Windows 10 update fall 2019

I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update
in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?


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They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update
in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?

That seems a reasonable assumption.

What other OSes do you have handy ?

This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7.

The problem is not dreaming up ideas to delay Win10 Upgrade.
The problem is giving you a solution which is *guaranteed*
to work. The OS does as it pleases, leaving you to
clean up the mess.

For example, there was the "NoOSUpgrade" registry setting,
used to prevent the free upgrade from Win7-to-Win10 via
Windows Update. Do you think that would work today if set ?
Of course not. Microsoft would use whatever weasel-words
are appropriate, to ensure their Upgrade comes in. There
are other GPEDIT things regarding Windows Updates and
Upgrades, but the time spans involved probably are not
long enough to suit your situation. The GPEDIT values
are intended for "interactive" usage, where a user does
not want to be bothered by downtime on a week or one month basis.

Whereas Windows 7, with Windows Update switch to the OFF
position, could embark on a six month mission if you
choose to do so.

Remember that these are consumer computers, consumer grade
OSes, consumer grade designs, not ultra-reliable. If the
computer is running the security system and your IP webcams,
you have to consider a memory leak could be present in
the main application, and something could crash or need
to be restarted. No $50 UPS remains running for every
power outage. (A Tesla PowerWall or equivalent can probably
take you past a day, with a single computer plugged into it.)
Designing a setup you can trust, is not trivial.

You can set the BIOS to "power up on power restoration",
so that the machine restarts itself after a power failure.
You can put the main task in the Startup Items, so it
restarts. A smart design (if you're writing the code
yourself), is to "checkpoint" the computation, so the
computation can be picked up from where it left off.
Maybe running a security system and transferring IP cams,
doesn't need checkpoints, but, you get the idea.

On business machines, with Intel Management Engine, it's
possible to remotely connect to the machine and ask it
to reset itself. Even a crashed machine with Management
Engine, can be restarted, due to the microcontroller
in the chipset that "listens" on the Intel dual-head NIC.
The Qxx chipsets have features like that. Management Engine
is a bitch from a maintenance perspective, so this remains
a loopy suggestion for a home user :-/

Make sure your C: is large enough, so that between
remote logins to check on it, that it cannot run out
of space. Maybe a 6TB hard drive would help (hoping that
from a reliability perspective, it might last longer
than a 12TB or 14TB unit). Enterprise drives are rated
for 24x7x365 operation. Pick one with good reviews. If
you used a 128GB SSD for the boot drive, some files
written by the OS could use up the space relatively
rapidly.

If you disconnected the network cable... you could
use any OS you wanted. But that's not what people want.
That security system isn't going to run itself.

Paul

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 07:28:22 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Keith
Nuttle wrote:

I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update
in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?

Oh god, I hope not. I'm so six of a six-month release cycle. Plus, 1903
is supposed to make that optional for a year, IIRC. I believe now you can
miss every other feature release by choice.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909 update
in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?


You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive
computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use
cloud compute.

On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909
update in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?


You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive
computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use
cloud compute.

OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.

--
Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours.
They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would be a Windows 10 1909
update in the next couple of months.

Is there going to be an Windows 10 update in the last quarter of 2019?


You probably shouldn't be using a desktop OS for your "intensive
computer work" if a software update is an issue. Dual-boot linux or use
cloud compute.

OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.


Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.

On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote:
ThisÂ*soundsÂ*likeÂ*aÂ*perfectÂ*jobÂ*forÂ*Windows *7.

I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus
(ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something
forces them off it.

I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS
and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just
go to something else, not add value to what is already working.
So no XP+ or Super W7.

T wrote:
On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote:
This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7.

I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus
(ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something
forces them off it.

I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS
and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just
go to something else, not add value to what is already working.
So no XP+ or Super W7.


If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't
you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the
"new improved widget". Even though there aren't any
improvements to be seen ?

Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you
that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ?

Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it.
And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business
plan with that as an end-goal.

I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't
exactly useful.

Paul

On 9/6/19 6:11 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 9/3/19 8:12 AM, Paul wrote:
This sounds like a perfect job for Windows 7.

I tell my Windows 7 customers to just get a good Antivirus
(ESET, Kaspersky) and stay on Windows 7 until something
forces them off it.

I can't help but notice that as soon as M$ cleans up an OS
and gets it working well (well, well for M$), that they just
go to something else, not add value to what is already working.
So no XP+ or Super W7.


If you were "making money by selling widgets", wouldn't
you have your marketing folks beat the hell out of the
"new improved widget". Even though there aren't any
improvements to be seen ?

Does the Fuller Brush man make a lot of money by telling you
that "you can use the old brush I sold you last year" ?

Windows 10 would be fine, if we had more control over it.
And that simply isn't going to happen. There's no business
plan with that as an end-goal.

I can "gut" Windows 10 for you, but the end-result isn't
exactly useful.

Â*Â* Paul

Why they don't build on what they have and what their
customers like, is beyond me.

How about a Real Windows Nein. No Spying, no forced updates,
no tiles, no tablet integration, no One Drive, no Web Accounts,
no fast boot, no Skype, no Edge, no cortina ... A true
Windows "No".

"Window Nein says 'no' to s***ty Windows! Windows No, the Best
Windows Ever!" You think the marketing weasels will go for it?
What ??? Hey, I can fantasize.

"Chris" wrote in message
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would
OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.


Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.

Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

RHB wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message
...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would
OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.

Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.

Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

I have an OS frozen at 16299.125.

It no longer gets Windows Defender updates. That's bad.

It no longer gets OS Upgrades. That's good.

The OS is unhappy, and wastes part of a CPU core as punishment.
That's not so good.

With a suitable sledge hammer, yes, you can make an OS out of it.

It's about as dangerous as running Windows 98 would be today.
You're "exposed" from a security theater perspective, that's for sure.

While the OS has GPEdit policies to delay updates or upgrades
for short periods of time, this does *not* constitute "control",
because there could still be cases with those applied, where
your work is interrupted. There is no convenient control that
says "stop doing updates and upgrades forever". We are not
given that kind of control of the computer. The computer
is basically a "terminal on a mainframe", as its control model
via Windows 10. And this is all part of a Cloud business model.
Which is intended to be a Rent Model. It's like, instead of
owning a family car, you drive a UHaul all day.

Paul

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 01:01:56 -0400, "RHB" wrote:


"Chris" wrote in message
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Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.

Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

I have a way, but it's not popular and perhaps not even practical in
many cases. I run all of my important work on Windows 7 because it just
works. I also run multiple VMs on Windows 7, and some of those VMs are
Windows 10. I run things that I don't care about on the Win 10 VMs.

RHB wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would
OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.


Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.

Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

Man. That's annoying! Not happened to me yet.

Chris wrote:
RHB wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message
...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 9/5/2019 7:55 AM, Chris wrote:
On 03/09/2019 12:28, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am scheduling some jobs that will require intensive computer work.

One of the big thinks in that schedule would
OP Maybe intensive was an overstatement. My computer "work" consist of
research, word processing and spreadsheets. While it is frustrating to
have to break into a project to do an upgrade, what I use the computer
for does not stress the CPU, memory, or hard disk.

Ah, well in that case you can schedule that update to suit your timescale.
A little trick is to set your network connection as "metered" and windows
won't automatically update.
Yes it will. I happened to me. The update started in the middle of something
important and just cut me off, updated for awhile, rebooted and my work was
lost when I turned the LT with W-10 back on. It just took over the
computer. I was furious! I was on metered connection. If you have some way
to stop that from happening I would love to read it.

Man. That's annoying! Not happened to me yet.


I had a week-long compute run, interrupted about
3 hours into the run with a "you'll need to reboot
within the next 24 hours". It made sense to lose
3 hours work and reboot right away, than lose 27 hours
work when it reboots on its own. The week-long compute run
was the preparation of a panoramic image from ~70 overlapping
images. The software has this horrible "paging out" mechanism,
where the work is done at the blistering pace of 1MB/sec
by the software. That's why it takes a week.

I pulled the network cable out of the machine, to
ensure the week-long run would finish. After my reboots
were done. (You do extra reboots, just in case it has
more reboots planned.) You can never have enough reboots
at a time like that.

Paul

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 11:22:26 -0400, Paul wrote:

I had a week-long compute run, interrupted about
3 hours into the run with a "you'll need to reboot
within the next 24 hours". It made sense to lose
3 hours work and reboot right away, than lose 27 hours
work when it reboots on its own. The week-long compute run
was the preparation of a panoramic image from ~70 overlapping
images. The software has this horrible "paging out" mechanism,
where the work is done at the blistering pace of 1MB/sec
by the software. That's why it takes a week.

I pulled the network cable out of the machine, to
ensure the week-long run would finish. After my reboots
were done. (You do extra reboots, just in case it has
more reboots planned.) You can never have enough reboots
at a time like that.

And that's why Windows 7 is still my primary Windows OS.
Sometimes Win 10 is merely annoying; other times it's even worse.