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On 10/22/2010 11:42, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 16:07, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.






Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.

Ed


Exactly the point we have be trying to make!

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:42:16 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

On 22/10/2010 16:07, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.






Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.

That looks like a list of programs to be avoided. CCleaner is good at
cleaning other things up, but I wouldn't let it loose on a Registry.

I doubt if there are other general purpose programs (other than
so-called Registry programs, I mean) that happen to read the entire
Registry. The usual case simply specifies a single key to be read,
rather than reading the whole thing and parsing the results.

On 22/10/2010 02:09, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:


This brings back memories of similar wars on the Windows XP newsgroups.

I think it's really a religious argument. Registry cleaners are snake
oil, yet people keep using them because it gives them the illusion of
doing something.

It's not unlike prayer, really.




A very apt analogy.





I have a quote for you to add to your sig. list.

"After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must
wash my hands".
(Friedrich Nietzsche)

Ed

On 18/10/2010 5:09 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Has anybody run this yet on W7?

Ed

Seems similar to CCleaner, only without all of the safety options of
disabling certain things from being scanned.

Yousuf Khan

Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 17:42, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 16:07, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.






Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.

Ed


And, of course, Registry Defrag;
http://tinyurl.com/3axvkpw

Ed





Well, since the only programs you can identify are all useless snake
oil products that shouldn't be used, anyway, I don't think we need be
very concerned, do we?




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Bruce Chambers wrote:

It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've tested the most
recent recent version (with all updates) version on a brand-new OS
installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
"find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)



You are a ****ing stupid *******. A brand new OS installations
will always contain "orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files" because Microsoft, in its wisdom
likes to register each and every program a system runs in its
registry. This includes all CAB files that are used to install
your OS and are deleted when the installation is complete.

You must learn to pay special attention to your screen when you
are installing the OS because it will tell you what exactly is
happening at the time of installation.

To test this theory, I suggest download Windows Defender update,
store it on your USB drive, Install it on your system, delete the
downloaded file from your USB device, run CCleaner and voila! It
will tell you "mpas-fe.exe" not found on E:\myusb\

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:19:51 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Other than programs designed to operate on the Registry, which would
these be? (Even Regedit doesn't read the whole registry; it opens
particular keys as you expand them.) The only example I can think of
would be a backup utility, and of course that's not reading the
registry as a registry, simply as a couple of files to be backed up.

Windows API provides calls to read or write a particular Registry
key, and I find it *extremely* difficult to believe there is any sort
of application program that bypasses that and reads the entire
Registry.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:52:41 +0100, Dave-UK wrote:
I do not like having orphaned registry entries in my registry.

Why? That is the question: *why* do you not like it. What
*specific* harm does it do?



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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On 23/10/2010 21:27, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 17:42, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 16:07, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.






Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.

Ed


And, of course, Registry Defrag;
http://tinyurl.com/3axvkpw

Ed





Well, since the only programs you can identify are all useless snake oil
products that shouldn't be used, anyway, I don't think we need be very
concerned, do we?





Windows loads the registry at boot time.
Spybot Search and Destroy reads the whole thing.

Ed

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:41:10 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:
Windows loads the registry at boot time.

Believe that, if it comforts you.

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:41:10 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

On 23/10/2010 21:27, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 17:42, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/10/2010 16:07, Bruce Chambers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

Some programs operate by reading the whole registry.


Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.






Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.

Ed


And, of course, Registry Defrag;
http://tinyurl.com/3axvkpw

Ed





Well, since the only programs you can identify are all useless snake oil
products that shouldn't be used, anyway, I don't think we need be very
concerned, do we?





Windows loads the registry at boot time.
Spybot Search and Destroy reads the whole thing.

Ed

Tip: you're in a hole. Stop digging. ;-)

On 10/22/2010 5:06 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:13:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 19:09:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote:

Stan Brown wrote:


This brings back memories of similar wars on the Windows XP
newsgroups.

I think it's really a religious argument. Registry cleaners are
snake oil, yet people keep using them because it gives them the
illusion of doing something.

It's not unlike prayer, really.

A very apt analogy.

Amen to that.

LOL!


And in Billy Gates, his 'Big Daddy' lawyer, and the Holy Spooky dood
Steve Ballmer, we *pay*....

--
-MFB