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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 11/5/2019 4:25 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote: On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote: On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote: "%" wrote in message ... By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes. Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me. and after that do you crank it up your ear I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, *left and right*". What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data? I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction - but he has already said that he is downloading. I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as "routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc. Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK. I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either. In the first example of https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret "shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-) common saying in canada , things flying left and right , people running left and right , cars coming left and right I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not. Despite my never having seen or heard it, it may be fairly common. Perhaps it's common in some parts of the US that I am hardly ever in. -- Ken |
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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 11/5/2019 4:35 PM, % wrote:
On 2019-11-05 4:25 p.m., Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote: On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote: On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote: "%" wrote in message ... By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes. Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me. and after that do you crank it up your ear I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, *left and right*". What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data? I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction - but he has already said that he is downloading. I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as "routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc. Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK. I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either. In the first example of https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret "shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-) common saying in canada , things flying left and right , people running left and right , cars coming left and right I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not. some people don't get out much i guess Yes, I'm one of those who doesn't get out much. I also hardly ever watch television, so that also limits what common locutions I hear. -- Ken |
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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 2019-11-05 4:58 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 4:35 PM, % wrote: On 2019-11-05 4:25 p.m., Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote: On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote: On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote: "%" wrote in message ... By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes. Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me. and after that do you crank it up your ear I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, *left and right*". What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data? I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction - but he has already said that he is downloading. I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as "routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc. Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK. I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either. In the first example of https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret "shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-) common saying in canada , things flying left and right , people running left and right , cars coming left and right I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not. some people don't get out much i guess Yes, I'm one of those who doesn't get out much. I also hardly ever watch television, so that also limits what common locutions I hear. i'm occasionally around younger people so i get all the new stuff |
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Thunderbird -OT
Char Jackson wrote:
Post #1 (at Giganews): From: BillH Subject: Folder Account add-on for TB 68.x To: Message-ID: Post #2 (also at Giganews): Subject: Provider for Google Calendar using OAUTH From: Wayne To: Message-ID: Both those posts were submitted to Mozilla's e-mail server which copies via their NNTP-to-email gateway to their NNTP server (hosted at Giganews). Those are not the same post peered to 2 different NNTP servers, but 2 different posts and at the same NNTP server. To prove peering, you would need to show the headers for the SAME post (same Subject, same sender, and especially the same Message-ID) at 2 different NNTP servers. To show peering outside of Mozilla's Giganews- hosted server, you'd have to show the same post at a different server. |
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Thunderbird -OT
Char Jackson wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: My recollection when I tried the free version (don't know if it was 3.3, or a 2.x version) was that it poorly handled multiple servers. I think Agent, back then, only handled one server. The workaround was to make a copy of some config file. You would have a config file for each server. You copied the customized config file atop the standard-named config file before you loaded free Agent. I used a batch file to make the selection which did the overwrite of the config file and then loaded Agent. Ugh, that's an ugly way to do it. Not recommended at all. You're on the right track, though. Early versions officially only supported a single server, but it's trivial to add multi-server support after the fact. Later versions added multi-server support without any tricks/hacks. You obviously tried an earlier version. What other trick or workaround got the free one-server-only Agent to handle multiple servers? In the alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, I asked how to get Agent back then to support multiple servers, and editing or switching out the config file was suggested. Rather than do it manually everytime I wanted to switch servers, I simply used a batch file to slide in a copy of the config file that was previously edited to specify a different server. I think I was trialing the free 2.2 version (was 2.something), because the 3.3 that out at the time was crippleware (it self-destructed after the shareware trial). It didn't have multiple server support, I was using multiple servers, so I had to come up with some workaround to make it easier to switch between NNTP servers. It did require me to exit Agent and reload it but with a different config file, so I couldn't bounce between newsgroups on one server to look at newsgroups (or even the same ones) on a different server. |
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Thunderbird -OT
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:34:00 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: VanguardLH wrote: My recollection when I tried the free version (don't know if it was 3.3, or a 2.x version) was that it poorly handled multiple servers. I think Agent, back then, only handled one server. The workaround was to make a copy of some config file. You would have a config file for each server. You copied the customized config file atop the standard-named config file before you loaded free Agent. I used a batch file to make the selection which did the overwrite of the config file and then loaded Agent. Ugh, that's an ugly way to do it. Not recommended at all. You're on the right track, though. Early versions officially only supported a single server, but it's trivial to add multi-server support after the fact. Later versions added multi-server support without any tricks/hacks. You obviously tried an earlier version. What other trick or workaround got the free one-server-only Agent to handle multiple servers? This isn't a step by step because I'll probably miss something and it's been almost exactly 20 years since I've done it, but as I recall it goes something like this. 1. In your Agent directory, create a subfolder. Tip: Name it after the new server in some meaningful way. That will help you remember what it's for. 2. Copy Agent's config file, Agent.ini, into the new folder. Copy, don't move. 3. Edit the copied config file, making changes to the Servers section and optionally to the Profile section. The remaining sections are probably fine as is, but feel free to skim them. 4. Create a new program shortcut for Agent. Open its Properties and make sure the Target points to the Agent.exe executable. Edit the "Start in" field so that it points to your new folder. Save and close the shortcut. So now you have two shortcuts for Agent. You can rename them so that each reflects its server. You can launch both of them at the same time, if you like. I ran that way for 12-14 years or so. In the alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, I asked how to get Agent back then to support multiple servers, and editing or switching out the config file was suggested. Rather than do it manually everytime I wanted to switch servers, I simply used a batch file to slide in a copy of the config file that was previously edited to specify a different server. I think I was trialing the free 2.2 version (was 2.something), because I'm not familiar with any 2.x versions other than 2.0. the 3.3 that out at the time was crippleware (it self-destructed after the shareware trial). It didn't have multiple server support, I was Self destruct is too harsh. I think the big thing on all of the free versions, including 3.3, is that the Filters feature disappears when the trial ends. Many people don't use filters and wouldn't notice. There was something else, but I don't remember what it was. I think I registered my first copy of Agent in about 1998/99 so I wasn't impacted by any missing features. Oh, wait, I just remembered. The other feature that would disappear when the trial ends was the capability to auto-join multipart archives. That would have put you on equal footing with Outlook Express, for example, where you'd have to manually join all of the segments to create an archive part, then once you have all of the parts, you could then extract it. Painful, from what I remember. using multiple servers, so I had to come up with some workaround to make it easier to switch between NNTP servers. It did require me to exit Agent and reload it but with a different config file, so I couldn't bounce between newsgroups on one server to look at newsgroups (or even the same ones) on a different server. Yep, that would have been annoying. I used the multiple program shortcuts and didn't have that issue. That reminds me, though. If you were only switching the config file and not any of the other support files, (*.idx's and *.dat's), you would have very quickly had a corrupt installation. Even if you wanted all instances to be subscribed to the same set of groups, which is doubtful, each server would have had it's own set of articles. I don't even see how that would have worked. |
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Thunderbird -OT
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:25:47 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: Post #1 (at Giganews): From: BillH Subject: Folder Account add-on for TB 68.x To: Message-ID: Post #2 (also at Giganews): Subject: Provider for Google Calendar using OAUTH From: Wayne To: Message-ID: Both those posts were submitted to Mozilla's e-mail server which copies via their NNTP-to-email gateway to their NNTP server (hosted at Giganews). OK, so if I understand you correctly, they traveled from Mozilla's NNTP-to-email gateway to Giganews to Newshosting, where I picked them up. They also appear on my AstraWeb feed. Thus, verifying that the Mozilla newsgroups do indeed get peered to Usenet. Is that right? Those are not the same post peered to 2 different NNTP servers, but 2 different posts and at the same NNTP server. Correct. To prove peering, you would need to show the headers for the SAME post (same Subject, same sender, and especially the same Message-ID) at 2 different NNTP servers. To show peering outside of Mozilla's Giganews- hosted server, you'd have to show the same post at a different server. The different servers are Newshosting and AstraWeb. I can't easily check any additional servers. |
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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 11/5/19 11:42 AM, NY wrote:
"%" wrote in message ... By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes. Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me. and after that do you crank it up your ear I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, *left and right*". What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data? I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction - but he has already said that he is downloading. "left" and "right" are probably being used inappropriately. Possibly for multiple servers. -- 49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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Thunderbird -OT
On 11/5/19 12:40 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: On 05/11/2019 18.16, Mark Lloyd wrote: [snip] and email is all webmail these days That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail client. I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted their spam in every message sent that way. This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as webmail (they just hid that fact). It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try anything else. [snip] I know people that went from a client such a outlook or thunderbird to gmail on web and do not want back. Nothing to configure. They only use firefox for everything, just one icon to know. Yes, I know such people too. They are of the type who prefer webmail. In the case I mentioned, that IPS's webmail was making the user send spam for the ISP along with every message. That was unacceptable. They DON'T all do that. -- 49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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Thunderbird -OT
On 11/5/19 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
[snip] Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent, when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email. I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason for him to use it at home. I'm like that. My current email service allows IMAP and webmail access to the same mailbox, so webmail is available if I seen to access it from a different computer. Usually, I'm using it from a PC with Thunderbird set up. [snip] -- 49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 11/5/19 2:50 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
[snip] Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK. I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either. I've heard the expression, but would never SAY it for something where "left" and "right" were not appropriate. [snip] -- 49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.
On 11/5/19 3:03 PM, % wrote:
[snip] common saying in canada , things flying left and right , people running left and right , cars coming left and right All of those are situations where "different directions" make sense. "Downloading left and right" isn't. -- 49 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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On 06/11/2019 18.03, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/5/19 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent, when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email. I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason for him to use it at home. I'm like that. My current email service allows IMAP and webmail access to the same mailbox, so webmail is available if I seen to access it from a different computer. Usually, I'm using it from a PC with Thunderbird set up. [snip] With gmail, I notice often when changing location with my laptop that Thunderbird will not connect. Minutes later I get an email on another account telling of a security violation on the gmail account, and to clear it out, I have to login via webmail, see the alert mail, click on a link, and say F** off, it was me. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...] With gmail, I notice often when changing location with my laptop that Thunderbird will not connect. Minutes later I get an email on another account telling of a security violation on the gmail account, and to clear it out, I have to login via webmail, see the alert mail, click on a link, and say F** off, it was me. This problem has been discussed several times [1] in this group. Assuming you're using POP (or/and SMTP), you can get around this problem by using an (Google) App Password in Thunderbird. (If you're using IMAP, you can also use OAuth2.) For how to do this, see Ralph Fox' 09SEP2018 post "Google screwed up my Gmail acct in Thunderbird" in alt.windows7.general: Message-ID: or http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3C0ud8pd5m6ler41kl54cdelql2 %3E Like you, I used to have this problem (for POP), but no longer since using (Google) App Passwords for my Gmail accounts. [1] Amongst others in: From: Frank Slootweg Subject: Duplicati Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:02:09 -0000 or http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cqf3ed0.buc.1%40ID-201911.user.individual.net%3E |
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