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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
One argument against banning encryption has not been addressed. I personally think that this is the underlying desire to restrict encryption altogether. A totalitarian state cannot be set up and/or run if people have the ability to communicate privately. Although it does hinder cops from monitoring criminals, restricting encryption for crime fighting is actually a facade unto restrict private communications in order to enslave us into their desired totalitarian state. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/12/2018-encryption |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On 29/12/2018 02:35, Nomen Nescio wrote:
A totalitarian state cannot be set up and/or run if people have the ability to communicate privately. It can, but it makes it harder. -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
"Nomen Nescio" wrote
| | One argument against banning encryption has not been addressed. I | personally think that this is the underlying desire to restrict | encryption altogether. A totalitarian state cannot be set up and/or | run if people have the ability to communicate privately. You could make the case that when we need total encryption we already have degenerated to at least a police state. Or in the current case, it's degeneration into a hybrid surveillance state and corporate ownership. The interests of gov't spooks and corporate spies and access providers dovetail. There's not much other than common decency on the side of privacy. How do you protect people who suck at the nipple of Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Google, and who gladly let those companies run their lives? It's the ultimate control: Their lives are monitored, bought, sold, and manipulated, and they can't even be bothered to understand. Lately a few people have found it fashionable to act like they think for themselves. Walt Mossberg quit Facebook. Whoopee. For how long? Until the scandal blows over? And how is it, Walt, that you didn't know they were corrupt 5 years ago? After all, the man is a tech journalist. The mainstream media will never let people know what's going on until they already do. It's too disruptive to business interests. So people like Walt Mossberg are not actually acting on their own. They're just riding the fads. A second thing that never seems to get discussed with encryption is that end-to-end requires some planning. You can't just send PGP encryption to your grandmother. She has to know how to decrypt it. While I'm all for curtailing large-scale, random gov't spying, stingrays, NSA contracts, etc, I think the most important thing now is to establish laws to protect privacy. It's hard to make the case that the police shouldn't be able to intercept your text messages when it's not clearly illegal, and a half dozen ad or datamining companies are already doing it with your implicit permission. There's a well written exploration of that here, looking at the issue of legal precedent being established by not prtoecting privacy. And it was written almost 7 years ago: http://wakeforestlawreview.com/2012/...d-privacy-law/ |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On 2018-12-29, Mayayana wrote:
How do you protect people who suck at the nipple of Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Google, and who gladly let those companies run their lives? It's the ultimate control: Their lives are monitored, bought, sold, and manipulated, and they can't even be bothered to understand. You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked into the vortex with them. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
"Roger Blake" wrote
| You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are | always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many | people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience | to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you | made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. | | The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked | into the vortex with them. | Nicely put. But while there's a lot of stupidity and laziness, there's also a lot of innocence. I know many intelligent people who just don't understand what's happening. All the technical jargon leaves them confused and many simply can't imagine that the likes of Google and Facebook would ever be allowed to do what they do. So much of it is invisible. Then there are kids and old people who can't be expected to understand. So we need good laws to protect everyone, not just techies. On top of that is the difficulty in controlling things, even when you know. That's one of the many reasons I don't use a cellphone. A kiosk-style OS on a tracking device, filled with malware, adware and spyware. It would take me a month to master the system, if it can be done. I'm guessing there's probably no direct way to actually control cellphone software. So the whole thing is one big backdoor. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
In article , Mayayana
wrote: On top of that is the difficulty in controlling things, even when you know. That's one of the many reasons I don't use a cellphone. A kiosk-style OS on a tracking device, filled with malware, adware and spyware. It would take me a month to master the system, if it can be done. I'm guessing there's probably no direct way to actually control cellphone software. So the whole thing is one big backdoor. you'd guess wrong. there's actually *more* control on a phone (which is really a pocket computer) for what apps can access than a traditional computer, and it should take maybe 5-10 minutes to configure it as desired. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On 29/12/2018 14:05, Roger Blake wrote:
The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked into the vortex with them. +10001 -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them." |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On 12/29/2018 06:05 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-29, Mayayana wrote: How do you protect people who suck at the nipple of Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Google, and who gladly let those companies run their lives? It's the ultimate control: Their lives are monitored, bought, sold, and manipulated, and they can't even be bothered to understand. You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked into the vortex with them. Current example: the State of California. Carry on... -- Cheers, Bev You need only three tools: WD-40, duct tape and a hammer. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape. If you can't fix it with a hammer you've got an electrical problem. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote
| On 29/12/2018 14:05, Roger Blake wrote: | The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked | into the vortex with them. | | +10001 | Unfortunately, that's also a big part of the reason there's a vortex. Geeks can fend for themselves and dismiss anyone who can't as an idiot. It's not enough to have things like Mozilla prefs and Linux /etc config files. Control of the system needs to work like any other technology, with buttons and adjustments that anyone can use. |
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On 29/12/2018 14:19, Mayayana wrote:
"Roger Blake" wrote | You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are | always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many | people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience | to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you | made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. | | The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked | into the vortex with them. | Nicely put. But while there's a lot of stupidity and laziness, there's also a lot of innocence. I know many intelligent people who just don't understand what's happening. All the technical jargon leaves them confused and many simply can't imagine that the likes of Google and Facebook would ever be allowed to do what they do. So much of it is invisible. Then there are kids and old people who can't be expected to understand. So we need good laws to protect everyone, not just techies. On top of that is the difficulty in controlling things, even when you know. That's one of the many reasons I don't use a cellphone. A kiosk-style OS on a tracking device, filled with malware, adware and spyware. It would take me a month to master the system, if it can be done. I'm guessing there's probably no direct way to actually control cellphone software. So the whole thing is one big backdoor. You, Mayayana, are using the Internet. Ergo, you have no privacy. NONE! -- David B. Blog comments:- https://vxer.home.blog/2018/12/08/vx...file/#comments |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
"Roger Blake" wrote
You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked into the vortex with them. Nicely put. But while there's a lot of stupidity and laziness, there's also a lot of innocence. I know many intelligent people who just don't understand what's happening. All the technical jargon leaves them confused and many simply can't imagine that the likes of Google and Facebook would ever be allowed to do what they do. So much of it is invisible. Then there are kids and old people who can't be expected to understand. So we need good laws to protect everyone, not just techies. On top of that is the difficulty in controlling things, even when you know. That's one of the many reasons I don't use a cellphone. A kiosk-style OS on a tracking device, filled with malware, adware and spyware. It would take me a month to master the system, if it can be done. I'm guessing there's probably no direct way to actually control cellphone software. So the whole thing is one big backdoor. Use a burner phone. I have two, one for general use and the other for privacy. The private one is only turned on after I am contacted via the general use one with sms messages that comes through an encryption system, and then only after the general use has been turned off for a while. Then I can communicate using the private phone using encryption again. This kind of security might not be necessary for most, but I am being sought as a witness and have chosen to not be dragged into the case. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
In article , Mayayana
wrote: On top of that is the difficulty in controlling things, even when you know. That's one of the many reasons I don't use a cellphone. A kiosk-style OS on a tracking device, filled with malware, adware and spyware. It would take me a month to master the system, if it can be done. I'm guessing there's probably no direct way to actually control cellphone software. So the whole thing is one big backdoor. you'd guess wrong. there's actually *more* control on a phone (which is really a pocket computer) for what apps can access than a traditional computer, and it should take maybe 5-10 minutes to configure it as desired. There is a very good android firewall that can be set to block every app from using the phone and/or wifi. You can be selective. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On 12/29/2018 06:05 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-29, Mayayana wrote: How do you protect people who suck at the nipple of Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Google, and who gladly let those companies run their lives? It's the ultimate control: Their lives are monitored, bought, sold, and manipulated, and they can't even be bothered to understand. You don't protect them. Stupid, easily manipulated people are always going to be their own worst enemies. For all too many people their lives are ruled by entertainment and convenience to the exclusion of all other considerations. The phrase "you made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. The problem is how to protect the rest of us from being sucked into the vortex with them. Current example: the State of California. Carry on... Don't forget Australia. As bad a China today. |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 20:35:03 -0600, Nomen Nescio wrote:
One argument against banning encryption has not been addressed. I personally think that this is the underlying desire to restrict encryption altogether. A totalitarian state cannot be set up and/or run if people have the ability to communicate privately. People in North Korea can encrypt if they wanted, no? No! |
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Pushing Back Against Backdoors: 2018 Year in Review
"Nomen Nescio" wrote
| There is a very good android firewall that can be set to block every | app from using the phone and/or wifi. You can be selective. I simply don't believe that. Google controls the system. With iPhones, Apple controls the system. It's like the idea of privacy on Win10, only worse. Once you're locked out of the system it can't be trusted. A sandboxed app can't do anything about controlling the system. Apple spying: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0FV01Q20140726 FBI phone spying: https://web.archive.org/web/20061206...9-6140191.html Google/Android spying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-are-spending/ Those are just samples and don't count all the adware apps caught selling personal data to data companies: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vacy-apps.html And of course there are the frequents "woops" admissions, like Zuck apologizing every 6 months for spyware that he could have sworn was deactivated years ago. And this recent bit about them spying even when location tracking is disabled: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/801463...ing-off-exact/ Most people want location awareness because they don't know how to read a map. Most apps insists they require location awareness and other permissions. Even if I believed the crazy notion that Google doesn't have a direct spy line, there's not much one can do with a cellphone that doesn't enable surveillance. For me it's not a big issue. I have a number of reason not to use a phone: * It's expensive. * It's a tracking collar. * I don't like to be interrupted and don't like the way that phones collapse time and space. Even if I were in a remote cabin, if I were there with a cellphone addict and they could get a signal, suddenly there would be other people traipsing through the cabin. * Even if I had a cellphone I wouldn't turn it on during work, conversations, long walks, driving, etc. So there wouldn't be much point. I'm not the fire dept. If people want to reach me they can leave a message on my landline and I'll call back when I get home. I have a Tracphone that I leave turned off and only turn it on when needed. It's like a portable phone booth. But I probably use it about once per month. I have over 2,000 minutes saved with no use for them. I also know how to read a map, don't need Waze, have no interest in mob-based restaurant reviews, and have no reason to use Uber/Lyft. I don't listen to music, so I don't need earbuds and music. I'm not curious about counting my footsteps or being told my heart rate. That about covers it. Sometimes I want to have a flashlight, but I keep one in my truck, and it cost $5, not $1,000. I guess the Tracphone is a "burner phone", insofar as I don't have my name connected with it. But unlike you I'm not trying to avoid anyone. I just don't want to be tracked by every sleazeball and his brothers, Eric Schmidt, Timmy Cook, Bezos, Zuck and Cheryl. But despite all that, I'm concerned about the growing incivility. People shouldn't need to be tech-aware to have basic privacy. The sleaze needs to be stopped, legally. The general public is not going to install firewalls on phones and the tech literati should know better than to trust them. Today I was in Whole Foods and a young man next to me was buying yams. Only yams. There was no Amazon Prime special on the yams. But the young man *wanted* to log in his Prime ID. Apparently he felt naked just buying groceries without Bezos to log the act. Sheesh. |
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