different computer. Usually, I'm using it from a PC with Thunderbird
set up.

[snip]

--
49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
  #102  
Old November 6th 19, 05:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 11/5/19 2:50 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.



I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.


I've heard the expression, but would never SAY it for something where
"left" and "right" were not appropriate.

[snip]

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"When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always
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Old November 6th 19, 05:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 11/5/19 3:03 PM, % wrote:

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common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right


All of those are situations where "different directions" make sense.
"Downloading left and right" isn't.

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Old November 6th 19, 06:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/11/2019 18.03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/5/19 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my
email. I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own
computer at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to
check mail on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's
no reason for him to use it at home.


I'm like that. My current email service allows IMAP and webmail access
to the same mailbox, so webmail is available if I seen to access it from
a different computer. Usually, I'm using it from a PC with Thunderbird
set up.

[snip]


With gmail, I notice often when changing location with my laptop that
Thunderbird will not connect. Minutes later I get an email on another
account telling of a security violation on the gmail account, and to
clear it out, I have to login via webmail, see the alert mail, click on
a link, and say F** off, it was me.


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Old November 6th 19, 06:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]

With gmail, I notice often when changing location with my laptop that
Thunderbird will not connect. Minutes later I get an email on another
account telling of a security violation on the gmail account, and to
clear it out, I have to login via webmail, see the alert mail, click on
a link, and say F** off, it was me.


This problem has been discussed several times [1] in this group.

Assuming you're using POP (or/and SMTP), you can get around this
problem by using an (Google) App Password in Thunderbird. (If you're
using IMAP, you can also use OAuth2.)

For how to do this, see Ralph Fox' 09SEP2018 post "Google screwed up
my Gmail acct in Thunderbird" in alt.windows7.general:

Message-ID:
or
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3C0ud8pd5m6ler41kl54cdelql2 %3E

Like you, I used to have this problem (for POP), but no longer since
using (Google) App Passwords for my Gmail accounts.

[1] Amongst others in:

From: Frank Slootweg
Subject: Duplicati
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10
Message-ID:
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:02:09 -0000

or

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqf3ed0.buc.1%40ID-201911.user.individual.net%3E
 




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