I'm almost ready to go back to W7

On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something here?

You're missing about a decade of changes that make W10 quite a different
OS than Win7. The cause of your delays are most likely due to processes,
apps, and optional settings that have your computer doing more work in
the background than you are "up front", and the only way to get a handle
on that is to learn about how to optimize those aspects.

So, I would recommend that you do so or change to another OS, since
Windows will not be going back to earlier versions.

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best regards,

Neil

On 3/12/20 3:45 PM, this is what Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

Try a clean install. Upgrades can be messy.

They have a tendency to carry extra baggage that screws things up.
Wrong drivers maybe?

Al

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:10:14 -0400
Art Todesco wrote:

On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of
things to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.
In several programs I will be typing along and find that the screen
is 5 or 10 letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.
Just clicking on a button, which used to happen instantly, now
takes 2 or 3 second and sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I
missing something here?
The PC is a 3.2G 6 core AMD processor with 8G RAM. I did do the
upgrade and not a clean install. That might be something to try when
I have a few days to do all the re-installations of all the programs,
etc.

Do like I did about six years ago. Move to Linux Mint.
If you have never used a Linux operating system, I would recommend
Linux Mint Mate 19.3. You will find it similar to Windows 7.

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3833

With a good Internet connection, the operating system can be installed
and upgraded in about twenty five minutes.

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10. I got a new computer
a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed. Before I started
the computer the first time, I inserted a USB flash drive with Linux
Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

On 12/03/2020 21:24, Johnny wrote:
Do like I did about six years ago. Move to Linux Mint.



Really? So now you must have plenty of time doing nothing except to
waste time trolling on Windows 10 Newsgroup.

My golly! Idleness must be killing you.






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With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 12/03/2020 21:03, Big Al wrote:

They have a tendency to carry extra baggage that screws things up.
Wrong drivers maybe?



Look the idiot has spoken here. He's worried about drivers.




--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 3/12/2020 12:45 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

Try a clean install. Upgrades can be messy.



Can be? Yes.

Is likely to be? No.

Your advice is a decade or so old. It used to be good advice. It seldom
is these days.


--
Ken

On 11 Mar 2020, Art Todesco wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of
things to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.
In several programs I will be typing along and find that the
screen is 5 or 10 letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging
behind. Just clicking on a button, which used to happen
instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and sometimes even more. Why
bother. Am I missing something here?

It's likely that different combinations of hardware will react
differently, but my experience has been that Windows 10 usually runs as
well or almost as well as Windows 7 on the same hardware. I used to
have one of those cheapo Netbooks that flooded the market for a while.
It was a convenient form factor, but very underpowered. Just for the
hell of it, I let it take advantage of the upgrade from 7 to 10, and I
was surprised to find that its performance was just a little bit worse
than it's original 7. It did not lag like you describe.

Point being that your symptoms are not normal. I can't recommend
anything specific without seeing your system but as a last resort a
clean re-install might put things right.

Big Al wrote:
On 3/12/20 3:45 PM, this is what Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of
things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just
clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3
second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est
drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

Try a clean install. Upgrades can be messy.

They have a tendency to carry extra baggage that screws things up.
Wrong drivers maybe?

Al

On an upgrade install, C:\Windows becomes C:\Windows.old.

There is a Migration procedure for building a new installation.

Perhaps Program Files are re-installed (using installers
collected by the previous OS). Program Files which don't
make it, are stored in Windows.old too. This means that
Windows.old is not a "pure" folder as such.

Some in-box drivers are installed early in the process.
Things like AHCI SATA drivers, USB class drivers, those
are things that will be on the DVD. A certain number of other
drivers are downloaded from Windows Update. You will see a
notification "searching for video driver" perhaps, in
the lower right hand corner after the final reboot. The video
driver could be a replacement for the VESA driver the
OS uses when it doesn't have the proprietary driver at hand.

The Registry will have major sections removed. I'm sure
there's some stuff that is kept. As otherwise, how could
this process screw up ? :-) They have to leave some things
unchanged, as a challenge.

I have a suspicion this problem is related to the usage
of an AMD processor, as Microsoft always seems to shaft
AMD processors when it comes to the OS process scheduler.

I'd try stuff like using the Power control panel and selecting
the High Performance schema. And also checking the CPU temperature
and making sure it's not in "thermal throttle" country.

But first, we need a precise hardware inventory, and do a
bit of Googling for hints. Lots of specific CPU models out
there have bread crumbs we could profit from. Like the
Intel processor that is really Windows 10 compatible,
but the installer logic gets a wrong static value from the
CPU flags, which prevents installation. Dumb stuff like that.
They could fix that if they wanted to. Or the Intel processor
that used a third-party GPU (like smart phones use), and the
maker of the GPU intellectual property only ever provided
one driver for it. Which dooms the hardware to a "short life".

Paul

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:11:07 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

I have an Acer Aspire One. It has an Atom processor and 1 gig RAM.
Windows 10 will run on it but it struggles.
I now have Windows 7 on it and it's happy.
Everything runs on the Acer except the battery condition meter.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:24:33 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10. I got a new computer
a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed. Before I started
the computer the first time, I inserted a USB flash drive with Linux
Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

So you threw away several tens of dollars in license fees. If you
really wanted to use the features of Mint, you could try it in a
virtual machine, Win10 runs them well.

On 03/13/2020 05:25 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:24:33 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10. I got a new computer
a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed. Before I started
the computer the first time, I inserted a USB flash drive with Linux
Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

So you threw away several tens of dollars in license fees.

Yeah. Johnny did that by simply buying a new computer.

If you
really wanted to use the features of Mint, you could try it in a
virtual machine, Win10 runs them well.

He's well past trying it.

"Do like I did about six years ago. Move to Linux Mint."

On 3/13/20 4:09 PM, this is what Sea wrote:
On 03/13/2020 05:25 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:24:33 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10.Â* I got a new computer
a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed.Â* Before I started
the computer the first time, I inserted a USB flash drive with Linux
Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

So you threw away several tens of dollars in license fees.

Yeah. Johnny did that by simply buying a new computer.

If you
really wanted to use the features of Mint, you could try it in a
virtual machine, Win10 runs them well.

He's well past trying it.

"Do like I did about six years ago.Â* Move to Linux Mint."
He should have at least imaged the Win 10 drive so he could go back.
You never know.

+1 on Mint. I've been on it for 4 years now. Dual booted trying to
see how many day to day things I could do, then after about 4 weeks I
found there wasn't much I needed Windows for. I keep it around just in
case.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:57:23 -0400
Big Al wrote:

On 3/13/20 4:09 PM, this is what Sea wrote:
On 03/13/2020 05:25 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:24:33 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10.Â* I got a new
computer a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed.
Before I started the computer the first time, I inserted a USB
flash drive with Linux Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

So you threw away several tens of dollars in license fees.

Yeah. Johnny did that by simply buying a new computer.

If you
really wanted to use the features of Mint, you could try it in a
virtual machine, Win10 runs them well.

He's well past trying it.

"Do like I did about six years ago.Â* Move to Linux Mint."
He should have at least imaged the Win 10 drive so he could go back.
You never know.

+1 on Mint. I've been on it for 4 years now. Dual booted trying
to see how many day to day things I could do, then after about 4
weeks I found there wasn't much I needed Windows for. I keep it
around just in case.


I started using Linux Mint at version 15, that was 2014, I have no
need for Windows. I don't even like looking at it.

Microsoft started off good with Windows 95,98 and 2000 professional,
and gradually turned their excellent operating system into a piece of
****.

I don't know why anyone would waste their time with it, unless they are
forced to use it at work.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:19:41 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I don't know why anyone would waste their time with it, unless they are
forced to use it at work.

I'm not forced to use it but I sell hundreds of items of Windows
software while I've only sold one on a Unix derivative operating
system.

Steve

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http://www.npsnn.com

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:57:23 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 3/13/20 4:09 PM, this is what Sea wrote:
On 03/13/2020 05:25 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:24:33 -0500, Johnny wrote:

I have no regrets and would never use Windows 10.* I got a new computer
a few days ago that came with Windows 10 installed.* Before I started
the computer the first time, I inserted a USB flash drive with Linux
Mint on it, and installed it immediately.

So you threw away several tens of dollars in license fees.

Yeah. Johnny did that by simply buying a new computer.

If you
really wanted to use the features of Mint, you could try it in a
virtual machine, Win10 runs them well.

He's well past trying it.

"Do like I did about six years ago.* Move to Linux Mint."

He should have at least imaged the Win 10 drive so he could go back.
You never know.

It's not too late. He can reinstall Windows 10 and Microsoft will
automatically validate it.