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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 8:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. Thanks for the information as well as the informative post you made right before this one. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:43:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month or two and let the early adopter find all the problems. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Ashton Crusher wrote:
Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month or two and let the early adopter find all the problems. *Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview. If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what you're getting for the money. Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny", is not a reason... Letting the early adopters test it, in lieu of running Win10 Preview now, will give at least some warnings and help you better prepare. I'm sure there will be some funny and tragic tales. Like the individuals who still don't know what a backup is, and refuse to use one before the upgrade. I'm sure there'll be at least one "someone help me, I lost my Windows 7!" story. We still don't know what policy will be in place a year from now, with regard to 10.x. Maybe financially, jumping off the older OSes just isn't worth it. If this is such a big win for the users, then it should be easy to describe the future policy for all to see. And we're still being kept in the dark. I can wait... Paul |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny", is not a reason... I agree, but I would make a simple change to that statement: Going from 7 -- 10 because "oooh shiny", is not a reason... The date is really irrelevant, IMHO. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
Ashton Crusher wrote: Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month or two and let the early adopter find all the problems. *Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview. If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what you're getting for the money. Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny", is not a reason... I had Win 8 for a while and went back to 7, not because of a win8 problem but because of computer changes. But while I had 8 installed, which was for about a month, after the first few days I didn't have any problem with Win8 and actually liked a few things about it better then 7. I did not like the "look and feel" of it however. It's "Windows" compared to the refined look of Win7 "windows", where clunky and ill proportioned. Has Win10 improved aesthetically at all compared to Win8 or do the still use those horrible blocky, no transparency window borders with the ill fitting fonts? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's their services device. Some people will like the new approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has been a hard sell. People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. If you sign up then MS gets your email address and personal info. You become one of their spied-on services customers. But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special offers". You won't even be able to choose about whether to have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10 services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual transition from selling to renting and from software to services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed they need to get people used to the idea that while you might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed: someone who thanks them for exploiting you. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 5:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
In addition to the other reasons people have listed, Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's their services device. Some people will like the new approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has been a hard sell. Lie, no evidence cited. People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. If you sign up then MS gets your email address and personal info. You become one of their spied-on services customers. But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special offers". Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How shocking! You won't even be able to choose about whether to have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10 services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual transition from selling to renting and from software to services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed they need to get people used to the idea that while you might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed: someone who thanks them for exploiting you. So I'm crippled because I play the music I purchased from iTunes five years after the fact within MediaMonkey with iTunes not even being installed? Another lie from a free software advocate. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How | shocking! | If you're going to call people liars you could at least have the common sense and the decency to explain your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you perhaps a Microsoft shill? Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple: Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the social duty of anyone who knows something about what's going on to share that with people who don't. If you really care about facts you can check out what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself is talking services, and numerous sites have reported that you won't be able to control updates in Win10. If you think that's all made up then why do *you* think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8? Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop directly? |
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On 2015-06-01 6:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How | shocking! | If you're going to call people liars you could at least have the common sense and the decency to explain your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you perhaps a Microsoft shill? Sure, tell me which one of the lies you uttered you'd like for me to provide more information on. I have a plethora of links I would love to provide you if you insist on defending your fabrication. Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple: Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the social duty of anyone who knows something about what's going on to share that with people who don't. Your message also demonstrates that you're not in the habit of using recent hardwa X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending Linux which has a distribution for your old configuration should you decide that Windows is no longer doing its job for you. If you really care about facts you can check out what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself is talking services, and numerous sites have reported that you won't be able to control updates in Win10. If you think that's all made up then why do *you* think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8? Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop directly? I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern interface and abandon the older desktop. After all, the modern interface allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on tablets and phones, it would have become very familiar to users in the long run had their gamble been successful. However, as the Start button debacle has shown, people are resistant to change. After all, there's a reason why the majority of Linux window manager and desktop environments use the Start button as well. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending | Linux Where do you get this defending Linux stuff? You're just making things up and jumping to conclusions out of thin air. That's jumping to another rash conclusion: I built this box about 2 years ago. It's not old at all. I just prefer XP to Win7 and I'm used to OE. (How is it that you were able to figure out that I'm using OE6 and yet you didn't know that indicated XP? Did you really think Outlook Express was Linux software? Or do you just think that everyone you disagree with is some sort of Linux bogeyman?) XP does what I need. I have a dual-CPU Win7-64 hotrod in the other room. I use it mostly to test software and when friends need Win7 help. We also have a Win7-32 laptop. That's also handy for testing. I write Windows software so I need to have test boxes to check for NT6 issues. But personally I don't need the hassle of all the extra bloat, restrictions and complications that Win7 added. And so far I haven't found anything that I actually need Win7 for. But someday I might switch to Win7. It's not entirely unsalveageable. and it might look pretty good if it's the only choice left other than Win10 and MacOS. | I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that | Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern | interface and abandon the older desktop. So what? What does it matter what the Microsofties want? If Ford tells you they want you driving a tractor, will you buy one? | After all, the modern interface | allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple | from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on | tablets and phones, Yes, it's for tablets and phones. It didn't belong on a Desktop or laptop computer. There's no sense having a Desktop if one is going to use only sandboxed trinket apps and online services. The only reason for putting Metro on Win8 at all (much less the bizarre design of forcing people to boot into Metro) was to attempt herding Windows customers, en masse, to Microsoft online services. It's not about people being resistant to change. Metro is an entirely irrelevant item blocking the Windows Desktop. The best praise I've ever heard from Win8 fans is that Metro can be blocked with 3rd-party software if desired. There's a thread right now in the home repair group, with an elderly woman who says she has Vista and Win8, but she finds Win8 difficult to use. Of course she does! It's a marketing monstrosity more than it's an operating system. What do you tell to people like that? They should just get used to it because that's "where Microsoft wants them to go today"? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer wrote: People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical reason for that to be an automatic update. Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an automatic update because it is necessary to the user. Evidence cited. KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to check the box. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 8:52 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Zaghadka wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer wrote: People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical reason for that to be an automatic update. Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an automatic update because it is necessary to the user. Evidence cited. KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to check the box. A big "whoops" to Zaghadka. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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