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Win 10 clean install
First time posting here.
Does the clean install need or use the Product key for/from Win7/8 or is a new one included in the Win10 ISO? I'd like to move my wife's Vista to Win7 with the Product key I have. Saving it, and doing a clean install on that machine with my Win7 SP1 ISO. Thanks for your advice. |
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Oren wrote:
First time posting here. Does the clean install need or use the Product key for/from Win7/8 or is a new one included in the Win10 ISO? I'd like to move my wife's Vista to Win7 with the Product key I have. Saving it, and doing a clean install on that machine with my Win7 SP1 ISO. Thanks for your advice. You know, it occurs to me, that this is a "long upgrade" path. Do you even know if Win10 has a video driver for the laptop ? You could be burning a Win7 key for nothing, if it turns out GWX says Win10 Upgrade isn't an option. What is the make and model of computer ? ******* One of the problems is, there is no stand-alone Upgrade Assistant. Without an Upgrade Assistant, it's pretty hard at the moment, for a user to determine whether to buy Win10 for $149 or $249. Normally, you'd have an Upgrade Assistant to download, which could check the hardware in advance of the purchase. Using such an Assistant, you could tell whether your Vista was a candidate for Win10, from a hardware perspective. What is happening in this case, is GWX (Get Windows 10) is available in Win7SP1 or Win8.1. And checks qualifications for the free upgrade. That's the only upgrade assistant. GWX even has pre-requisites, so support packages are installed by Windows Update, before the GWX package can be installed. That means you would install Win7SP1, plus around 200 updates to bring Win7SP1 up to date, unless you wanted to pick and choose just the prerequisite installations (which would be pretty hard to get the list of those done correctly). The whole thing is a shambles, from a fairness and honesty perspective. It's a hell of a way to run a business. We don't currently have the tools, to tell you whether this is a good idea or not. I can comment on your processor, via the model information. But there can always be some tiny thing I've forgotten though. For a foolproof solution, there should be an Upgrade Assistant. ******* You can try downloading this, and booting the DVD made from this, and see what it says. Do a backup of the laptop Vista hard drive (a complete backup), before you begin. My worst horror story with a Microsoft installer CD, was the Win2K CD which erased the hard drive, even though I selected "Quit" before the installation had started. I used TestDisk to recovery the hard drive :-) Never trust any installer CD/DVD, further than you can throw it. A DVD from here, apparently has both Home and Pro images on it. But you still have to select x32 or x64, for the OS version (size of CPU instructions - practically any processor ready to run the OS, will be able to handle x64). https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO You can check the System control panel in Vista, just to verify the OS is 64 bit. Some people use the 32 bit version, because they run older (MSDOS) era programs. The 64 bit OS runs 64 bit and 32 bit programs. The 32 bit OS runs 32 bit and 16 bit programs. The System control panel will mention "64" in the text, if it is a 64 bit OS. It won't say anything if the install is 32 bit. Your "clean install" with Win7, would allow selecting either of those choices. Your Win10 download, should match the "bitness" of the Win7 installation you are doing. So the Win7 step controls things here. And the Win7SP1 license key you've got, will work with either 32 bit or 64 bit media. One license covers both. Paul |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:34:14 -0400, Paul wrote:
Oren wrote: First time posting here. Does the clean install need or use the Product key for/from Win7/8 or is a new one included in the Win10 ISO? I'd like to move my wife's Vista to Win7 with the Product key I have. Saving it, and doing a clean install on that machine with my Win7 SP1 ISO. Thanks for your advice. You know, it occurs to me, that this is a "long upgrade" path. Do you even know if Win10 has a video driver for the laptop ? You could be burning a Win7 key for nothing, if it turns out GWX says Win10 Upgrade isn't an option. What is the make and model of computer ? ******* One of the problems is, there is no stand-alone Upgrade Assistant. Without an Upgrade Assistant, it's pretty hard at the moment, for a user to determine whether to buy Win10 for $149 or $249. Normally, you'd have an Upgrade Assistant to download, which could check the hardware in advance of the purchase. Using such an Assistant, you could tell whether your Vista was a candidate for Win10, from a hardware perspective. What is happening in this case, is GWX (Get Windows 10) is available in Win7SP1 or Win8.1. And checks qualifications for the free upgrade. That's the only upgrade assistant. GWX even has pre-requisites, so support packages are installed by Windows Update, before the GWX package can be installed. That means you would install Win7SP1, plus around 200 updates to bring Win7SP1 up to date, unless you wanted to pick and choose just the prerequisite installations (which would be pretty hard to get the list of those done correctly). The whole thing is a shambles, from a fairness and honesty perspective. It's a hell of a way to run a business. We don't currently have the tools, to tell you whether this is a good idea or not. I can comment on your processor, via the model information. But there can always be some tiny thing I've forgotten though. For a foolproof solution, there should be an Upgrade Assistant. ******* You can try downloading this, and booting the DVD made from this, and see what it says. Do a backup of the laptop Vista hard drive (a complete backup), before you begin. My worst horror story with a Microsoft installer CD, was the Win2K CD which erased the hard drive, even though I selected "Quit" before the installation had started. I used TestDisk to recovery the hard drive :-) Never trust any installer CD/DVD, further than you can throw it. A DVD from here, apparently has both Home and Pro images on it. But you still have to select x32 or x64, for the OS version (size of CPU instructions - practically any processor ready to run the OS, will be able to handle x64). https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO You can check the System control panel in Vista, just to verify the OS is 64 bit. Some people use the 32 bit version, because they run older (MSDOS) era programs. The 64 bit OS runs 64 bit and 32 bit programs. The 32 bit OS runs 32 bit and 16 bit programs. The System control panel will mention "64" in the text, if it is a 64 bit OS. It won't say anything if the install is 32 bit. Your "clean install" with Win7, would allow selecting either of those choices. Your Win10 download, should match the "bitness" of the Win7 installation you are doing. So the Win7 step controls things here. And the Win7SP1 license key you've got, will work with either 32 bit or 64 bit media. One license covers both. Paul Thanks Paul. I know the wife's Vista machine will run Win7 x64. My present Win7 x32 machine will run Win10 x32/x64, or at least it was offered via the task bar icon shown before (I did hide / kill the Win10 KB file) for the moment. Say I format "my" present machine, do a clean install of Win10 -- do I really need a Win7 product key? I can put off messing with my wife's Vista x64, but I do know it will run Win7 x64. Hope I have not been confusing. I am experienced. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 10:27:21 -0600, Ken1943 wrote:
Read this web site before installing. Windows 10 really invades your privacy. Yes. I aware of that. Thanks. "Microsoft’s Windows 10 software has some features that can certainly be considered an invasion of privacy, and they’re enabled by default." Article: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/08/05/stop-windows-10-spying-dead-in-its-tracks-with-one-free-app/?intcmp=hphz08 Here is a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configu Disable telemetry Disable Biometrics Disable handwriting data disclosure Disable handwriting Error Reporting Disable Application Telemetry Disable Inventory Collector Disable Steps Recorder Disable lock screen camera settings Deactivate and reset Cortana Disable localization Disable sensors Disable Web search Disable Windows Media DRM Internet access Activate postponing upgrades Disable app notifications Disable Password button ads Stopping and resetting the advertising ID Disable SmartScreen filter for URLs Disable sending write information Disable access to language list Disable app access to localization Disable app access to camera Disable app access to microphone Disable acquaintance Disable app access to user accounts info Disable app access to calendar Disable app access to messages Disable app access to wireless connections Disable app access to Uncoupled devices Disable prompts Feedback Disabling Windows Update distribution Disable Windows Update for other products Disable WiFi Sense Disable Windows Defender Disable automatic Windows Updates Deactivate OneDrive Disable Automatic Driver Updates |
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Oren wrote:
Thanks Paul. I know the wife's Vista machine will run Win7 x64. My present Win7 x32 machine will run Win10 x32/x64, or at least it was offered via the task bar icon shown before (I did hide / kill the Win10 KB file) for the moment. Say I format "my" present machine, do a clean install of Win10 -- do I really need a Win7 product key? I can put off messing with my wife's Vista x64, but I do know it will run Win7 x64. Hope I have not been confusing. I am experienced. The free upgrade is from Win7SP1 x32 or x64 (all five versions) to Win10 x32 or x64 (maps to two versions) Win8.1 x32 or x64 (two versions) to Win10 x32 or x64 (maps to two versions) There is no option to do anything with Vista as such. Or WinXP. They're too old for this offer. You can also buy Win10 for $149 or $249 (Home or Pro). And end up not really knowing whether your hardware is suited to such an installation or not. Win7 is relatively free of hardware dependencies. Win8 had three hardware requirements. Win8.1 added three more hardware requirements. Win10 would have the same (total) six hardware requirements of Win 8.1. One poster here (Al Drake), tried to upgrade a computer with a processor (E6800) which is "past" the P4 generation. I thought for sure it would work. Yet, the CMPXCHG16b instruction is claimed to be missing, and even though it's highly likely the processor actually has the instruction, it doesn't matter, as the check the installer on the DVD does, is all that matters. There are x32 and x64 issues with these, so the requirements should probably have separate lists for x32 and x64. For example, I don't think PAE is used on a x64 install, but I could be wrong. PAE - Physical address extension, for NX bit support. PAE is used, because the translation table definition leaves room for them to store an NX bit in the table. Not sure this applies to 64 bit installs. NX - Prevents malware from writing to code space. Can be disabled in the BIOS. SSE2 - Instruction set extension, used extensively for block data movement. PrefetchW - "Prefetch at least a 32-byte line into L1 data cache" Possibly created by a cache hint pragma in source code. CMPXCHG16b - "allows for atomic operations on octal words" "perform a 128-bit locked compare and exchange" (The processor may be 64 bit, but you're doing a 128 bit operation in an uninterruptible way.) Some AMD64 lacked this. Coreinfo abbreviation is different. LAHF/SAHF - "LAHF stands for Load AH from Flags and SAHF stands for Store AH into Flags." "used for... floating-point condition handling" You can use Coreinfo from Sysinternals, to read out some of those. NX can be disabled in the BIOS, and on retail motherboards, you check the BIOS setting before starting the installation. It's not likely to be turned off, but you never know until you get there. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...rnals/cc835722 Paul |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:49:14 -0700, Oren wrote:
Here is a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configu That's a /lot/ of disabling. Is W10 really worth it? -- s|b |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:43:18 +0200, "s|b" wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:49:14 -0700, Oren wrote: Here is a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configu That's a /lot/ of disabling. Is W10 really worth it? Good point. But, I'm an adventurous individual. If an App can help. It doesn't need so much manual effort. Not that I think the App is a proven solution for the moment. I'd like to play with Win10 before I could offer help to those that have asked me so early. |
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Win 10 clean install
Oren wrote on 08/07/2015 12:08 PM:
First time posting here. Does the clean install need or use the Product key for/from Win7/8 or is a new one included in the Win10 ISO? I'd like to move my wife's Vista to Win7 with the Product key I have. Saving it, and doing a clean install on that machine with my Win7 SP1 ISO. Thanks for your advice. A clean install using the free media created from the MSFT Media Creation Tool can only be performed after the qualifying o/s (7/8x) has been upgraded to Windows 10. The clean install using the above noted media --- *****Will Not Accept a product key from any edition of Windows 7 or Windows 8**** -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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s|b posted this
via : On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:49:14 -0700, Oren wrote: Here is a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configu That's a /lot/ of disabling. Is W10 really worth it? Yes. If folks might recall, the Windows9x series had a bunch of default settings which needed to be adjusted as well. Some were big-time security issues... I wouldn't recommend using DoNotSpy10... yet... The settings are numerous, but accessable - and MANY articles are available to help adjust and tweak these settings. It may be useful to learn how to undo/redo these settings manually - and someone just might find some of these settings useful... http://windows.wonderhowto.com/inspi...-need-disable- windows-10-0163552/ or: http://tinyurl.com/p8gn4ot Windows 10 has a lot of features which cross-over platforms like tablets, etc., where folks might find "convenient" what we'd call "privacy issues". There's a lot of good articles out there with advise how to configure to your preferences... Nothing is particularly "urgent"... and if you've been flying with Win7/8/8.1, most things should be relatively intuitive - or, at least, relatively easy to adapt. Windows Edge is the typical example which I'd cite... IOW, It comes loaded as the default browser. It's VERY FAST!... but it's VERY CRIPPLED for most users who have been surfing for a while... Microsoft likely wanted to introduce it rather than substitute it for IE. After all, Edge is only an app, whereas IE, as well as Firefox, et-al, are full-fledged browsers... The point here is that all you have to do, is change your default to whichever browser you prefer; then you can un-pin Edge from the task bar and Start tiles, and pin IE or Firefox to the Start tiles and/or taskbar... then if you later change your preferences, just reverse the process. Some of the access to settings are a little daunting at first, but all-in- all, Windows 10 is a lot more user-friendly and adaptable than were Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 (IMO)... and just think, this is only the initial release! Microsoft seems committed to listening to the feedback and tweaking the features in future updates. YMMV -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and, It's like Yogi Berra always used to say: "The future ain't what it used to be!" http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq |
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On 08 Aug 2015 14:38:44 GMT, Bucky Breeder wrote:
8 selective snip 8 Some of the access to settings are a little daunting at first, but all-in- all, Windows 10 is a lot more user-friendly and adaptable than were Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 (IMO)... and just think, this is only the initial release! Microsoft seems committed to listening to the feedback and tweaking the features in future updates. I just read on a forum W10 users agree on this: quote - we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. - Microsoft collects and uses data about your speech, inking (handwriting), and typing on Windows devices - we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary /quote Collets data on my typing... what!? I wouldn't consider that to be user-friendly... -- s|b |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:43:18 +0200, "s|b" wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:49:14 -0700, Oren wrote: Here is a full list of the settings DoNotSpy10 can currently configu That's a /lot/ of disabling. Is W10 really worth it? It reminds me of when XP was unleashed on the masses, most all ports open at install. What is good for a home user is not meant to compare what corporations wanted. Home users had no idea of being so vulnerable or how to stop it. |
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s|b posted this via
: On 08 Aug 2015 14:38:44 GMT, Bucky Breeder wrote: 8 selective snip 8 Some of the access to settings are a little daunting at first, but all-in- all, Windows 10 is a lot more user-friendly and adaptable than were Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 (IMO)... and just think, this is only the initial release! Microsoft seems committed to listening to the feedback and tweaking the features in future updates. I just read on a forum W10 users agree on this: quote - we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames. - Microsoft collects and uses data about your speech, inking (handwriting), and typing on Windows devices - we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary /quote Collets data on my typing... what!? I wouldn't consider that to be user-friendly... How difficult is it to put your cursor on that switch and turn it off? Have we become the spoiled and entitled generation? I do have servants that do this for me... but, *I* must make the executive decisions! HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and, It's like Yogi Berra always used to say: "The future ain't what it used to be!" http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq |
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Wolf K posted this via
: On 2015-08-08 15:48, s|b wrote: I just read on a forum W10 users agree on this: quote [...] - we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary /quote That last paragraph tells you they won't fight requests from "security agencies" that want data about you. Or anybody that's willing to pay for the data. Have a good day, I think "that last paragraph" is to protect themselves from folks who are using Windows to distribute pirated Windows... like in the heyday of WinXP pirating before they initiated activation, verification, WGA, et-al.... As well as ISIS and other terrorists who are plotting mass murders and other WMD events at shopping centers and movie theaters... Since I don't do any of that, I'm not too concerned because if I want to be a terrorist, well, let's just say I wouldn't blast about it all over the interwebs. Arrrghhh... If I'm in a pirating mood, I just use Ubuntu... Shiver me timbers. Those guys are the ones the NSAs should be watching. Look, shopping centers have camera surveillance. Does that mean you stop buying groceries and start your own self-sufficient garden in the backyard because you value your Constitutional Right to Privacy? Some people don't have backyards. And some people with backyards have swimming pools in them. And some people keep their kidnapped girls locked in sheds back there... Windows is just a tool. You use it for its intended purposes, and it'll all be OK. You gonna be a terrorist or a criminal, you need to learn to use the appropriate tools. HTH. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and, It's like Yogi Berra always used to say: "The future ain't what it used to be!" http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq |
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On 09 Aug 2015 14:31:03 GMT, Bucky Breeder wrote:
How difficult is it to put your cursor on that switch and turn it off? Have we become the spoiled and entitled generation? I do have servants that do this for me... but, *I* must make the executive decisions! I've been told you have to agree to these conditions or otherwise you can't install W10. Now you're saying you can disagree and still install the thing? -- s|b |
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On 09-Aug-2015 11:25, s|b wrote:
On 09 Aug 2015 14:31:03 GMT, Bucky Breeder wrote: How difficult is it to put your cursor on that switch and turn it off? Have we become the spoiled and entitled generation? I do have servants that do this for me... but, *I* must make the executive decisions! I've been told you have to agree to these conditions or otherwise you can't install W10. Now you're saying you can disagree and still install the thing? You were told wrong. If you don't choose *Express install* you can turn just about everything off. |
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