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On 2020-03-16 17:37, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote

| The latest is that outlook.com's pdf viewer won't open
| the print dialog in firefox.
|
I can't even imagine why anyone needs to view a
PDF through a browser, much less print it, much less
use a custom feature to do that that's rigged by
Microsoft....

But it is interesting. I don't do much interactive online.
I hadn't heard of people having troubble with FF. Which
makes me wonder if that might be a deliberate move by
MS: Take down the enemy one at a time. Now that Edge
is Chrome it makes sense that they could get away with
breaking FF compatibility. I'm curious whether other people
are finding the same thing.

I've long been dumbfounded by the success of Chrome,
but I've assumed that's mostly because so many people
use gmail and Chrome probably integrates well with it. I
suppose Android users probably also get it foisted on
them. Just like IE in earlier days.




Oh hell, I see it all the time. Vendors are always
eMailing invoices as PDF's.

Brave will allow you to automatically download (save
to disk) a PDF, but will not give you the option of
starting an external viewer. Vivaldi will. So
will Firefox, but Firefox usually won't work on
business to business sites, especially government
portals

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I can't even imagine why anyone needs to view a
PDF through a browser, much less print it, much less
use a custom feature to do that that's rigged by
Microsoft....

much easier than downloading the pdf, opening it and then deleting it.

not all pdfs need to be saved. most do not.

"T" wrote

| Oh hell, I see it all the time. Vendors are always
| eMailing invoices as PDF's.
|

I do that myself. I'm not talking about using PDF.
I'm talking about there's no need to open PDF in a browser.
And it's potentially risky. And a custom function at
outlook.com? I'm guessing that opens it in your
installed copy of MS Office? None of that has anything
to do with rendering webpages.

| Brave will allow you to automatically download (save
| to disk) a PDF, but will not give you the option of
| starting an external viewer. Vivaldi will. So
| will Firefox, but Firefox usually won't work on
| business to business sites, especially government
| portals

I don't see the big deal. If I want to open a PDF I
probably want to download it. Then I'll open it in Sumatra
for safety. The idea of treating a PDF like a webpage
link was one of Adobe's many scams in their repeated
attempts to own the Web as a proprietary format.
(PDF. Flash. AIR.) There's just no reason for PDFs to
open in a browser.

On 2020-03-16 20:47, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote

| Oh hell, I see it all the time. Vendors are always
| eMailing invoices as PDF's.
|

I do that myself. I'm not talking about using PDF.
I'm talking about there's no need to open PDF in a browser.
And it's potentially risky. And a custom function at
outlook.com? I'm guessing that opens it in your
installed copy of MS Office? None of that has anything
to do with rendering webpages.

| Brave will allow you to automatically download (save
| to disk) a PDF, but will not give you the option of
| starting an external viewer. Vivaldi will. So
| will Firefox, but Firefox usually won't work on
| business to business sites, especially government
| portals

I don't see the big deal. If I want to open a PDF I
probably want to download it. Then I'll open it in Sumatra
for safety. The idea of treating a PDF like a webpage
link was one of Adobe's many scams in their repeated
attempts to own the Web as a proprietary format.
(PDF. Flash. AIR.) There's just no reason for PDFs to
open in a browser.



Outlook.com will allow you to download an attached
PDF, but you have to go and open it yourself through
the file system or through a PDF Reader File Open
dialog. This does not bother you or I as both of
us know how to use the file system, but some others
IT ****ES THE SNOT OUT OF THEM.

On Outlook.com's build in PDF viewer, the is a print
button to open a print dialog box to select printer,
etc.. The button is ignored in the current Firefox.

I have not had the best of luck with Adobe's PDF
Reader with Window Nein (W10). Now-a-days, I just
skip it and install Fox It Reader on my customer's
machines. And it comes with a nice print to PDF print
print driver.

I use PDF Studio and Master PDF viewer on my Linux
base machine. I will put put at times on customer's
machines when needed. PDF Studio has a function to
create dimensions, which is adored by customers
which read a lot of drawings. Master PDF has
the utility too, but I have not figured out how to
use it yet.

PDF Studio's downfall is that it only works on half
of my PDF's as it does not support Dynamic XFA.

I have not used Sumatra. I do carry a link to it on my
flash drive. And now that you recommend it, I need to look
at it some more.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:


| Oh hell, I see it all the time. Vendors are always
| eMailing invoices as PDF's.
|

I do that myself. I'm not talking about using PDF.
I'm talking about there's no need to open PDF in a browser.

there are many reasons to open a pdf in a browser, namely that it's
much more convenient, particularly for something that's not worth
keeping.

And it's potentially risky.

no more than anything else.


| Brave will allow you to automatically download (save
| to disk) a PDF, but will not give you the option of
| starting an external viewer. Vivaldi will. So
| will Firefox, but Firefox usually won't work on
| business to business sites, especially government
| portals

I don't see the big deal. If I want to open a PDF I
probably want to download it. Then I'll open it in Sumatra
for safety. The idea of treating a PDF like a webpage
link was one of Adobe's many scams in their repeated
attempts to own the Web as a proprietary format.

wrong.

adobe didn't come up with the idea of treating a pdf like a web page,
nor is pdf a proprietary format.

https://www.iso.org/standard/51502.html
Document management ‹ Portable document format ‹ Part 1: PDF 1.7

(PDF. Flash. AIR.) There's just no reason for PDFs to
open in a browser.

also wrong.

again, it's far more convenient than needing to download, then open it
in another app, and then delete it. rarely is it worth keeping.

"T" wrote

| I use PDF Studio and Master PDF viewer on my Linux
| base machine.

Whoa. Mr. Moneybags! You have two non-free
PDF programs?

| I have not used Sumatra. I do carry a link to it on my
| flash drive. And now that you recommend it, I need to look
| at it some more.

I wouldn't say I recommend it. It's very slow on
large PDFs. But it's simple. So it's lightweight and
safe. It doesn't even have javascript capabilities.
And at one point it wasn't much trouble for me to
recompile the source code, bypassing the function
that checks author permissions.

So I use Sumatra for most PDF reading and have
it set as default. But my usage of PDF is mostly
limited to the occasional scientific study I download,
or manuals for hardware.

If I need to make a PDF I make it in Libre Office.
Typically I'm sending a business receipt by email. I
use my .doc template and "export" as PDF. If I
need to edit I use PDF XChange Viewer, free version.
It handles fillable forms, can do comments, and can
handle import/export as image. So I can edit a non-
fillable form by exporting the page, editing in Paint
Shop Pro, then pasting it back in. But I really only do
those things once a year, with tax forms.

Aside from that I don't really deal with PDFs. I don't
like to read them. I have no reason to make them. In
fact I recently made my own utility as an HTA to
convert PDFs to HTML using the poppler package and
then reading them in an HTA window that provides
editing ability. But it's a limited solution. I've yet to
find anything that cleanly converts PDF to text. There
are always problems with reading the image data and
doing things like turning "o1" into "d". (Which is why I
had to design the HTA reader to double as an HTML editor.)

"Andreas Kohlbach" wrote

| All of that doesn't include the ad function, which tracks
| you browser history locally and then calls for ads based
| on that. If you allow the ads.
|
| Suppose that's a minor inconvenience. If you for example are logged in to
| Gmail (Google or any other of their services) ad blocking won't
| help.

I should say not! If you use gmail then you don't
care about privacy. If you stay logged into gmail then
I'm guessing that you've got a crush on Eric Schmidtt
and you want to make sure he can reach you.

All of this discussion about avoiding tracking and
calling home is assuming that you actually care about
privacy and don't want your software calling home.

| If you for example do a Google search, while logged in to Gmail, YouTube
| will suggest videos for that topic. No ad blocker can avoid this, because
| the data collection takes place on Google's servers.

Yes. I don't use any Google products, except occasionally
using Google search, with script disabled. I block a dozen or so
of their domains in my HOSTS file equivalent. (They *are* very
persistent slimeballs. Nearly every website has something
that allows Google to track an unprotected browser. Fonts.
Maps. Analytics. jquery. Google gives away all that stuff
and halfwit webmasters gladly use it.)

I was just reading
that Google has been setting up a corona info website
under Trump's direction. Even with that they can't bring
themselves to do the decent thing. According to the NYT,
they require a Google account to inquire about getting tested!

On 2020-03-17 06:52, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote

| I use PDF Studio and Master PDF viewer on my Linux
| base machine.

Whoa. Mr. Moneybags! You have two non-free
PDF programs?

I seriously do not mind paying for programs if
they are reasonably priced and the work well.
I pay for each every other year.

I create a lot of fill in forms and delete and
merge a lot of stuff.

Both have free editions too with reduced functionality.





| I have not used Sumatra. I do carry a link to it on my
| flash drive. And now that you recommend it, I need to look
| at it some more.

I wouldn't say I recommend it. It's very slow on
large PDFs. But it's simple. So it's lightweight and
safe. It doesn't even have javascript capabilities.
And at one point it wasn't much trouble for me to
recompile the source code, bypassing the function
that checks author permissions.

So I use Sumatra for most PDF reading and have
it set as default. But my usage of PDF is mostly
limited to the occasional scientific study I download,
or manuals for hardware.

If I need to make a PDF I make it in Libre Office.

It is a sweet utility.

Typically I'm sending a business receipt by email. I
use my .doc template and "export" as PDF. If I
need to edit I use PDF XChange Viewer, free version.
It handles fillable forms, can do comments, and can
handle import/export as image. So I can edit a non-
fillable form by exporting the page, editing in Paint
Shop Pro, then pasting it back in. But I really only do
those things once a year, with tax forms.

Aside from that I don't really deal with PDFs. I don't
like to read them. I have no reason to make them. In
fact I recently made my own utility as an HTA to
convert PDFs to HTML using the poppler package and
then reading them in an HTA window that provides
editing ability. But it's a limited solution. I've yet to
find anything that cleanly converts PDF to text. There
are always problems with reading the image data and
doing things like turning "o1" into "d". (Which is why I
had to design the HTA reader to double as an HTML editor.)

Both PDF Studio and Master PDF have OCR. Master PDF's
works much better than PDF Studio's.

PDF Studio has an export to M$ doc, but I have not
tried it.

On 2020-03-17 11:52, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

Dunno Brace. But with Chromiung (Chrome) or Firefox you can tell theses
to download a PDF file instead of displaying it. Suppose you can also
tell the Brave browser to do so.


Brave can download, but not automatically open in an
external viewer. Brave accepted the request from me
for them to include the feature just yesterday

On 17/03/2020 18:57, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
Am logged in to
Gmail

I never thought ANYONE of a computer literate nature would use gmail,
especially not on a web interface.

I had to have a gmail account for android, but I sure dont ever use
it,and its accessed via IMAP


--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 2020-03-18 01:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2020 18:57, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
Am logged in to
Gmail

I never thought ANYONE of a computer literate nature would use gmail,
especially not on a web interface.

I had to have a gmail account for android, but I sure dont ever use
it,and its accessed via IMAP



You have a favorite alternative that works with Thunderbird?

I have used zoho mail before, but they are a bunch of screw
ups.

On 18/03/2020 09:10, T wrote:
On 2020-03-18 01:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2020 18:57, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
Am logged in to
Gmail

I never thought ANYONE of a computer literate nature would use gmail,
especially not on a web interface.

I had to have a gmail account for android, but I sure dont ever use
it,and its accessed via IMAP



You have a favorite alternative that works with Thunderbird?

well thunderbird is how I access the dormant gmail account

As for my real mail - I run that myself on a virtual private linux
server - about $3.50 a month - using exim4 and POP...I have several
domains and an infinite number of possible email addresses.



I have used zoho mail before, but they are a bunch of screw
ups.


--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

"T" wrote

| I had to have a gmail account for android, but I sure dont ever use
| it,and its accessed via IMAP
|
| You have a favorite alternative that works with Thunderbird?
|
| I have used zoho mail before, but they are a bunch of screw
| ups.

Virtually anything should work with TBird. Some
require that you log in online periodically, but virtually
all will provide POP3/IMAP options.

But the problem is the same problem with any
freebie. They don't intend to give it to you for free,
so there are limitations. I've had various accounts
just to provide an address for junk. I think one was
inbox.com. Then they stopped the service. Then I
had Yandex. Ironically, the Russians were the only
company that would allow me to set up an account
without telling them my "real" email address. (How
loopy is that? To set up most free email you have to
tell them your email address!)

At some point Yandex dumped me for lack of
usage or some such. So now I just maintain some
email boxes for anyone who insists on having an
email address but from whom I have no intention of
receiving email.

Nearly everyone has an ISP. Nearly all ISPs provide
email. Or, if you set up a website with a decent service
(not budget stuff like dreamhost) then you'll get plenty
of fully functional email addresses. Then you can have
, rather than .
There's nothing so unprofessional looking as
or .

Gmail is easy if you rarely use a computer and access
email from numerous mobile devices. But even then, nearly
all email these days has a web interface option.

"Andreas Kohlbach" wrote

| As I said, if you use two browsers with one logged in to Gmail or any
| other Google service and the other not logged in while doing web searches
| with Google, they don't know it's the same user. Only the IP is the
| same.

Yes. The IP that google-analytics, googletagmanager,
*.googleapis.com, doubleclick, gstatic and so on are
getting in your "private" browser. Having a privacy
strategy with gmail is like storing your water supply in
a sieve.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

There's nothing so unprofessional looking as
or .

hotmail.com and aol.com are *much* worse, and they do exist.